Florida judge exonerates Miami teacher fired for refusing to use student’s preferred pronouns

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The judge agreed with the plaintiff who expressly stated their religious belief.

Which happened to coincide with the facts.

Some Christians believe that the Earth is flat....some believe it's round.

Some Christians believe God created man and woman....and no third option.

Just because a Christian holds a belief because of their faith doesn't make that belief wrong. All of evolution requires sexual dimorphism in mammals. There's no third option. Facts are facts.
 
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Cavemen understood these things.
By all means, let's limit everything we do to what a caveman can understand. Talk about a conservative utopia.

-- A2SG, "what is big yellow thing in sky? Throw rocks at it until it go away...."
 
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I would suggest to anyone defending the new gender ideology to consider why you are doing so....

Is it because you've taken a very close look at the issue and believe that you have a good understanding of it and genuinely believe that you're supporting smart, helpful decisions and policies that benefit society?

Or perhaps you've got a surface level understanding of the issues, have given it little to no thought, and you're merely repeating rhetorical and political arguments in favor of something you don't really understand....because you believe it's the morally empathetic/good thing to do, or even just because your peer group's political leanings support this so you do as well...

I think it's only fair to warn you that the tide is slowly turning on this stuff...and not so much because of Christian teachers...but from former members of the lgbtq activists, former trans activists, members of the gay and trans community generally who didn't consider themselves activists, doctors and scientists who are more concerned about the health and safety of children (and adults) than being labeled bigots in their colleagues eyes, and of course....parents and family members of those hurt by this cultish activist community. There are a few independent journalists giving other journalists courage to confront this as well.

The picture they are painting of the radical trans activists is increasingly horrific. They sound more like a cultish group of incels than a group of genuinely oppressed minorities seeking equal rights. They sound delusional, bigoted, obsessive, completely unethical in regards to either healthcare or activism. It's a bad situation that as more speak up....only appears worse, it rarely really appears to be something built on understanding, healthcare, or even empathy.

So if you think you may generally be in that second category of people (here's a hint, did you know what a terf was before the news told you? Is JK Rowling getting labeled a terf online maybe the first time you heard of the term? How about the term "truescum" or "true-scum"? Do you know who that refers to or would you need to look it up? If you answered yes to the terf question and no to the truescum question....you're almost certainly in the second group).

I would suggest that you look into the issue a little more if you're in the second group. I'm not saying who to vote for, I'm not saying that you're moral or immoral nor will I tell you the correct way to deal with any trans people in real life. I'm simply saying there are an increasing number of people who were trans activists/medical experts/gender cultists....or knew them closely....and they're willing to give insider accounts of what these people believe, their goals, and their methods....and it's not a pretty picture. I have no problem saying that I would deny any requests/demands of trans activists on principle alone....not so much because I disagree with their beliefs, but their goals are delusional and harmful and activist methods are completely unethical/immoral imo.

This doesn't have to play out like Black Lives Matter did...you don't have to wait and see if the people claiming to want to help others are in it for the money. It doesn't have to go the same way as the children's books filled with graphic sexual images and dangerous "advice"....where you learn you were wrong when they can't even show the pages of the books on the evening news. You don't have to wait until ten million people flood across the border, squat in people's homes, drain the economic resources of the poor, and complain about not getting enough help to find out you were wrong about the southern border having an illegal immigration crisis.

Let's not wait until a generation of 20-30 year old people (mostly women probably) are killing themselves in record numbers because of what was done to them as children or teens before looking into this more carefully and figuring out who is correct here.
 
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By all means, let's limit everything we do to what a caveman can understand. Talk about a conservative utopia.

-- A2SG, "what is big yellow thing in sky? Throw rocks at it until it go away...."

You're using the word "limit" wrong.

Adopting a caveman's view on this issue would be a degree of understanding you currently lack.
 
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You're using the word "limit" wrong.

Adopting a caveman's view on this issue would be a degree of understanding you currently lack.
I think you'll find your understanding of what I understand is what's lacking.

-- A2SG, but, by all means, continue to assume whatever you wish to assume....
 
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I think you'll find your understanding of what I understand is what's lacking.

We've been over this...I know what you understand, I know the questions you can't answer, I even know the ones you think you can answer but can't.

Let's not waste each other's time. Unless you've gained some new knowledge since the last thread on this topic....I know where you stand.

So if there's something on the topic that you feel like adding....spit it out already.
 
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We've been over this...I know what you understand, I know the questions you can't answer, I even know the ones you think you can answer but can't.

Let's not waste each other's time. Unless you've gained some new knowledge since the last thread on this topic....I know where you stand.

So if there's something on the topic that you feel like adding....spit it out already.
Fine. Continue to assume whatever you like. Reality remains what it is, regardless.

-- A2SG, and your knowledge of what I think, or what I understand, remains as lacking as it has ever been....
 
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Florida judge exonerates Miami teacher fired for refusing to use student’s preferred pronouns​


The old maxim applies here: You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig.
A person can run around naked on all fours and pee on furniture but just because he 'believes' he is a dog doesn't make it true. It just makes him mentally ill.
 
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Fine. Continue to assume whatever you like. Reality remains what it is, regardless.

-- A2SG, and your knowledge of what I think, or what I understand, remains as lacking as it has ever been....

Nothing to add to the thread then? No comments on the OP topic?
 
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An activist judge imposing his religious beliefs on others. No wonder the right cheers.
No, the one imposing his religious/ideological beliefs on others is the one demanding that others call him a woman if he is a man. One has the right to his beliefs, even if they violate biological or other facts. One does not have the right to impose his beliefs on others.
 
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The part that is affected by strongly dimorphic restrictions on social roles and behavior.

I haven't seen any such restrictions myself but regardless....can you actually tell me what part of gender is "non-biological"? I'm all ears....

But let's limit the answers to real answers....no esoteric riddles, no telling me what it isn't (or in this case "what it's affected by"), no circular answers like "it's whatever someone decides it is" or explanations that only increase the vagueness of whatever it is you're talking about....

We want to move forward with the idea....we want to go from "the non-biological part of gender" to something more specific....not something less specific like "a person's imaginary identity". I shouldn't be able to take your explanation and come up with a dozen examples that fit your explanation but have nothing to do with "the non-biological part of gender".

For example, when someone says that non-binary means "neither male nor female" and I ask...."you mean like my toaster is neither male nor female"?

I'm not coming up with snarky or pithy retorts....I'm genuinely asking because that's a failure of an explanation. Most of the inanimate objects in my house are neither male nor female but I've never met a person who's neither male nor female so it's a pretty bad explanation (unless we're actually talking about my toaster being non-binary).

Now, if you can...please explain what the non-biological parts of gender are. If you can't....I'm fine with you admitting that too.
 
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Nothing to add to the thread then? No comments on the OP topic?
Sure, I'll comment.

If, as Judge Van Laningham decided, transgenderism is to be considered a “new secular faith,” why is this teacher allowed to impose her faith on her transgender students, while they're not afforded the same protection she is? Why is one faith being favored over the other, according to this judge's ruling?

If you want to call transgenderism a "faith," they why aren't you according it the same legal protection other faiths get?

-- A2SG, if you wanna call it a faith, then you gotta treat it like one.....
 
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Sure, I'll comment.

If, as Judge Van Laningham decided, transgenderism is to be considered a “new secular faith,” why is this teacher allowed to impose her faith on her transgender students?

What faith did the teacher impose?

Just because the teacher doesn't agree with the student's faith and refuses to repeat the student's statement of faith doesn't equate to the teacher imposing their own faith on the student.

The student is free to believe whatever they like....right?

The teacher simply isn't required to pretend that they agree with the student's faith.

Of course, maybe something else came to light on this case I'm not aware of?
 
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If you want to call transgenderism a "faith," they why aren't you according it the same legal protection other faiths get?

-- A2SG, if you wanna call it a faith, then you gotta treat it like one.....

I agree...and it appears the school now does exactly that. A student of Jewish faith can request that the teacher refer to him as "gods chosen one" but the teacher isn't obligated to do so and arguably....probably shouldn't as that would be showing favoritism, wouldn't it?


Also, any bans on Christian "conversion therapies" for gay children that exist within any state laws should also apply to transgender-clinics....since they are essentially the same thing with the extra drugs and surgeries.
 
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