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Hello! One example as we can see in many countries today. A high abortion rate leads to an unsustainable population pyramid, causing the government to seek unchecked mass immigration, many coming from countries who do not share the host country's culture, values or even language. Regards.
Well there you go, you want to control and cancel other peoples words, narratives and language because you don't like it rather than what those words mean or represent. That only supports what I am saying.
So pictures about Sodom and Gomorrah are to blame for the decline in Christianity? Even though for thousands of years that story was told?
Another logical fallacy created without dealing in the content. Are you denying the 'Long March through the Institutions' a well acknowledged movement in restructuring academia and our institutions.
The full story is even more interesting if you look into it. The pledge is the work of fascists, socialists, racists, nationalists, atheists, Christians, self-promoting opportunists, a cross section of who we really are as a people. Generally, I only mention that the pledge was written by a socialist because it annoys conservatives who like to think of it as a pious loyalty oath to Christian Nationalism. It's much better than that. When you consider who was involved in creating it, it becomes an authentic American statement.
Acknowledged by who? The "Long march through the Institutions" is the long dead idea of a long dead B team German radical of the 60s.
What would be the point? There is no content which supports your assertions.
On the claim you made this time "psycho-social whatever" you didn't bother explaining what you mean and we didn't even get to the evidence stage.
Yes, I know it is tedious talking to the people who haven't obsessed on the same things you have and don't know your obscure references.
Do I need to explain it to you? In this day and age, I shouldn't have to, Hans.
When you make a reference and someone doesn't get it, sometimes they ask for clarification, you could give it. I don't need everything explained to me, but I comprehend nothing of a claim if the connections within make no sense. I've read plenty of history and the psychosocial consequences of WW 1 (!?!) and 2, unspecified human rights issues, and the more recent decline of society just does not emerge from anything I've read.
I would wonder if your reference and linguistic choices were made to make you look more learned, but I have read this post.
Any attempts quickly end in dead ends after basic terminology because your connections between them are unstated or unobvious, or yes, obscure.
If I want to know what you are thinking the only thing I can dissect is you and you keep squirming around too much to pin you down.
Yet you don't point out or give any rational for making this claim. It seems a personal opinion rather than anything else and considering your using that subjective determination to reject other diverse beliefs and views without any rational this is itself lacking tolerance of diverse beliefs and views.
This is probably a good example of how 'Words, language and certain narratives' are the weapons of ideologues who push their assumptions and beliefs about equality and diversity. No where in what I said meant or implied Australia was some anti racist nation. That is you, all you making it into that and that is exactly identity politics.
Actually I think it was the race wars had come first in the 60's and then I think maybe the sexual revolution and then the womens movement. But it was a time of revolution around race and sex as in how sex was understood back then as also being gender.
You are not seeing the ideological mindset behind this. The same ideological thinking is applied to all identities whether race, sex or gender or any other subjectively and socially determined and constructed identity. They become real identities and the only measure of what is real in the world.
Yes but its not about there being gays and trans but about the ideology that has been cultivated around this and imposed on society. Australia has a long history of gay, lesbian and trans. We have the gay capital of the world in Darlinghurst Kings Cross. We are famous for our Drag Queens, the movie 'Precilla Queen of the Desert' is an iconic Aussies movie thats won international acclaim.
No I only class what is rightly called an ideology based on well established science and the ideology has been exposed an number of times by academia. I can show you the evidence if you want. Just like Creationism was exposed as a belief and not science so has the ideology.
I am not sure what your referring to but its a well known fact that the idea of the 'Long March through the Institutions' is an idea based on socially re-engineering society from the inside rather than physically protesting against the institutions. It was a change in mindset taken by the academic activists to subvert the system rather than physically tear it down.
I said its like a religion, its an ideological belief. Whats the difference, both are based on belief and not the facts. Once again the links I provided mentions this.
I think you misread. It is your attitudes I am worried about. Your statements seem to imply things I don't think are true.
Are you confusing general history with American history? (Also, "race war" still not a good choice of words.)
No. Sex is and was a biological property. It is not a social construct. Gender has arisen as the label for the social and psychological aspects related to sex, but that was more than 15 years ago. (No matter how recently you or I learned of it.)
The institutions you are referring to are scientific research, not "engineering".
Which is probably why so many ignore the actual research on gender identity and sexuality.
Race isn't biological. It is a social construct around superficial biological characteristics. It was invented in colonial America to justify the subjugation of groups of people. Sex is NOT a social construct. And gender (as we have just covered) is how sex and society interact with the psychology and identity of individuals.
The only "ideology" on these things that are widely adopted is the "ideology" that those people exist and are just regular people.
The Manhattan Institute is not some scholarly organization, they are a propaganda mill. They dress themselves up with the cloak of scholarly study, but they are still just propagandists. MI was at the heart of "redefining" CRT into something taught in schools, then redefining "woke" to the way you are using it now. MI is at the heart of the RW war on the culture. Other key players are the Claremont Institute and Hillsdale College. MI is *NOT* a credible source on "CRT/Woke/DEI", they are propagandists.
Some first-name only rando blog poster? Seriously?
It never is a good look, while pressing forward a religious view, to characterize something you don't like as "like a religion" as a means to put it down.
I would beg to disagree about religion, but that is not the topic here. (or is it, the topic gets lost in the trees)
The longer your posts the more likely I am to skip parts or most of them. Especially long blocks of quoted text.
Yes, the Long March is not just the long dead idea of a long dead B-list German radical, it's a sinister presence in our lives today. And you can prove that it's a sinister presence in our lives today it with a Wikipedia article about it written in the past tense.Yet you don't point out or give any rational for making this claim. It seems a personal opinion rather than anything else and considering your using that subjective determination to reject other diverse beliefs and views without any rational this is itself lacking tolerance of diverse beliefs and views.
Diversity doesn't mean just allowing any belief or view. If those beliefs and views go against the dominant cultures norms and can be shown to be destructive and undermining then it is not only fair to point this out its also negligent not to do so.
This is probably a good example of how 'Words, language and certain narratives' are the weapons of ideologues who push their assumptions and beliefs about equality and diversity. No where in what I said meant or implied Australia was some anti racist nation. That is you, all you making it into that and that is exactly identity politics.
The idea that immigrants became more like the dominant nation they are integrating into is basic fact. It is becoming more like the dominant culture in values, democracy and the belief in the freedoms is what creates the equal society is what allows different races and ethnic groups to unite..
Actually I think it was the race wars had come first in the 60's and then I think maybe the sexual revolution and then the womens movement. But it was a time of revolution around race and sex as in how sex was understood back then as also being gender.
Trans and gender ideology came later as a spin off from 2nd and 3rd wave feminist theory with was based on the Critical theories and social constructionism theory. It was a natural evolution. If male and female gender was a social construct then it was a spectrum. This morphed into Trans and Gender ideology.
The classical pivotable point that represented the ideological thinking I think was around about 15 years ago when the consensus was sex was innate and biological and gender a social construct. Now sex is a social construct and gender is the reality.
That determination is a good representation of how thought has been engineered within the institutions where we can trace the reconstruction of reality from gender being innate and tied to biological sex, then gender being a complete social construct to gender being the factual reality and biological sex being the social construct.
We can apply this ideological thinking to how ideologes see the world regarding race, sex and gender and a growing list on new socially constructed and subjective identities being made into realities that trump objective reality. This has coincided with the subversion of the institutions where in academia the hard sciences are second to DEI ideology. Objective facts are not the friends of ideologues.
Once again the links I provided explain this but you refuse to read them and therefore will continue to misunderstand.
You are not seeing the ideological mindset behind this. The same ideological thinking is applied to all identities whether race, sex or gender or any other subjectively and socially determined and constructed identity. They become real identities and the only measure of what is real in the world.
Yes but its not about there being gays and trans but about the ideology that has been cultivated around this and imposed on society. Australia has a long history of gay, lesbian and trans. We have the gay capital of the world in Darlinghurst Kings Cross. We are famous for our Drag Queens, the movie 'Precilla Queen of the Desert' is an iconic Aussies movie thats won international acclaim.
No one has a problem with people being gay, lesbian or trans. Its the ideology that has been created from this thats the problem. Trying to force a particular belief and way of thinking onto mainstream society and forcing those who don't agree or believe the same to take on the ideology through laws, policies and norms, well not even norms but belief.
No I only class what is rightly called an ideology based on well established science and the ideology has been exposed an number of times by academia. I can show you the evidence if you want. Just like Creationism was exposed as a belief and not science so has the ideology.
I gave you links that explained how society has been socially engineered though the institutions. First through universities which is still happening today and then into all institutions and the wider community. If you would have read them then you would understand I have already mentioned this long ago in this thread. I suggest you start doing some reading on this.
The article you seemed to ignore by creating a logical fallacy over the other article from the Manhatten Institute exlained all this comprehensively. So perhaps rather than engage in fallacies you could actually learn something on this. It is quite an interesting read.
I am not sure what your referring to but its a well known fact that the idea of the 'Long March through the Institutions' is an idea based on socially re-engineering society from the inside rather than physically protesting against the institutions. It was a change in mindset taken by the academic activists to subvert the system rather than physically tear it down.
That has morphed into ideas like DEI and identity politics. You will notice the common and often idea that is put forward by ideologues that they system is inherently racist, gender normative, colonialist, white, male, capitalism ect ect ect that needs to be reconstructed into a more DEI uptopia. Fundementally it is based on Marxism except now cultural Marxism. These are well founded facts.
The links you rejected to read would have explained this. Here is another that says the same.
Critical Theory then went underground into the universities, in that whole long march through the institutions project, starting in the early 1970s, working its way first into feminist and then other forms of critique, mostly in English departments, under headings like women’s studies, gender studies, African American studies, and ethnic studies. These went on to establish and grow those various “studies” departments and thus started the long process of idea-laundering identity-based Critical Theories within our academic presses, universities, and their classrooms.
Bell Hooks’ thought was particularly influential in the development of critical race Theory as well as in bringing black feminist and critical race Theory perspectives into the critical turn in education, and she was explicitly liberationist (neo-Marxist) and very experimental in the relevance of postmodern Theory to her thought, activism, and teaching. The ascendancy of a postmodernist critical race Theory and queer Theory from within specific sects of black feminism and gender studies, in particular, is central to the fusion of neo-Marxism and postmodernism that forms one of the key observations and claims of Cynical Theories.
That reification of systemic oppression, as understood through its lived experience (the one thing the deconstructionists said would be left when everything else is deconstructed), created a neat package by which postmodern Theory could be simplified and packaged up for activists.
The Complex Relationship between Marxism and Wokeness
The Destructive Impact of Identity Politics and Cancel Culture on Society
This political agenda comes from the aforementioned and long-standing line of radical thought called “Critical Theory” which designates several generations of German philosophers and social theorists in the Western European Marxist tradition known as the Frankfurt School.
In the last 10–15 years, “Critical Theory” has morphed into “Critical Social Justice” (a.k.a. “Wokeness”). It represents the maturation of what the Critical Theorists have called “the long march through the institutions”..
Both Antonio Gramsci and Rudi Dutschke argued that radical social change in highly developed societies would be the result of long, patient organizing inside and outside of key institutions, and not simply or primarily a quick, frontal assault through mass actions. Installing DIE in your workplace is facilitating the late — and, if they are successful, final — stage of the “long march.”
https://medium.com/@arkhanguelski/the-destructive-effects-of-identity-politics-and-cancel-culture-on-society-3354194e1ef8
When they say "long, patient organizing inside and outside of key institutions" they actually mean reorganising, re-engineering the institutions.
I mean even Wiki acknowledges this.
Long march through the institutions
The long march includes the concerted effort to build up counterinstitutions. They have long been an aim of the movement. Roger Kimball wrote that it was by these means of "insinuation and infiltration" that the countercultural ideals of Herbert Marcuse gained influence.[2] Helmut Schelsky wrote that the long march was part of a strategy towards "the conquest of the system" (German: Systemüberwindung) through efforts to discredit the values and processes of constitutional democracy.
Long march through the institutions - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I said its like a religion, its an ideological belief. Whats the difference, both are based on belief and not the facts. Once again the links I provided mentions this.
“Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity” (DIE) has become an insidious religion on university campuses, and within increasingly more corporations and other types of organizations. The problem with DIE is that it’s informed by an ideology with no scientific evidence.
https://medium.com/@arkhanguelski/the-destructive-effects-of-identity-politics-and-cancel-culture-on-society-3354194e1ef8
Heres some more explaining how Woke or PC, Cancel Culture, Critical Social Justice, Identity politics, DEI whatever you want to call it is like a religion and applied with religious fervour.
Seven Elements that Make Third-Wave Antiracism a Religion
In Woke Racism: How a New Religion Has Betrayed Black America1, Professor John McWhorter (who is Black) argues that DEI—diversity, equity, and inclusion—and the Third-Wave Antiracist movement that has swept across much of America is “a religion in all but name.”
Is Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion a Religion?
So plenty of well informed people think that Woke or whatever you want to call it is like a religion. Has all the hallmarks of a religion. The shaming, the ostracising and cancelling like the church did. Those who disagree with the ideology are classed as heretics, trouble makers and haters. Ideologues speak in moral terms, virtue and sinners. Its a modern religion in the guise of Social Justice.
It m,akes sense as religions never have an an outwardly evil basis. Its always about saving your soul, saving society, in the name of equality and fairness ect. The same logic is used to slip in the agenda.
Unfortunately the posts get long because you don't read the links so I have to lay it all out for you. If you did then instead of me wasting time doing this you could have been dealing with the content of the articles as you would have then understood them and been able to challenge them. But we havn't even been able to get that far yet.
