US Still Trying to Prolong the Ukraine War...
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Of course not. Completely different power dynamics. That's the whole reason Ukraine needs money and military assistance from everyone else. USA/Nato are not going to funnel billions of dollars worth of equipment into a region and then let that region act against their geopolitical interests. It's just foolishness to suggest otherwise.
And this isn't theory. We know from 2014 what happens when Ukrainians elect a president that the USA finds undesirable.
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He wouldn't have had Ukraine at all if they had come to terms and negotiated. As it stands now Ukraine stands to lose more than it had previously.
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Notice that when then-president Trump tried to Zelensky to help him smear Biden, Zelensky refused. No much of a puppet, um?
You think all those demonstrators were American troops? You can't really be that gullible.
You think they were loans? C'mon. You were trained to do better than this. I get that you don't have much to work with, but you surely realize that it's backfiring on you now.
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Putin has openly stated that he intends to revive the Soviet Empire. Hitler said that Czechoslovakia would be safe if they came to terms and negotiated. How did that work out?
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Huh? The ideological basis of the Soviet Union was that it was atheism. The West referred to them as "godless". Russia now officially promotes Christianity and Orthodox Christianity dominates their culture.
Let me guess, their Christianity is all a big deception right?
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The idiological basis of the Soviet Union was Marxism. Atheism was just part of the package. Russia had always aspired to empire before then.Huh? The ideological basis of the Soviet Union was that it was atheism. The West referred to them as "godless". Russia now officially promotes Christianity and Orthodox Christianity dominates their culture.
Let me guess, their Christianity is all a big deception right?
Russia had been invaded by France and then by Germany using the same splendid invasion corridor through and Ukraine. After WWII, the Soviet Union was determined to control that route to the extent that control of that route has become an existential need for the nation. In Putin's view, allowing that route to be under control of any nation but Russia is a danger to the existence of Russia as a sovereign nation. In his mind, Russia itself is at stake in this war.
Poland and Czechoslovakia are acutely aware of all this, which is why they were quick to join NATO with the fall of the Warsaw Pact.
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A pretty foundational part of the package, and a big selling point for convincing western Christians of why they had to fight off the influence of the Soviet Union. Why should western Christians want to be fighting Russia today? Because they are a threat to open-society style Liberalism?
Not just in Putin's mind, but anyone who has studied history. As you correctly stated, Russia has an existential stake in Ukraine, the same way that the USA has an existential stake in what happens over the border in Mexico. (and we can see how much the regime running the USA cares about American people)
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American politicians spun up the Soviet atheism aspect because the economic aspects of communism appealed to a lot of Americans.
Do you really believe that modern France or Germany plans to invade Russia?
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Not a chance. It would be suicide. The aim is more likely an attempt to cripple Russia economically, e.g. cutting off their access to warm-water ports. Port of Sevastopol - Wikipedia
Imagine for a moment how the US empire might react if there was a revolution in Panama that resulted in a geopolitical alliance with Russia.
Do you believe modern Russia plans to invade Europe?
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The Poles and Czechs know the Russians better than you or I. The Swedes and Finns know them pretty well, too. They all think Russia would invade them.
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It's a battle of Good versus Evil right? The "Free World" vs. Tyranny.
For westerners, this is a religious war. "Sacred" Liberal Democracy versus Evil Empire of Authoritarianism (+ ghost of Hitler.) Putin threatens to pull us back into history when we were so close to finally escaping history.
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And yet Putin (a dedicated Marxist until it became unpopular) described the collapse of the Soviet Empire as a disaster.
And yet Russia persecutes non-orthodox Christians. Putin merely wants to use the Russian Orthodox Church as a tool of his government. As Stalin did.
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Perhaps they don't teach people in Russia what "religious" means.
Ronald Reagan's take on it. Keep in mind, Putin wouldn't be in the mess he's in, if he just didn't invade independent nations,
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Putin's not in a mess as you falsely claim, he will soon be in Kiev and gave control of Ukraine,even the MSM is on full report of Ukraine being out of weapons, ammo, and soldiers
Putin has pulled all the stops out and is annihilating Ukraine, Putin just destroyed Kiev regions largest power plant 1800MW, because Ukraine has no air defense, they are being slaughtered
Wake up and smell the coffee, Zelensky is defeated and weeks away from flying off into exile with $Billions$ of US taxpayer dollars
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Major Russian air strikes destroy Kyiv power plant, damage other stations
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KYIV (Reuters) -Russian missiles and drones destroyed a large electricity plant near Kyiv and hit power facilities in several regions of Ukraine on Thursday, officials said, ramping up pressure on the embattled energy system as Kyiv runs low on air defences.
The major attack more than two years since Russia's full-scale invasion completely destroyed the Trypilska coal-powered thermal power plant near the capital, a senior official at the company that runs the facility told Reuters.
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I notice that Ukraine hasn't had to empty its prisons to put enough troops on the ground. I notice Putin has had to pull old tanks out of museums to make up for the huge losses he's taking in Ukraine. I notice that Russia has had its worst naval defeat at the hands of the Ukrainians since Tshushima straits. The flagship of the Russian Black Sea fleet is now on the bottom of the Black Sea. I notice that Russia is so short of recruits that they've had to increase the draft age to get enough soldiers to keep the war going.
What the use of Russian conscripts tells us about the war in Ukraine
Pushing non-professional soldiers into battle is a sign of desperation.What the use of Russian conscripts tells us about the war in Ukraine
That's what he said over a year. ago. And Russian troops moving toward the capitol retreated back to Russian territory, instead of taking Kyiv. And the U.S. is now sending $300 million in military aid to Ukraine,
Putin wouldn't have resorted to talking about nuclear weapons, if he wasn't desperate.
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