Free Grace vs. Hyper-grace

I don’t see any major difference here morally speaking. Both Free Grace and Hyper-Grace are turning God’s grace into a license for immorality (See: Jude 1:4).

Cockcrow said:

Jude 1:4 “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”

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Jude is exhorting believers to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints (vs. 3) because certain ungodly men have crept in unnoticed. Jude further describes these ungodly men as ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. (vs. 19) It's these ungodly men (make believers) who turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness in CONTRAST with the saints who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ. (vs. 1) In Psalm 37:28, we read - For the Lord loves justice, and does not forsake His saints; They are PRESERVED forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.

Jesus said you will know them by their fruits.

Also, what does the phrase, "turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness," actually mean?

Webster defines lasciviousness as:


Your Dictionary defines lascivious as:


While Modern Bibles are not always correct, I believe some Modern Bibles help in this instance to capture the idea here.

The Berean Standard Bible says,


If one believes they can sin and still be saved and yet God is telling them they should live righteously or they will ONLY be chastened here on this Earth with no consequence to their soul in the afterlife, it is not taking sin all that seriously, and its consequences. The wages of sin is death according to the apostle Paul.

Imagine if a believer murders, sleeps around with tons of women, gets drunk, and does other kinds of horrible evils. Say they believe that they are against Hyper-Grace and they believe in the chastening of God. Are they really just going to lose rewards? Are they not also turning God's grace into lustfulness? Are they not abusing God's grace into thinking they can do all kinds of sins and yet they are still saved? They may even say they may strive at times to do good, but it does not really matter if they are doing evil and thinking they are saved by a belief alone in Jesus. They are turning God's grace into a license for immorality. They are part of the group of ungodly men! They are ungodly because of their wrong conduct and in the fact that they abuse God's grace on some level. Remember, it only took one sin for the fall to happen. If you justify even just one sin of lying and you believe you are saved by a belief alone in Jesus despite your lying, you are going straight to hell because you are turning God's grace into a license for immorality. You are not asking forgiveness of this sin believing that this sin can lead to death. You believe Jesus paid it all, and so you turn His grace into a license to sin or lustfulness on some level.

God's people are characterized by upholding a standard of morality or goodness because we reflect the same attitude God has about sin. To say we can sin and still be saved means God would have to agree with that line of thinking, too. But God does not condone sin. Jesus never condoned or justified sin. Paul says we have the mind of Christ. Do you really have the mind of Christ?

This is why Belief Alone Salvationism is a scam. The moment you say that Jesus paid for all your future sin because you have a belief alone on Him as your Savior is the moment you begin to turn His grace into lustfulness or into a license for immorality. Titus 2:11-12 says God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world. Oh, but not in the OSAS world. Not in the Belief Alone Camp. They say, "We all sin" and they wave 1 John 1:8 as if it was some kind of justiification to sin or in the fact that they are slaves to sin.

Matthe 13:41-42 says that the Son of Man will send forth His angels and they will gather out of HIS KINGDOM all who do iniquity and they will be cast into the furnace of fire. So those believers who thought they can do iniquity and be saved are going to be cast out by Jesus' angels.
Jesus has to do this before He gives His kingdom back to God the Father.
Also see John 8:34-35. The servant of sin will not abide in the house forever (i.e., they will not abide in the house of Christ forever).
In addition, Romans 6:16 says, "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

Think. 1 John 3:4 says the breaking of the command or Law is sin.
What was one of the first lies of the devil?
He desired Eve to think she could break God’s command and not die.
But that is exactly what happened.
Today, this same lie is being pushed today.
So this is why we as believers are told to strive to enter the narrow gate.
But if you think you can sin and still be saved, what kind of narrow gate or path are you even on?
In context, tne narrow gate mentioned in Scripture is in view of false believers who Jesus cast out because they worked iniquity.
Are you working iniquity because you believe Jesus is your proxy?
While Jesus can forgive our sins, there is only mercy if we confess and forsake our sins (See: Proverbs 28:13).

No. Jude 1:4 is referring to both Hyper Grace, and Free Grace believers.
They both wrongfully believe they can sin and still be saved on some level (which is turning God's grace into a license for immorality).
The Free Grace believer holds to the view that they will only get a slap on the wrist in this life by chastisement, and or lose rewards at the Judgment. But they also believe you can do evil while ignoring the true consequences of sin as taught in Scripture in the fact that sin leads to spiritual death. Note: Chastisement is only for those believers who do not have a sin and still be saved mindset. The true consequences of sin is destruction in the Lake of Fire for even the believer unless they confess and forsake their sin.
Anyway, the reality is that both the Free Grace, and Hyper Grace believer are not going to make it into the Kingdom with their current kind of attitude towards sin (unless they repent) because they are going against tons of verses in Scripture on the true consequences of sin, and basic morality. Believers have to confess and forsake sin in order to have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).

Here is the Bible's teaching on...

Serious Sin Can Separate Us From GOD Verses:

[God said to Adam,]
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17).

[Eve said to the serpent,]
"But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Genesis 3:3).

And the serpent said unto the woman,
"Ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4).

"...she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked..." (Genesis 3:6-7).

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." (Romans 5:12).

"For the wages of sin is death..." (Romans 6:23).

"But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear." (Isaiah 59:2).

“...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” (Matthew 5:22).

28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” (Matthew 5:28-30).

"But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul." (Proverbs 6:32).

“But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Matthew 6:15).

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21)

Important Note: If you were to look at 1 Thessalonians 4:3 you would learn that the will of God (i.e. the Father) is to be holy or it is our sanctification; And Hebrews 12:14 says, without holiness no man shall see the Lord.

“22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” (Matthew 7:22-23 ESV).

“26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.”
(Matthew 7:26-27).

“15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:15-20).

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26).

"he that commits sin is of the devil." (1 John 3:8).

"everyone who does evil hates the light." (John 3:20).

"Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee." (Acts of the Apostles 8:22).

6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:6-7).

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).

"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15).

"He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now." (1 John 2:9).

"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:10).

41 "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,
42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear." (Matthew 13:41-43 ESV).

“For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” (Matthew 12:37).

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing,..." (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble."
(James 4:6).

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21-22).

16 "There is a sin unto death..."
17 "...and there is a sin not unto death." (1 John 5:16-17).

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8).

19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21).

5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affe
ction, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them." (Colossians 3:5-7).

5 “...God;
6 ...will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law” (Romans 2:5-12).

“But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.” (Ezekiel 18:24).

9 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. “ (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2:17).

"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 25:30).

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).

Also, why would God chastise you to do good and not sin if such things are not a part of keeping you from slipping out of the Kingdom of God? If one believes they can sin and still be saved, chastisement, and or loss of rewards (they never seen) is not a sufficient motivation to stop sinning. A believer will always justify the idea they can sin and still be saved on some level with this kind of thinking and it can lead others to go down the road of darkness, as well. Imagine if you teach a child this garbage. They will turn God's grace into a license to sin and they will not care about chastisement or a loss of rewards. Chastisement? We can be persecuted for our faith. Loss of rewards? They never even got to see them. But again, the real problem here is that the Bible teaches we will be cast into the furnace of fire if we think we can sin and still be saved. The real narrow gate or path is to confess and forsake sin and to seek to overcome it (believing that sin can destroy your soul). Why would Satan even bother with trying to sift believers if he knew they were forever locked in and saved by a belief alone in Jesus?

Chastisement is a warning only to the Conditional Salvationist Believer letting them know that they need to get back on track otherwise they are in danger of hellfire. Just look at the context of Matthew 7:14. It is talking in context to false believers and not unbelievers, pagans, etcetera. The narrow way is within the scope of professing believers of the Lord. The bad trees are false prophets. The good trees are the saints who know the Lord by not justifying sin.

Sin and still be saved Salvationism believers have basically told me they only break fellowship with the Lord Jesus because of sin, and yet they believe they will still magically enter the Kingdom. Many of them believed this way since they accepted Christ. I believe Jesus will say to them, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:23). In other words, if one believes they can sin and still be saved, they are working iniquity and going against the Bible’s true teaching that sin will lead even the believer to the Lake of Fire.