How Old Is The Earth

Ceallaigh said:

I'd say it's more likely that God shaped it to be understood through a near east lense.

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Fisherking said:

No it isn't, my job as a preacher of 40 plus years is to reach everyone, and so I went about studying this in a rudimentary fashion in an effort to reach young kids who understand the universe is not young, but old. I knew the young earthers were in error, its plain to see that we see light from billions of years ago, if the earth was 6000 years old we would not see the stars. So, off I went on my journey.

I wrote this blog below in 2017

I as a 30 plus year Christian try to think outside the box of normality. Is the universe 6000 years old? Is the universe 13.7 billion years old? Do these two questions clash or is there a translation barrier !! This is how I think. I try to bring both poles of thought towards each other starting with the facts. We know the universe has to be over 6000 years old because we see light from stars that are millions of light years away, so we would have to be naive to think the universe is only 6000 years old.

Onward to what Genesis says about creation, does it really say the universe or earth is 6000 years old? I don’t think it does, I think its a mistranslation of a primitive language that had only around 4000 words at the time Genesis was written, whereas the English language today has 500,000 words. So many of the Hebrew words were used in multiple ways. For instance the original meaning of the Hebrew word YOWM (day) means “to be hot” and there are at least 50 other meanings listed in Strong’s concordance’s lexicon of Hebrew words. A year, a month, a period of time, chronicles, evening and morning (Beginning and end), age, perpetually, long, some time, whole, X required season, continually etc. etc., well you get the point.

YOWM or “To be hot”, what would this mean and why was it used since God is supposed to have given Moses the first five books of the Torah. Well when the universe was spoken into existence by God, it took 400 million years for the first stars to form. So the first day (to be hot) was the evening (Darkness, 400 million years of darkness) and the morning ( The stars started forming) and the first day was a “period of time” and in my opinion it lasted from 13.7 billion B.C. until 4.5 billion B.C. (9.2 billion years) when the sun & earth were formed. So lets take a second and look at the Bible and the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) research and see if this matches.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form(not in existence yet), and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Now look below at the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) which launched in 2001 and has won many awards, they mapped the whole universe out with radar. Below, as we see, you had Quantum Fluctuations which I contend is God, then you had Inflation, followed by Afterglow, followed by 400 MILLION YEARS of Darkness !! Just like the bible says in verse 2, and there was Darkness on the Face of the Deep !! Gods word is perfect, it is us who are confused. DARK AGES Mapped out by the WMAP, followed by what? The first stars forming at the 400 million year mark. Verse three says what? and God said “Let there be light” God is right again. We are looking at Creation from Gods POV, no man was there of course and with God he is not subject to time, he created time for us via this universe, but He is eternal and thus was never created. Remember the verse, a thousand years is like a day and a day like unto a thousand years unto God. In other words God lives in the past, present and future all at the same time.

So we had the Big Bang, followed by Inflation, followed by Cosmic Microwave background where after 375,000 years loose electrons cool enough to combine with protons. The universe becomes transparent to light. The Microwave background begins to shine. Then the dark ages/clouds of dark hydrogen gas cool and coalesce.

The first stars appear: Gas Clouds collapse, the fusion of Stars begin, the first of which appears at about 400 million years after the big bang. So, when the bible says Darkness was on the face of the deep, God knew exactly what was happening in the very beginning !! The more we look for the answers, the more that science and the bible will converge, if both sides with differing viewpoints would only take their blinders off.

The second day (period of time) of course would be from the earth & the suns formation until the grasses and trees came forth on the Third day (period of time) then on the fourth day it seems God set the Seasons or placed the Moon in its perfect orbit where our seasons are not strange, but orderly, I know the moon and earth is supposed to have collided. Anyway, that set the seasons, times, years etc. etc. Mind you, all of these ideas are rudimentary observations. A theory of how the things God says in His Holy Word and science can both be factual. They are not meant to imply everything went down just so and in like manner, the dates of course are guesstimates, I wasn’t there.

On the fifth day God created the sea animals/birds and what not, were the Dinos created here or with the land animals? The fifth day lasted 300 million to 400 million years or so. On the Sixth Day around 300–350 Million BC God created the land animals. During this period of time the dinosaurs became extinct about 70 Million years ago. Then during this “TIME PERIOD” (6th day) God decided to create man 6000 or so years ago. Some might protest that men have been around much longer, but I offer this up, where is the data? Men are record keepers and we don’t have proof of men going back further. Now as per “MEN” being observed by scientists to have been around X Number of years, I never said animal like men weren’t around, I stated Human Beings were created 6000 years ago, when God placed His spirit in us and thus we became immortal in that our souls can not die. We were at that point in time “Created in Gods Image”. The other fossils and bones mean nothing, because scientists have no way of testing for God imparting His spirit into mankind and creating “Human Beings” with powerful intellects.

On the seventh day God rested, which only means He ceased Creating the Heavens/Earth/Mankind/Animals. So when we see stars and galaxies created today, it was ordered forth 13.7 billion years ago. So its not necessarily either or. We need to start looking at things with an open mind, be we an atheist or a Christian. The 6000 year assumption will drive people away from Christ who see us as unrealistic. Honestly, anyone using common sense knows the universe can not be 6000 years old.

P.S. Just something to think about. Einstein’s theory of relativity is in the very first verse of the bible, relatively speaking…LOL.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning (TIME) God created the heaven(SPACE) and the earth(MATTER).

I can also show my word study on YOWM which I did that proves YOWM was used as a reference to TIME and the reader has to figure out what time is being spoken about by the description in the verses. I have documented verses that show YOWM is used for Season, Year, Month, Day many seasons et al.

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trophy33 said:

1. Bible was not written by God, but by people.

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Fisherking said:

We are looking at Creation from Gods POV, no man was there of course and with God he is not subject to time,

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1. Inclusion of Religious Belief: The mention of being "there in the beginning with God" and having "every name written in the book of life from the foundation of the world" reflects a theological perspective that emphasizes the divine origin and purpose of existence. This viewpoint suggests a belief in a preexistent spiritual reality and a divine plan for humanity.
2. Integration with Scientific Understanding: The reference to evolution and astrophysics implies an acceptance of scientific explanations for the origins and development of life and the universe. Evolutionary theory explains the diversity of life on Earth, while astrophysics explores the origins and structure of the cosmos. The statement suggests that these scientific explanations are compatible with, rather than contradictory to, religious beliefs.
3. Incorporation of Quantum Physics: Quantum physics, with its principles of uncertainty, wave-particle duality, and entanglement, is mentioned as providing further insights into the nature of reality. Quantum physics challenges classical notions of causality and determinism, offering a deeper understanding of the fundamental nature of matter and energy.

Ceallaigh said:

I'd say at the very least, the world as we know it came into existence 6000 years ago.

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1. Historical Perspective: From a historical viewpoint, the transition from hunting and gathering to agriculture marked a crucial turning point in human history. This period, often referred to as the Neolithic Revolution, witnessed the domestication of plants and animals, the establishment of settled communities, and the development of agricultural techniques such as irrigation and crop cultivation. These advancements led to the rise of complex societies, the emergence of urban centers, and the development of social hierarchies and political institutions. Historical sources, including archaeological evidence and written records from ancient Mesopotamia, provide insights into the economic, social, and cultural changes that accompanied this transition.
2. Scientific Perspective: From a scientific standpoint, the transition to agriculture in ancient Mesopotamia can be understood through interdisciplinary studies in fields such as archaeology, anthropology, and environmental science. Scientific research helps us understand the environmental factors that influenced the shift towards agriculture, such as climate change, population growth, and the availability of resources. Archaeological excavations uncover evidence of early farming communities, including tools, pottery, and agricultural remains. Analyzing ancient DNA and isotopic analysis provides insights into the genetic and dietary changes associated with the adoption of agriculture. Through scientific investigation, researchers can reconstruct the processes and consequences of the Neolithic Revolution with increasing accuracy.
3. Biblical Perspective: In biblical studies, the transition to agriculture in ancient Mesopotamia may be interpreted within the context of religious and cultural narratives found in ancient texts such as the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). While the Bible does not provide a detailed historical account of this period, it contains symbolic and allegorical stories that resonate with themes of agricultural labor, land cultivation, and human stewardship. For example, the biblical narrative of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden has been interpreted metaphorically as an allegory for the transition from a hunter-gatherer existence to agricultural settlement, highlighting themes of labor, sin, and divine providence.

Platte said:

I'm sorry - as a Preacher I missed your explanation of Exodus 20:11 - Can you give that to us? Thank you.

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Fisherking said:

Try listening to what I stated in full my friend, or comprehending what I posted in full, think it through. Did I not just say the word used in Hebrew is YOWM? yet you went right back the the ole English translation that describes it as a day. Will you ever grasp this? Who knows. Is Jesus' name Jesus or Yeshua? Well , in the Greek its Jesus, just like Joshua or Jason means Yeshua, which means Salvation. But as I stated in my above post, I have my WORD STUDY on this, I do not joke around, I do real studies.

I like the KJV but I am not bound to any version per se. Allow me to first show what I mean as per how the word is used in various ways, then we can go from there.


#3117 יוֹם yowm {yome}

from an unused root meaning TO BE HOT; TWOT - 852; n m
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)
1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
1b2) AS A DIVISION OF TIME
1b2a) a working day, a day's journey
1c) days, lifetime (pl.)
1d) TIME, PERIOD (general)
1e) year
1f) temporal references
1f1) today
1f2) yesterday
1f3) tomorrow
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

From an unused root meaning TO BE HOT; a day (as the WARM HOURS), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a SPACE OF TIME defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially):—age, + ALWAYS, + CHRONICLES, CONTINUALLY (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X FULL, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X REQUIRED, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)

#3117.
יוֹם
yom (398a); a prim. root; day:—
NASB - afternoon*(1), age(8), age*(1), all(1), always*(14), amount*(2), battle(1), birthday*(1), Chronicles*(38), completely*(1), continually*(14), course*(1), daily(22), daily the days(1), day(1115), day of the days(1), day that the period(1), day's(6), day's every day(1), daylight*(1), days(635), days on the day(1), days to day(1), days you shall daily(1), days ago(1), days'(11), each(1), each day(4), entire(2), eternity(1), evening*(1), ever in your life*(1), every day(2), fate(1), first(5), forever*(11), forevermore*(1), full(5), full year(1), future*(1), holiday*(3), later*(2), length(1), life(12), life*(1), lifetime(2), lifetime*(1), live(1), long(2), long as i live(1), long*(11), midday*(1), now(5), older*(1), once(2), period(3), perpetually*(2), present(1), recently(1), reigns(1), ripe*(1), short-lived*(1), so long*(1), some time(1), survived*(2), time(45), time*(1), times*(2), today(172), today*(1), usual(1), very old*(1), when(10), when the days(1), whenever(1), while(3), whole(2), year(10), yearly(5), years(13), yesterday*(1).
—NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries

AV - day 2008, time 64, chronicles + H1697 37, daily 32, ever 17,
year 14, continually 10, when 10, as 10, while 8, full 8
always 4, whole 4, alway 4, misc 44; 2274

This proves that yowm does not have to mean day.

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Some examples where this word as used in a different ways BELOW: Notice it's always used as a PERIOD OF TIME of some sort.

2 Kings 17:37 And the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore(YOWM); and ye shall not fear other gods.

Genesis 4:3 And in process of time(YOWM) it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting(YOWM).

Ezekiel 4:6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year(YOWM).

Exodus 13:10 Thou shalt therefore keep this ordinance in his season from year to year(YOWM).

Genesis 8:22 While the earth remaineth(YOWM), seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Genesis 40:4 And the captain of the guard charged Joseph with them, and he served them: and they continued a season(YOWM) in ward.

Joshua 24:7 And when they cried unto the Lord, he put darkness between you and the Egyptians, and brought the sea upon them, and covered them; and your eyes have seen what I have done in Egypt: and ye dwelt in the wilderness a long season(YOWM).

1 Kings 9:3 And the Lord said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually(YOWM).

Genesis 29:14 And Laban said to him, Surely thou art my bone and my flesh. And he abode with him the space(YOWM) of a month.

Leviticus 26:34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long(YOWM) as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.

Deuteronomy 28:29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore(YOWM), and no man shall save thee.

Deuteronomy 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always(YOWM), that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually(YOWM).

Genesis 41:1 And it came to pass at the end of two full(YOWM) years, that Pharaoh dreamed: and, behold, he stood by the river.

I could go on and on, but I think this shows enough variation and instances which shows us that the Hebrew word yowm is used for a PERIOD OF TIME of many sorts. Of course it is going to be used for a day more than any other word because God is going to use "SPECIFIC MENTIONS OF DAYS" more than any other period of time. Whenever a Prophets says that there will be so and so many days of this or that he used the word yowm. But when it was meant as EVERMORE he also used the word yowm, and when it meant a YEAR they also used the word yowm, etc. etc.

So God uses the word yowm and it's up to us to "eventually" figure out what "PERIOD OF TIME" He(God) meant by that !! The Hebrew language had only like 4000 words and no vowels at the time, it was a primitive language of course. We shouldn't allow the professors of that time (Pharisees, Scribes) to sway us into saying this has to mean one day, it was a period of time and it's up to us to figure it out in the end. All men knew back then comparatively speaking was that we had days/years/months. So they had to see it as something, what was it going to be ? Day, Year, Month, Evermore, Perpetually, Full, Always, X Required, Space of time etc. etc. They sure didn't have a clue about how big the universe is like we do, they had no concept of billions of years like we do.

So God created the Universe in a period of 7 YOWMS...........which as shown above means periods of times in various ways. We have to figure it out, we can't allow the dog to lead us here, we have to lead the dog. We can't allow the word DAY (YOWM) to force us to look at things in a way which it drives people away from the Gospel. We want to understand the facts, therefore we can reach people in truth. I have seen many young people tell me, hey, anyone that thinks the universe is 6000 years old, I don't want to hear about your God man, you live in la la land. But when I speak in terms of knowledge, they listen and say so you believe in evolution, and I say why ? God created the Universe over a 13.7 billion year period, as he so desired ? It makes them think, OK.....It opens a door to gain them via what I see as facts. But if we say the Universe is 6000 years old we have no hope to reach them brother. And that is my job, that is why I researched it, I hated Science in school, but its my job to reach the masses with truths, so I dug in.

Morning and Evening mean beginning and ending of a day, or of a period of time.

As per the Day of the Lord, that is the Day God's Wrath starts on, but the Day of the LORD lasts 3.5 years does it not? See how the use of the word day is not always a day?

I hope the above helped explain my positions somewhat and opens you up to seeing my POV here. YOWM is always inserted for a PERIOD OF TIME, its up to us to understand what that Period of time means in each instance. We are seeing creation in Genesis 1 from God's perspective, no man was there. (SMILE)

God Bless

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Platte said:

Please don't take this the wrong way - or me being disrespectful....but Why would I (or anyone) take your translation of the Bible over the group that translated it for the KJV Version? BTW - I checked NIV, NKJV, ASV, ESV, NLT, HCS, LEB, GWT, RSV....they all translated the same way as the KJV - not the way you have. I was not able to locate a single Bible version that stated anything different from the KJV let alone translate anything similar to your translation. Again not trying to be disrespectful.

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trophy33 said:

1. Bible was not written by God, but by people. And people used their vocabulary, cultural references and styles they were used to in their era.

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trophy33 said:

2. Myths, legends, sagas, dramas, symbolic language, poetry etc. are not lying. They are just not literal.

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trophy33 said:

3. The miracles in gospels you refer to are not the same genre, from the same authors or era, from the same culture, from the same empire or even from the same place as for example Genesis 1 and Gen 2. Bible is a library of various kinds of texts, directed to various different audience.

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trophy33 said:

Bible is not a book that fell from heaven yesterday, written by God and directed to the 21st century Americans. Let us not be lazy to learn. Lazy, intuitive reading of a 3,000 years old text will be wrong in almost everything. Similarly like reading the whole Bible as if it was one book with one genre and one purpose.

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Apple Eye said:

If a thousand years for us is but a day for God, in God's eyes this should make the earth 7 + 6 = 13 days old, am I right ?

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Diamond7 said:

I was "dead" for 10 minutes. I asked the fire chief if you go to a house and the heart is not beating what is the chance you can get it going again. They told me one in 1200 and another fire chief in his city said one in 1500. But my wife did do CPR so I guess there is a scientific explanation for people that do not believe in miracles.

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Diamond7 said:

Science tends to be more agnostic. They are not as atheistic as you suggest.

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Diamond7 said:

Science can not prove that the resurrection is impossible.

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Diamond7 said:

But they can not prove it is possible. God created us in the first place. For Him to resurrect us a second time is less of a miracle then it was to create us the first time.

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Diamond7 said:

My son is an engineer so we have done the math. The atoms in our body can not only store all the information of who and what we are. If you can store one bite or one bit of information per atom there are enough atom in our body to store all the information in all the books of the world. If you go into qubits you can store all the information in the universe. I personally would take entanglement further than they want to.

We can not prove that it can be done, but we can prove that it is possible. God brought all our atoms together the first time to create us. He can bring them all back together again and breath life into us a second time. The universe began as hydrogen, helium and lithium. All of the other elements that make us up were created in a star that lived its life, exploded and God brought those elements together here on the earth to create us. So if He did it the first time, He can bring us back together and breath life into us a second time.

This does not even get into a discussion on how much of us lives on in our children. Perhaps more then you realize. Even though I am sure they would deny it if they could.

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Fisherking said:

Try listening to what I stated in full my friend, or comprehending what I posted in full, think it through. Did I not just say the word used in Hebrew is YOWM? yet you went right back the the ole English translation that describes it as a day. Will you ever grasp this? Who knows. Is Jesus' name Jesus or Yeshua? Well , in the Greek its Jesus, just like Joshua or Jason means Yeshua, which means Salvation. But as I stated in my above post, I have my WORD STUDY on this, I do not joke around, I do real studies.

I like the KJV but I am not bound to any version per se. Allow me to first show what I mean as per how the word is used in various ways, then we can go from there.


#3117 יוֹם yowm {yome}

from an unused root meaning TO BE HOT; TWOT - 852; n m
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)
1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
1b2) AS A DIVISION OF TIME
1b2a) a working day, a day's journey
1c) days, lifetime (pl.)
1d) TIME, PERIOD (general)
1e) year
1f) temporal references
1f1) today
1f2) yesterday
1f3) tomorrow
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

From an unused root meaning TO BE HOT; a day (as the WARM HOURS), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a SPACE OF TIME defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially):—age, + ALWAYS, + CHRONICLES, CONTINUALLY (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X FULL, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X REQUIRED, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)

#3117.
יוֹם
yom (398a); a prim. root; day:—
NASB - afternoon*(1), age(8), age*(1), all(1), always*(14), amount*(2), battle(1), birthday*(1), Chronicles*(38), completely*(1), continually*(14), course*(1), daily(22), daily the days(1), day(1115), day of the days(1), day that the period(1), day's(6), day's every day(1), daylight*(1), days(635), days on the day(1), days to day(1), days you shall daily(1), days ago(1), days'(11), each(1), each day(4), entire(2), eternity(1), evening*(1), ever in your life*(1), every day(2), fate(1), first(5), forever*(11), forevermore*(1), full(5), full year(1), future*(1), holiday*(3), later*(2), length(1), life(12), life*(1), lifetime(2), lifetime*(1), live(1), long(2), long as i live(1), long*(11), midday*(1), now(5), older*(1), once(2), period(3), perpetually*(2), present(1), recently(1), reigns(1), ripe*(1), short-lived*(1), so long*(1), some time(1), survived*(2), time(45), time*(1), times*(2), today(172), today*(1), usual(1), very old*(1), when(10), when the days(1), whenever(1), while(3), whole(2), year(10), yearly(5), years(13), yesterday*(1).
—NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries

AV - day 2008, time 64, chronicles + H1697 37, daily 32, ever 17,
year 14, continually 10, when 10, as 10, while 8, full 8
always 4, whole 4, alway 4, misc 44; 2274

This proves that yowm does not have to mean day.

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Some examples where this word as used in a different ways BELOW: Notice it's always used as a PERIOD OF TIME of some sort.

2 Kings 17:37 And the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore(YOWM); and ye shall not fear other gods.

Genesis 4:3 And in process of time(YOWM) it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting(YOWM).

Ezekiel 4:6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year(YOWM).

Exodus 13:10 Thou shalt therefore keep this ordinance in his season from year to year(YOWM).

Genesis 8:22 While the earth remaineth(YOWM), seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Genesis 40:4 And the captain of the guard charged Joseph with them, and he served them: and they continued a season(YOWM) in ward.

Joshua 24:7 And when they cried unto the Lord, he put darkness between you and the Egyptians, and brought the sea upon them, and covered them; and your eyes have seen what I have done in Egypt: and ye dwelt in the wilderness a long season(YOWM).

1 Kings 9:3 And the Lord said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually(YOWM).

Genesis 29:14 And Laban said to him, Surely thou art my bone and my flesh. And he abode with him the space(YOWM) of a month.

Leviticus 26:34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long(YOWM) as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.

Deuteronomy 28:29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore(YOWM), and no man shall save thee.

Deuteronomy 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always(YOWM), that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually(YOWM).

Genesis 41:1 And it came to pass at the end of two full(YOWM) years, that Pharaoh dreamed: and, behold, he stood by the river.

I could go on and on, but I think this shows enough variation and instances which shows us that the Hebrew word yowm is used for a PERIOD OF TIME of many sorts. Of course it is going to be used for a day more than any other word because God is going to use "SPECIFIC MENTIONS OF DAYS" more than any other period of time. Whenever a Prophets says that there will be so and so many days of this or that he used the word yowm. But when it was meant as EVERMORE he also used the word yowm, and when it meant a YEAR they also used the word yowm, etc. etc.

So God uses the word yowm and it's up to us to "eventually" figure out what "PERIOD OF TIME" He(God) meant by that !! The Hebrew language had only like 4000 words and no vowels at the time, it was a primitive language of course. We shouldn't allow the professors of that time (Pharisees, Scribes) to sway us into saying this has to mean one day, it was a period of time and it's up to us to figure it out in the end. All men knew back then comparatively speaking was that we had days/years/months. So they had to see it as something, what was it going to be ? Day, Year, Month, Evermore, Perpetually, Full, Always, X Required, Space of time etc. etc. They sure didn't have a clue about how big the universe is like we do, they had no concept of billions of years like we do.

So God created the Universe in a period of 7 YOWMS...........which as shown above means periods of times in various ways. We have to figure it out, we can't allow the dog to lead us here, we have to lead the dog. We can't allow the word DAY (YOWM) to force us to look at things in a way which it drives people away from the Gospel. We want to understand the facts, therefore we can reach people in truth. I have seen many young people tell me, hey, anyone that thinks the universe is 6000 years old, I don't want to hear about your God man, you live in la la land. But when I speak in terms of knowledge, they listen and say so you believe in evolution, and I say why ? God created the Universe over a 13.7 billion year period, as he so desired ? It makes them think, OK.....It opens a door to gain them via what I see as facts. But if we say the Universe is 6000 years old we have no hope to reach them brother. And that is my job, that is why I researched it, I hated Science in school, but its my job to reach the masses with truths, so I dug in.

Morning and Evening mean beginning and ending of a day, or of a period of time.

As per the Day of the Lord, that is the Day God's Wrath starts on, but the Day of the LORD lasts 3.5 years does it not? See how the use of the word day is not always a day?

I hope the above helped explain my positions somewhat and opens you up to seeing my POV here. YOWM is always inserted for a PERIOD OF TIME, its up to us to understand what that Period of time means in each instance. We are seeing creation in Genesis 1 from God's perspective, no man was there. (SMILE)

God Bless

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Fisherking said:

The bible says YOWM not DAY, you just can not seem to get that in your craw, its OK. So, the Hebrew Bible says YOWM not day. Me trying to explain it again will just be unproductive I am afraid, you insist on using the KJV or some English version, and to you that's the be all end all, its not to me, I use the Greek study guides for the New Testament and the Hebrew (and even Chaldean for Daniel) study guides for the Old Testament.

What do you think is a better way, the English translation or the original its written in?

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Mercy Shown said:

Had your cellular respiration ceased you would have started decomposition within 4 minuets.

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Mercy Shown said:

The fact is, once one is convinced that the Bible is a myth, then there is only our imagination to guide us.

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Fisherking said:

He could have said the same thing in 20 minutes.

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BNR32FAN said:

I’m sorry my friend but this is incorrect. None of the examples you gave here actually use the Hebrew word Yovm except for Ezekiel 4:6. You have Yamim which means days plural, Yemei which means the days, Mimei which means from the days,

2k king 17:37 doesn’t have any form of the word Yovm in it. This one shouldn’t even be in the list.

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—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)​

—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)​

—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)​

• #3117.
• יוֹם
• yom (398a); a prim. root; day:—
• NASB - afternoon*(1), age(8), age*(1), all(1), always*(14), amount*(2), battle(1), birthday*(1), Chronicles*(38), completely*(1), continually*(14), course*(1), daily(22), daily the days(1), day(1115), day of the days(1), day that the period(1), day's(6), day's every day(1), daylight*(1), days(635), days on the day(1), days to day(1), days you shall daily(1), days ago(1), days'(11), each(1), each day(4), entire(2), eternity(1), evening*(1), ever in your life*(1), every day(2), fate(1), first(5), forever*(11), forevermore*(1), full(5), full year(1), future*(1), holiday*(3), later*(2), length(1), life(12), life*(1), lifetime(2), lifetime*(1), live(1), long(2), long as i live(1), long*(11), midday*(1), now(5), older*(1), once(2), period(3), perpetually*(2), present(1), recently(1), reigns(1), ripe*(1), short-lived*(1), so long*(1), some time(1), survived*(2), time(45), time*(1), times*(2), today(172), today*(1), usual(1), very old*(1), when(10), when the days(1), whenever(1), while(3), whole(2), year(10), yearly(5), years(13), yesterday*(1).

—NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries​

BNR32FAN said:

I don’t have time to finish the rest right now just finished my lunch break but the word Yovm is used in Genesis 1 for each creation day not Beyovm in the day, Yamim, days, Yemei the days, or Mimei from the days. These words can be used in reference to a period of time other than a 24 hour period. Yovm is not.

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Platte said:

My point is - why would all the English translations of the Bible translate YOWM to the word DAY if that is not, according to you, an accurate translation. I assume you know that YOWM can also mean and be translated as a single 24 hours day also.

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Diamond7 said:

You have to be careful with this because we have Buddhist monks that are 500 years old and they have not decomposed because they purified themselves when they were alive.

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Diamond7 said:

We have more then the Bible. The law of karma talks about the power or positive energy as well as the Law of Attraction.

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Diamond7 said:

Science operates within the framework of natural laws and observable phenomena, and its methodologies are typically not equipped to investigate supernatural events or claims that transcend the physical realm. The resurrection of Jesus Christ, as described in Christian theology, is considered a miraculous event that transcends natural laws and is not subject to scientific verification or falsification.

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Diamond7 said:

While scientific understanding may provide explanations for biological death and decay, it does not definitively prove or disprove the possibility of a resurrection occurring through supernatural intervention. The question of the resurrection's possibility is ultimately a matter of faith and theological interpretation rather than empirical scientific inquiry. Different individuals and religious traditions may approach this question from varying perspectives, drawing upon both faith-based beliefs and scientific knowledge.

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Fisherking said:

Because Moses and most Hebrew writers had no understanding of billions of years, so their YOWM could never give a detailed description of God's POV of Creation, but I just did it for you. So, the English just put in day I guess because they knew YOWM was referring to some time period, and day is a time period. But YOWM is the proper word, not day.

Sure Yowm can mean a day, but that is not what God meant. Here is the problem no young earth guys can ever solve WHY? Why would God SPEED UP the Laws of Nature for Creation? He lives in ALL TIME at once, God is not impatient, as soon as God spoke creation he lived in the end times, he lived with us in Heaven before we were ever born (LOL), can you grasp that my friend. So, why would a God who lives in ALL TIME need to speed up the Laws of Nature?

The stars lights tell us the Universe is billions of years old. If the Sun and Moon had not of collided we could not live on this earth. We gained a stable satellite, that created the Seasons, Days, Years et. al.

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Platte said:

I am not a young earth guy but I am comfortable that the KJV translated Genesis correctly. Every other version of the Bible I reviewed also translated it that way which confirms what I think of the KJV. I wish you well in your word study. The answers you have asked for from young Earth guys are there for you when you are ready.

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