Daniel 9:27 the covenant to be confirmed

Douggg · Apr 3, 2024

Why it will be the Mt. Sinai covenant.

Deuteronomy 31, Moses starts off by speaking to all Israel, i.e. the people gathered together, saying that he was 120 years old and not as fit as he once was. And that the LORD told him he would not be entering the promised land. But also informing them that God will destroy the nations in the land that they would inherit.

Then after giving some encouraging words to Joshua, in verses 7-8, Moses wrote a law which is essentially instructions to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year basis and handed it to the priests there that day.

9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.

In the law, instructions, Moses commanded them to

10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,

So the cycle was set after that first seven years. And has been done every seven years since - unless circumstances like being in exile from the land prevented it. It has not been done in recent times because of the access issue to the temple mount.

Moses continued....

11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

The place of God's choosing is currently taken to be the temple mount by the Jews. I was informed by the Jews (Judaism) themselves of their position.

12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:

So the whole nation is going to be a participant to confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant of God giving the promised land as their forever.
You can see how that would not go over with Muslims under the current circumstances. So it will be done once the Muslim presence is removed from the temple mount - i.e. following Gog/Magog.

13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

Moses was intent that future generations would not forget everything the children of Israel of his generation went through under the Mt. Sinai covenant by which God gave them the promised land as theirs forever.

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So that ceremonial event will be overseen by the Antichrist on the feast of tabernacles from the temple mount. A big speech, confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle established by Moses. The false prophet will also take part in the ceremony in my view.

keras · Apr 3, 2024

The Sinai Covenant bears no relation to what is Prophesied in Daniel 9:27, which has nothing to do with Gods Commandments.

That agreement is for a fixed time of 7 years.
It will be broken after half of it has passed.
The second half of it; the 3 1/2 years, or 42 months. or1260 days, is described to us in Revelation, as a time of world Satanic control and of the Great Tribulation.
The total 7 year period will culminate with the glorious Return of Jesus, to reign over the world for the next thousand years.

Douggg · Apr 3, 2024

keras said:
The Sinai Covenant bears no relation to what is Prophesied in Daniel 9:27, which has nothing to do with Gods Commandments.

What covenant is Daniel talking about in Daniel 9:4 ?

4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

Gabriel, the messenger of God sent to Daniel, spoke about the 70 weeks in regards to that covenant.

btw, keras, the 70 weeks are not determined on the church, but on Daniel's people the Jews and Jerusalem, Daniel 9:24.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

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Being the Mt Sinai covenant really narrows things down, doesn't it regarding the identity of the prince who shall come?

btw, you are claiming that Christians will start up the daily sacrifice of the two lambs again. What covenant established that ritual?

Logicalpaladin · Apr 3, 2024

Douggg said:
What covenant is Daniel talking about in Daniel 9:4 ?

4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

Gabriel, the messenger of God sent to Daniel, spoke about the 70 weeks in regards to that covenant.

btw, keras, the 70 weeks are not determined on the church, but on Daniel's people the Jews and Jerusalem, Daniel 9:24.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

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Being the Mt Sinai covenant really narrows things down, doesn't it regarding the identity of the prince who shall come?

btw, you are claiming that Christians will start up the daily sacrifice of the two lambs again. What covenant established that ritual?

Did you know that when viewed upside down, the three g’s in your name look exactly like a 666?

keras · Apr 3, 2024

Douggg said:
the 70 weeks are not determined on the church, but on Daniel's people the Jews and Jerusalem, Daniel 9:24.

Daniels people are all the faithful and righteous peoples. Jerusalem will become our capital.

Douggg said:
you are claiming that Christians will start up the daily sacrifice of the two lambs again.

Like to get in a sly dig at me?
I have never said anything about the lambs. When the new Temple is built, there will again be sacrifices and thank offerings, As per Ezekiel 45:20... For inadvertent sins and for the simple people.

The 'covenant' in Daniel 9:27, is mis-translated in most Bibles. It is a treaty; of peace for a fixed term of 7 years. Between the Anti-Christ and the peoples of God.

Douggg · Apr 3, 2024

keras said:
I have never said anything about the lambs. When the new Temple is built, there will again be sacrifices and thank offerings, As per Ezekiel 45:20... For inadvertent sins and for the simple people.

The prince who shall stops the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. What do you think the sacrifice will be that is going to be stopped ?

Douggg · Apr 3, 2024

Logicalpaladin said:
Did you know that when viewed upside down, the three g’s in your name look exactly like a 666?

not exactly. The body of the 6 is curved. The g has a straight portion.. The g upside down looks more like an "a" to me. I guess it depends on the font style. Below is the Verdana font.

I think you meant was upside down and reversed.

keras · Apr 3, 2024

Douggg said:
The prince who shall stops the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. What do you think the sacrifice will be that is going to be stopped ?

The Prophecy says he will stop the sacrifice.........A plain and definitive statement.
That you feel the need to question it shows you have another agenda.

In Revelation 5:10 and Isaiah 66:21, we are told that God will choose some of His faithful people to be His Priests.
Ezekiel 46:2b tells of the Priests making the burnt offerings, as described in Ezekiel 46:6-7. These are scriptures, if you don't like them and they mess up your beliefs, then just read fiction and keep hoping that God will do for you what He has never yet done for any of the Christian martyrs.

Douggg · Apr 4, 2024

keras said:
The Prophecy says he will stop the sacrifice.........A plain and definitive statement.
That you feel the need to question it shows you have another agenda.

I am not questioning the bible verse. I am questioning you what do you think the sacrifice will be ?

In Daniel 8 :13, it says the sacrifice will be the daily sacrifice - which is the two lambs, established by the Mt. Sinai covenant.

You never did acknowledge that covenant in Daniel 9:4 is the Mt. Sinai covenant.

4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

What it proves by being the Mt. Sinai covenant is that your view of it being a Christian nation, and not the nation of Israel, involved in Daniel 9 is completely wrong.

keras · Apr 4, 2024

Douggg said:
What it proves by being the Mt. Sinai covenant is that your view of it being a Christian nation, and not the nation of Israel, involved in Daniel 9 is completely wrong.

Do the Israelis keep the Sinai Covenant? No.
Is the Jewish State of Israel Gods chosen people? No.
Is the agreement as described in Daniel 9:27 even a Covenant with God? No.

It is your failure to understand that the 'many people', who agree with this 7 year treaty will be Christian people. Daniel 11:32-35 explains how this will happen: the leader of the One World Govt, later to be revealed as the Anti-Christ aka the 'beast, will come to the Christian peoples who will be living peacefully and prosperously in all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, +,
Half of the Christian peoples will agree to this treaty and half will reject it. But their leaders will sign it. Isaiah 28:15 The fate of those 2 groups is described in Revelation 12:14 and 17

Douggg · Apr 4, 2024

keras said:
Do the Israelis keep the Sinai Covenant? No.

The Jews (Judaism) try to.

Douggg · Apr 4, 2024

keras said:
It is your failure to understand that the 'many people', who agree with this 7 year treaty will be Christian people. Daniel 11:32-35 explains how this will happen: the leader of the One World Govt, later to be revealed as the Anti-Christ aka the 'beast, will come to the Christian peoples who will be living peacefully and prosperously in all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, +,
Half of the Christian peoples will agree to this treaty and half will reject it. But their leaders will sign it. Isaiah 28:15 The fate of those 2 groups is described in Revelation 12:14 and 17

What is the sacrifice that he will stop in the middle of the 7 years ?

keras · Apr 4, 2024

Douggg said:
The Jews (Judaism) try to.

I have been to Israel and my wife and I attended a service in the Great Synagogue in King George St, Jerusalem. From what I saw there and over all of the Jewish State of Israel, is they care little for anything Moses said.

The Mosaic Covenant simply does not fit with Daniel 9:27

Douggg said:
What is the sacrifice that he will stop in the middle of the 7 years ?

He will stop all the routine of the Temple and sit in the Holy of Holies, declaring himself to be God. 2 Thess 2:4

Douggg · Apr 4, 2024

keras said:
I have been to Israel and my wife and I attended a service in the Great Synagogue in King George St, Jerusalem. From what I saw there and over all of the Jewish State of Israel, is they care little for anything Moses said.

The Mosaic Covenant simply does not fit with Daniel 9:27

He will stop all the routine of the Temple and sit in the Holy of Holies, declaring himself to be God. 2 Thess 2:4

keras, the routine of the temple includes the daily sacrifice. Christians don't do the daily sacrifice when there is a temple present. It will be the Jews, not a nation of Christians. The Jews like at the temple institute.org are preparing for temple routines, not Christians.

I have over 10,000 posts at Jewish sites since 2004 learning what they believe. And they do care about what Moses said and also following the Mt. Sinai covenant. It is by that covenant that the Jews were given the land of Israel as theirs forever. Not us Christians from around the world.

Your entire scenario is wrong.

keras · Apr 5, 2024

Douggg said:
the routine of the temple includes the daily sacrifice. Christians don't do the daily sacrifice when there is a temple present. It will be the Jews, not a nation of Christians. The Jews like at the temple institute.org are preparing for temple routines, not Christians.

The Jews will not be in charge when the new Temple is built. That is made clear by many Prophesies, especially Romans 9:27.
The Jewish Temple Institute will never build the Temple, secular Israelis will not allow it and as for their goofy red heifers, hamburger filling is their best fate.

Douggg said:
Your entire scenario is wrong.

I am not so judgmental; Your scenario is 80% wrong.
You do believe that Jesus will Return and then reign for the next thousand years.

Douggg · Apr 5, 2024

keras said:
I am not so judgmental; Your scenario is 80% wrong.
You do believe that Jesus will Return and then reign for the next thousand years.

I was referring to your scenario of a solar event that depopulates the middle east. And them in the aftermath, the vacated land of Israel back filled with Christians migrating there and forming a new nation called Beulah. And those Christians entering into a 7 year agreement with a one world leader. And those Christians building the next temple.

To fulfill the Daniel 8 time of the end prophecy about the little horn and the stopping of the daily sacrifice the daily sacrifice must resume. Christians don't perform those sacrifices which was established by the Mt. Sinai covenant.

tranquil · Apr 5, 2024

keras said:
I have been to Israel and my wife and I attended a service in the Great Synagogue in King George St, Jerusalem. From what I saw there and over all of the Jewish State of Israel, is they care little for anything Moses said.

The Mosaic Covenant simply does not fit with Daniel 9:27

He will stop all the routine of the Temple and sit in the Holy of Holies, declaring himself to be God. 2 Thess 2:4

Although I did get a chuckle from your casual dismissal of the red heifers (those burgers will presumably be very kosher!), I don't see any other option for the covenant.

The sacrifices in Dan 9:27 are 'zebach' which are strongly implied animal sacrifices. Elsewhere as in Dan 12 & Dan 8, the 'sacrifices' are the 'daily' which are not necessarily animal sacrifices. We know from Joel that the 'locusts' (1st Woe) are cutting off 'grain & wine offerings' - applicable to Dan 12's 1290 days and Dan 8's 2300 days (which could be interpreted as communion bread and wine).

Also, the punishments of Revelation (ie Trumpets and Bowls of wrath) are directly tied to the breaking of the Mosaic covenant - these punishments are the curses for disobedience in Deuteronomy 28 etc.

Timtofly · Apr 5, 2024

Logicalpaladin said:
Did you know that when viewed upside down, the three g’s in your name look exactly like a 666?

Do u ggg?

keras · Apr 6, 2024

tranquil said:
I don't see any other option for the covenant.

But what Daniel 9:27 says is not a 'covenant' with God.

It will be an agreement between the 'prince', whose predecessor, or type; will be Titus, as is mentioned in verse 26, who conquered the Jews in 70 AD and the 'many', who I believe to be the majority of the peoples who will be present in the holy Land at this future time.
God is not involved, so calling that 7 year agreement the Mosaic Covenant is simply untenable.

tranquil said:
the punishments of Revelation (ie Trumpets and Bowls of wrath) are directly tied to the breaking of the Mosaic covenant

Not what Revelation 16:7 and other verses say: God's wrath is against those who have taken the 'mark of the beast'.

The Christian peoples will either be kept in a place of safety, Revelation 12:14, or have to remain and face persecution: Revelation 12:17
The latter are the 'many', and the former are the ones who kept the New Covenant with God, Daniel 11:32, the few who refused to agree with this 7 year treaty of peace with the 'beast'.

tranquil · Apr 6, 2024

keras said:
But what Daniel 9:27 says is not a 'covenant' with God.

It will be an agreement between the 'prince', whose predecessor, or type; will be Titus, as is mentioned in verse 26, who conquered the Jews in 70 AD and the 'many', who I believe to be the majority of the peoples who will be present in the holy Land at this future time.
God is not involved, so calling that 7 year agreement the Mosaic Covenant is simply untenable.

Not what Revelation 16:7 and other verses say: God's wrath is against those who have taken the 'mark of the beast'.

The Christian peoples will either be kept in a place of safety, Revelation 12:14, or have to remain and face persecution: Revelation 12:17
The latter are the 'many', and the former are the ones who kept the New Covenant with God, Daniel 11:32, the few who refused to agree with this 7 year treaty of peace with the 'beast'.

Idol worship is proscribed, thus they receive the curses for disobedience.

For example, the 'hail & fire' described at the 1st Trumpet, 7th Trumpet, 7th Bowl, and the giant millstone are symbolic of stoning the 'adulteress' Babylon.

Deut 22:20If, however, this accusation is true, and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house, and there the men of her city will stone her to death. For she has committed an outrage in Israel by being promiscuous in her father’s house. So you must purge the evil from among you.d

22If a man is found lying with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.

23If there is a virgin pledged in marriage to a man, and another man encounters her in the city and sleeps with her, 24you must take both of them out to the gate of that city and stone them to death—the young woman because she did not cry out in the city, and the man because he has violated his neighbor’s wife. So you must purge the evil from among you.

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Ezek 16:36This is what the Lord GOD says: Because you poured out your wealth and exposed your nakedness in your promiscuity with your lovers and with all your detestable idols, and because of the blood of your children which you gave to them, 37therefore I will surely gather all the lovers with whom you found pleasure, all those you loved and all those you hated. I will gather them against you from all around and expose you before them, and they will see you completely naked. 38And I will sentence you to the punishment of women who commit adultery and those who shed blood; so I will bring upon you the wrath of your bloodshed and jealousy.

39Then I will deliver you into the hands of your lovers, and they will level your mounds and tear down your lofty shrines. They will strip off your clothes, take your fine jewelry, and leave you naked and bare. 40They will bring a mob against you, who will stone you and cut you to pieces with their swords. 41Then they will burn down your houses and execute judgment against you in the sight of many women.

I will put an end to your prostitution, and you will never again pay your lovers. 42So I will lay to rest My wrath against you, and My jealousy will turn away from you. Then I will be calm and no longer angry.

It will be an agreement between the 'prince', whose predecessor, or type; will be Titus, as is mentioned in verse 26, who conquered the Jews in 70 AD and the 'many', who I believe to be the majority of the peoples who will be present in the holy Land at this future time.

The Christian peoples will either be kept in a place of safety, Revelation 12:14, or have to remain and face persecution: Revelation 12:17
The latter are the 'many', and the former are the ones who kept the New Covenant with God, Daniel 11:32, the few who refused to agree with this 7 year treaty of peace with the 'beast'.

As to your point about the 'many', it sounds very much like the reading of the Mosaic covenant to the Israelites in Deut 29-32.

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