Florida Surgeon General calls for halting mRNA vaccines

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I believe that this is more scientific evidence showing how dangerous mRNA vaccines can be.
Aside from the fact that the research he's citing has been debunked multiple times over, sure. Here's the FDA's response from when he initially complained to them last month. And that's not even the first time he's been publicly chastised for spreading COVID misinformation in the past year.

His claims about "contaminant DNA" integrating into human DNA are a repackaging of the anti-vax "turbo cancer" myth, a phenomenon that has never been observed, nor is there any evidence that it could happen. In other words, Dr. Ladapo is a quack.
 
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Because of the false information put out by the CDC and Because the FDA hasn't earned my full trust either, then I am very skeptical of information published by the FDA or the CDC.
 
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Because of the false information put out by the CDC and Because the FDA hasn't earned my full trust either, then I am very skeptical of information published by the FDA or the CDC.
That's fine - but if Dr. Ladapo is going to make claims, it is on him to provide evidence for those claims. Which is something that he has not done.
 
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That's fine - but if Dr. Ladapo is going to make claims, it is on him to provide evidence for those claims. Which is something that he has not done.
There is a link in the op article that does show some evidence. Please check it out.

Also, I don't believe that you are helping your point of view by calling Dr. Ladapo a "quack."
 
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There is a link in the op article that does show some evidence. Please check it out.
No, it does not show evidence, it shows claims. Claims which are refuted in the 2 page letter from the FDA that @RocksInMyHead linked to.


Also, I don't believe that you are helping your point of view by calling Dr. Ladapo a "quack."
In an interview yesterday on Steve Bannon's The War Room (totally not a red flag) Dr. Ladapo said that covid mRNA vaccines are 'the Anti-Christ of all products'. Going on to say, "That’s so wrong, you know, it’s just complete disrespect to the human genome and the importance of protecting it and preserving it, and that is our connection to God."

Dr. Ladapo isn't helping his point of view by sounding like a nut.

Further info about this in this article from Scientific American where all of Dr. Ladapo's claims are refuted

You have a “better chance of becoming Spider-Man” than being harmed by DNA from COVID vaccines

You don't trust the FDA but you'll listen to the surgeon general of Florida, the state that made politicization of vaccines priority number one.
 
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Further info about this in this article from Scientific American where all of Dr. Ladapo's claims are refuted

You have a “better chance of becoming Spider-Man” than being harmed by DNA from COVID vaccines
A cite from Scientific American isn't as impressive as it might seem. Be that as it may, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are based on RNA, not DNA. The issue in Florida is the break-down into unintended proteins. Here's the paper in Nature: N1-methylpseudouridylation of mRNA causes +1 ribosomal frameshifting - Nature . I don't think Nature publishes "misinformation."

The question is whether these unintended proteins have unintended effects. That's a different issue. Like it or not, the mRNA vaccines were approved as an emergency measure in order to eliminate the delay from standard approval procedures. You can argue that saved lives, yet it does raise a caution flag.
 
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There is a link in the op article that does show some evidence. Please check it out.
I already did - there is no evidence. The only link in the article is to an FDA guidelines document (and I thought you didn't trust them) on DNA vaccines. The COVID vaccines are mRNA vaccines. DNA and mRNA are not the same thing.
Also, I don't believe that you are helping your point of view by calling Dr. Ladapo a "quack."
He promotes conspiracy theories and junk science, and was even caught editing the data in an article that he published in order to make it support his personal opinions about the COVID vaccine. The man is a quack.
 
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The question is whether these unintended proteins have unintended effects. That's a different issue. Like it or not, the mRNA vaccines were approved as an emergency measure in order to eliminate the delay from standard approval procedures. You can argue that saved lives, yet it does raise a caution flag.
At this point, billions of doses of mRNA vaccines have been administered over the course of three years. No one has noted any negative effects from these proteins (which the Nature study confirms). I think it's pretty clear by this point that the COVID mRNA vaccines, at least, are safe.
Be that as it may, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are based on RNA, not DNA.
While that is true, the claims that Dr. Ladapo expresses are related to DNA. He claims that integration of contaminant DNA into human cells could activate dormant oncogens (cancer-causing genes), leading to sudden onset of cancers (aka "turbo cancer") and the spread of these activated cancer-causing genes to future offspring.
 
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I dont understand. These same people will tolerate every sort of contaminant into the air we breathe and food we eat - fine particulates from their "freedom diesels", microplastics, etc.

The disconnect would indicate ideology at play rather than science.
 
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At this point, billions of doses of mRNA vaccines have been administered over the course of three years. No one has noted any negative effects from these proteins (which the Nature study confirms). I think it's pretty clear by this point that the COVID mRNA vaccines, at least, are safe.

What adverse events should healthcare providers report to VAERS after COVID-19 vaccination?

Healthcare providers should report the following adverse events to VAERS:
  • Vaccine administration errors whether or not associated with an adverse event(AE)
  • Serious AEs regardless of causality. Serious AEs per FDA are defined as:
    • Death
    • A life-threatening AE
    • Inpatient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization
    • A persistent or significant incapacity or substantial disruption of the ability to conduct normal life functions
    • A congenital anomaly/birth defect
    • An important medical event that based on appropriate medical judgement may jeopardize the individual and may require medical or surgical intervention to prevent one of the outcomes listed above
  • Cases of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in children and adults
  • Cases of myocarditis after a Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, Novavax, or Janssen COVID-19 vaccine
  • Cases of pericarditis after a Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, Novavax, or Janssen COVID-19 vaccine
  • Cases of COVID-19 that result in hospitalization or death
In addition, reporting is also encouraged for other clinically significant adverse events, even if it is uncertain whether the vaccine caused the event. Information on how to submit a report to VAERS.
 
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Immun Inflamm Dis. 2023 Mar; 11(3): e807.
Published online 2023 Mar 17. doi: 10.1002/iid3.807
PMCID: PMC10022421
PMID: 36988252

Adverse events following COVID‐19 mRNA vaccines: A systematic review of cardiovascular complication, thrombosis, and thrombocytopenia​

Farah Yasmin, 1 Hala Najeeb, 1 Unaiza Naeem, 1 Abdul Moeed, 1 Abdul Raafe Atif, 1 Muhammad Sohaib Asghar, 2 Nayef Nimri, 3 Maryam Saleem, 3 Dhrubajyoti Bandyopadhyay, 4 Chayakrit Krittanawong, 5 Mohammed Mahmmoud Fadelallah Eljack,
corresponding author
6 Muhammad Junaid Tahir, 7 and Fahad Waqar 3
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Associated Data​

Supplementary MaterialsData Availability Statement
Go to:

Abstract​

Background and Objectives​

Since publishing successful clinical trial results of mRNA coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID‐19) vaccines in December 2020, multiple reports have arisen about cardiovascular complications following the mRNA vaccination. This study provides an in‐depth account of various cardiovascular adverse events reported after the mRNA vaccines' first or second dose including pericarditis/myopericarditis, myocarditis, hypotension, hypertension, arrhythmia, cardiogenic shock, stroke, myocardial infarction/STEMI, intracranial hemorrhage, thrombosis (deep vein thrombosis, cerebral venous thrombosis, arterial or venous thrombotic events, portal vein thrombosis, coronary thrombosis, microvascular small bowel thrombosis), and pulmonary embolism.

Methods​

A systematic review of original studies reporting confirmed cardiovascular manifestations post‐mRNA COVID‐19 vaccination was performed. Following the PRISMA guidelines, electronic databases (PubMed, PMC NCBI, and Cochrane Library) were searched until January 2022. Baseline characteristics of patients and disease outcomes were extracted from relevant studies.

Results​

A total of 81 articles analyzed confirmed cardiovascular complications post‐COVID‐19 mRNA vaccines in 17,636 individuals and reported 284 deaths with any mRNA vaccine. Of 17,636 cardiovascular events with any mRNA vaccine, 17,192 were observed with the BNT162b2 (Pfizer−BioNTech) vaccine, 444 events with mRNA‐1273 (Moderna). Thrombosis was frequently reported with any mRNA vaccine (n = 13,936), followed by stroke (n = 758), myocarditis (n = 511), myocardial infarction (n = 377), pulmonary embolism (n = 301), and arrhythmia (n = 254). Stratifying the results by vaccine type showed that thrombosis (80.8%) was common in the BNT162b2 cohort, while stroke (39.9%) was common with mRNA‐1273 for any dose. The time between the vaccination dosage and the first symptom onset averaged 5.6 and 4.8 days with the mRNA‐1273 vaccine and BNT162b2, respectively. The mRNA‐1273 cohort reported 56 deaths compared to the 228 with BNT162b2, while the rest were discharged or transferred to the ICU.

Conclusion​

Available literature includes more studies with the BNT162b2 vaccine than mRNA‐1273. Future studies must report mortality and adverse cardiovascular events by vaccine types.
Keywords: cardiovascular complications, COVID‐19 vaccines, genes, infection, Pfizer−BioNTech, public health, SARS‐CoV‐2

We aim to summarize the events of cardiac complications following the mRNA coronavirus disease 2019 vaccine, providing an in‐depth analysis of their occurrences, and their implications. The review includes 69 case reports/case series, 4 studies with data obtained from electronic medical records (hospital surveillance data, national database, VAERS/VigiBase), and 8 observational studies including prospective/retrospective cohort.

 
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Immun Inflamm Dis. 2023 Mar; 11(3): e807.
Published online 2023 Mar 17. doi: 10.1002/iid3.807
PMCID: PMC10022421
PMID: 36988252

Adverse events following COVID‐19 mRNA vaccines: A systematic review of cardiovascular complication, thrombosis, and thrombocytopenia​

Farah Yasmin, 1 Hala Najeeb, 1 Unaiza Naeem, 1 Abdul Moeed, 1 Abdul Raafe Atif, 1 Muhammad Sohaib Asghar, 2 Nayef Nimri, 3 Maryam Saleem, 3 Dhrubajyoti Bandyopadhyay, 4 Chayakrit Krittanawong, 5 Mohammed Mahmmoud Fadelallah Eljack,
corresponding author
6 Muhammad Junaid Tahir, 7 and Fahad Waqar 3
Author information Article notes Copyright and License information PMC Disclaimer

Associated Data​

Supplementary MaterialsData Availability Statement
Go to:

Abstract​

Background and Objectives​

Since publishing successful clinical trial results of mRNA coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID‐19) vaccines in December 2020, multiple reports have arisen about cardiovascular complications following the mRNA vaccination. This study provides an in‐depth account of various cardiovascular adverse events reported after the mRNA vaccines' first or second dose including pericarditis/myopericarditis, myocarditis, hypotension, hypertension, arrhythmia, cardiogenic shock, stroke, myocardial infarction/STEMI, intracranial hemorrhage, thrombosis (deep vein thrombosis, cerebral venous thrombosis, arterial or venous thrombotic events, portal vein thrombosis, coronary thrombosis, microvascular small bowel thrombosis), and pulmonary embolism.

Methods​

A systematic review of original studies reporting confirmed cardiovascular manifestations post‐mRNA COVID‐19 vaccination was performed. Following the PRISMA guidelines, electronic databases (PubMed, PMC NCBI, and Cochrane Library) were searched until January 2022. Baseline characteristics of patients and disease outcomes were extracted from relevant studies.

Results​

A total of 81 articles analyzed confirmed cardiovascular complications post‐COVID‐19 mRNA vaccines in 17,636 individuals and reported 284 deaths with any mRNA vaccine. Of 17,636 cardiovascular events with any mRNA vaccine, 17,192 were observed with the BNT162b2 (Pfizer−BioNTech) vaccine, 444 events with mRNA‐1273 (Moderna). Thrombosis was frequently reported with any mRNA vaccine (n = 13,936), followed by stroke (n = 758), myocarditis (n = 511), myocardial infarction (n = 377), pulmonary embolism (n = 301), and arrhythmia (n = 254). Stratifying the results by vaccine type showed that thrombosis (80.8%) was common in the BNT162b2 cohort, while stroke (39.9%) was common with mRNA‐1273 for any dose. The time between the vaccination dosage and the first symptom onset averaged 5.6 and 4.8 days with the mRNA‐1273 vaccine and BNT162b2, respectively. The mRNA‐1273 cohort reported 56 deaths compared to the 228 with BNT162b2, while the rest were discharged or transferred to the ICU.

Conclusion​

Available literature includes more studies with the BNT162b2 vaccine than mRNA‐1273. Future studies must report mortality and adverse cardiovascular events by vaccine types.
Keywords: cardiovascular complications, COVID‐19 vaccines, genes, infection, Pfizer−BioNTech, public health, SARS‐CoV‐2

We aim to summarize the events of cardiac complications following the mRNA coronavirus disease 2019 vaccine, providing an in‐depth analysis of their occurrences, and their implications. The review includes 69 case reports/case series, 4 studies with data obtained from electronic medical records (hospital surveillance data, national database, VAERS/VigiBase), and 8 observational studies including prospective/retrospective cohort.

1. Note that billions of doses of the vaccine have been administrated worldwide - 20,000 incidences of cardiovascular disease (which may or may not have actually be caused by the vaccine) is a very small percentage. Yes, it is a known potential adverse reaction (along with Giullain-Barre syndrome and anaphylaxis), but it's quite rare.

2. This has absolutely nothing to do with the reasons why Dr. Ladapo is calling for a halt to the use of mRNA vaccines. Re-read his press release. Not once does he mention cardiovascular disease or thrombosis.

3. Studies comparing the rates of cardiovascular disease following COVID infection among people who were vaccinated against the general population actually found that the rate of cardiovascular disease was lower for those who had been vaccinated: Impact of Vaccination on Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events in Patients With COVID-19 Infection
 
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I know for a FACT that my wife had severe reactions to both doses of the Pfizer Covid 19 vaccine.
Both times the adverse reaction was so severe that the doctors kept her in the hospital for 24 hours.
 
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I know for a FACT that my wife had severe reactions to both doses of the Pfizer Covid 19 vaccine.
Both times the adverse reaction was so severe that the doctors kept her in the hospital for 24 hours.
I'm sorry your wife went through that, but there are similar (and worse) documented reactions to just about every vaccine in existence. The fact that someone had a poor reaction does not make a vaccine unsafe. What makes a vaccine unsafe is the proportion of severe reactions (and their actual severity) to minor/minimal/zero reactions, as well as the relative risks associated with actually catching the disease.
 
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That's fine - but if Dr. Ladapo is going to make claims, it is on him to provide evidence for those claims. Which is something that he has not done.

Well his claims seem to be...

1. Lipids in the vaccine allow mRNA to enter cells.

2. These same lipids can allow contaminant DNA to enter cells.

3. The FDA themselves ordered DNA contamination risk assessments.

4. The FDA did not perform the assessments from #3.

Which of these claims do you think he's incorrect about?

It seems like all of these should be verifiable or not.

1. Is he incorrect about the nature of lipids and mRNA in these vaccines?

2. If he's correct about #1, is he wrong about the possibility of a similar interaction with contaminant DNA? Is he wrong about the oddly specified examples of contaminant DNA he provided?

3. Has the FDA requested the tests he claims?

4. Has the FDA performed these tests?
 
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I know for a FACT that my wife had severe reactions to both doses of the Pfizer Covid 19 vaccine.
Both times the adverse reaction was so severe that the doctors kept her in the hospital for 24 hours.

I either caught covid early before the news of its circulation was well known.

Or the only time I caught it was quite literally between shot 1 and 2...Moderna.

Or I caught it before and was asymptomatic.
 
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Seems like he's correct about claim #1
 
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Seems he's at least partially right about #2 though I doubt this has been tried with every type of DNA nor would it need to be to be of concern.

 
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