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Hi Chimera and welcome to the discussion. You are correct about the key being on repentance. One question though, when you say the channel was the Aposles, I assume you mean in Acts. right? What would be the "channel" if any today do you think?

Hi dldeskins, good question I had not seen that part of his post before. However, i have asked a questio of him a long time ago regarding another post in this thread, but he has never answered. I am not sure, but he have left the thread because he certainly does not seem interested in talking...

So when Jesus taught his disciples to pray the His great Preistly prayer, he taught them to pray in an inferior non-spiritual way?

Excellend example of the hubris mentioned in another post. So unless I speak in tongues, I am walking in darkness? But let's move on.... agreed [i] agreed agreed. I think we can all agree that there is such a thing as the gift of tongues, and that this gift may be used for praying to God...

This rests at the core of the sin Paul tries to speak against in the Corinthian church. They had this pride of speaking in tongues and did not recognize how this one gifting of God was only part of His plan. They had a gift, but they did not have the greatest gift of love when they used it.

Tell you the truth, I think it becomes a scary topic when people impose upon the Scripture their own personal desires or human tradition. Some of the confusion comes from a basic miunderstanding of what the Gift of tongues is and what praying in tongues is. Regarding the question of praying...

Two questions then. First, on what basis do YOU get to decide what elements of this pattern are meant to be normative? Second, then I guess you would repudiate a good portion of Pentecostal history and MANY denominations that teach the necessaity of Apostolic authority via the laying on of hands?

Hi goldenstreets, I just came on-line here a short time ago, but saw your post. Scripture is clear that BHS if for today, it is for every Christian, and every Christian is united to Christ by the BHS who is the seal and hope of our salvation. As to gifts, as long as the Gift of God (the HS)...

Good question Andrew, but lsince you cite this as your pattern for BHS, et me ask another. If this is the pattern for the church. What is the name of the Apostle who laid hands on you to receive the BHS? After all, if that is the pattern, then we must have apostles to lay on hands? Also, do you...

Wow, so let me get this straight. Unless a person prays in tongues, then they are not praying under the direction of the Holy Spirit? Wow!!! Can you show me a Scripture which says that we must all pray in tongues?

Well, the name says it all www.SpiritBaptism.Com. Our site is all about the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of Christians and how the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and the blessings he bring are for all Christians! My vision is to restore the unity of the Body under the One Lord, One Faith and...

Hi Redgoddess, Thanks for welcoming me to the board. Interesting handle. what does it mean?

Ok, I was just having a bit of fun, but there is a serious side to my jest. When one says "speaking in tongues" do they mean like in Acts 2 where it was a known language for the sake of evangelism or just shouting out some words in a service? There is a big difference you know. And not...

Hi all and thanks for the kind words. I hope to run into you all in my travels here on the forums! God bless,

I find it very telling that you can not distinguish between Orthodox Christianity and Oneness Pentecostalism. [/i] There is One Holy Spirit who is IN all Christians. It is not I who denies this truth.

Andrew you first said

What I am saying is that we worship 1 God in 3 persons; Father, Son, and Spirit. There is only 1 spirit. So yes the Spirit of Jesus means the Holy Spirit. Do you think in Christian theology that the Son has one Spirit and the Father has another Spirit, or is there only one Holy Spirit of God? [/i]

Hi Lee, here is the simple answer and I well let God speak for Himself on this one!

Regarding the historical/biblical connection between Tongues and Pentecostal BHS Andrew wrote: Andrew, what you fail to recognize is that first those within the Weslyan Holiness movement, modern Charistmatics, and many modern Pentecostals do not make any direct connection between BHS and...

didaskalos, you made this same statement in another line of conversation (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=1152635#post1152635) and maybe it is easier to answer this all in one place, but how many members of the Trinity do you suppose there are? So far it seems you are up to four?