An Index of SDA (Seventh Day Adventist) Errors

mmksparbud · Sep 23, 2016

Make sure that baking powder is aluminum free! That was the problem.

BelleC · Sep 24, 2016

mmksparbud said:
Make sure that baking powder is aluminum free! That was the problem.

weeell, technically that's only part of the problem. The other part is that both baking powder and baking soda destroy the B vitamins in whole grains. Safest method of raising dough is yeast, then thorough baking.

Basil the Great · Sep 28, 2016

I treated my aunt to lunch today. She turns age 90 tomorrow and I am reminded about the SDA in California who reportedly live long lives, supposedly due in large part to their mostly vegetarian diets.

bbbbbbb · Sep 28, 2016

Basil the Great said:
I treated my aunt to lunch today. She turns age 90 tomorrow and I am reminded about the SDA in California who reportedly live long lives, supposedly due in large part to their mostly vegetarian diets.

My mother lived to the ripe, old age of 91 and enjoyed pork all of her life. At the end of her life she really did not want to live longer because virtually all of her friends and relatives in her generation were gone.

Dale · Sep 29, 2016

Basil the Great said:
I treated my aunt to lunch today. She turns age 90 tomorrow and I am reminded about the SDA in California who reportedly live long lives, supposedly due in large part to their mostly vegetarian diets.

I didn't expect to be discussing nutrition on this thread. Since we are, I'll give a few quotes from the website of the Mayo Clinic on vegetarian diets.

“A vegan diet, for example, eliminates natural food sources of vitamin B-12, as well as milk products, which are good sources of calcium.”

“Vitamin B-12 is necessary to produce red blood cells and prevent anemia. This vitamin is found almost exclusively in animal products, so it can be difficult to get enough B-12 on a vegan diet. Vitamin B-12 deficiency may go undetected in people who eat a vegan diet.”

On Omega-3 Fatty Acids:

“However, because conversion of plant-based omega-3 to the types used by humans is inefficient, you may want to consider fortified products or supplements or both.”

On Iron and Zinc:

“Because iron isn't as easily absorbed from plant sources, the recommended intake of iron for vegetarians is almost double that recommended for nonvegetarians.”

“Like iron, zinc is not as easily absorbed from plant sources as it is from animal products.”

“ Zinc is an essential component of many enzymes and plays a role in cell division and in formation of proteins.”

On Iodine:

“Vegans may not get enough iodine and may be at risk of deficiency and possibly even a goiter.”

Link:

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...-eating/in-depth/vegetarian-diet/art-20046446

Basil the Great · Sep 29, 2016

By the way, I have read that many of the Essenes were vegetarians and some scholars believe that Jesus was associated with the Essenes, as they are one group that he never criticized by name.

Dale · Sep 29, 2016

Basil the Great said:
By the way, I have read that many of the Essenes were vegetarians and some scholars believe that Jesus was associated with the Essenes, as they are one group that he never criticized by name.

Luke 24:41-43King James Version (KJV)
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

King James Version (KJV)

VanillaSunflowers · Sep 30, 2016

BelleC said:
weeell, technically that's only part of the problem. The other part is that both baking powder and baking soda destroy the B vitamins in whole grains. Safest method of raising dough is yeast, then thorough baking.

Although if diagnosed with a candida infection, avoid yeast. As candida feeds on that and sugars. And dairy.

VanillaSunflowers · Sep 30, 2016

Wgw said:
My goal, in this post, is simply to enumerate all known doctrinal or practical errors taught by the Seventh Day Adventists under the influence of various false prophets.

The format of this post will consist of bullet points expressing the doctrinal statement as they make it. In some cases, where the view is not universally held by all Adventists, this will be noted through a qualification in parentheses:

Theological Errors

St. Michael and Jesus Christ are the same person.

Rejection of the Trinity (a belief historically mainstream in Adventism, now a minority view)

Eschatological Errors

An "investigative judgement" began in 1849

Annhilationism

Chiliasm

Impending enactment of worldwide legislation compelling Sunday worship

Mystagogical Errors

Ellen G. White is an inspired prophet

The "outpouring of prophecy" refers not so much to Pentecost as to her

Liturgical Errors

Sunday worship is an evil Roman Catholic conspiracy. (Minority view)

Christmas is pagan (Minority view)

Easter is pagan (Minority view)

Christians are required to keep the Sabbath

Practical Errors

Chrisrians may not consume pork or other "unclean" foods

~~Circumcision is mandatory~~ An error on my part, the Adventists prohibit this. Mea culpa.

Historical Errors

The period 538-1798 corresponds to the "1260 days," despite a clear lack of meaning.

Albigensians, Cathari, Donatists, Montanists, Waldensians et al were good, proto-Protestant, proto-Adventists

There are doubtless several errors I've missed. There are also peculiar Adventist practices like Academy for tweens which are not strictly speaking theological errors, but which are nontheless strange and contribute to a sectarian culture existing in a state of disharmony with the world.

Doctrinal error of soul sleep. Don't forget that one.

mmksparbud · Sep 30, 2016

VanillaSunflowers said:
Doctrinal error of soul sleep. Don't forget that one.

Yah--I am looking forward to it. That will probably be the only time I will ever finally get a good nights sleep!!
(the error is in not believing it, it was good enough for Jesus.)

Dale said:
I didn't expect to be discussing nutrition on this thread. Since we are, I'll give a few quotes from the website of the Mayo Clinic on vegetarian diets.

“A vegan diet, for example, eliminates natural food sources of vitamin B-12, as well as milk products, which are good sources of calcium.”

“Vitamin B-12 is necessary to produce red blood cells and prevent anemia. This vitamin is found almost exclusively in animal products, so it can be difficult to get enough B-12 on a vegan diet. Vitamin B-12 deficiency may go undetected in people who eat a vegan diet.”

On Omega-3 Fatty Acids:

“However, because conversion of plant-based omega-3 to the types used by humans is inefficient, you may want to consider fortified products or supplements or both.”

On Iron and Zinc:

“Because iron isn't as easily absorbed from plant sources, the recommended intake of iron for vegetarians is almost double that recommended for nonvegetarians.”

“Like iron, zinc is not as easily absorbed from plant sources as it is from animal products.”

“ Zinc is an essential component of many enzymes and plays a role in cell division and in formation of proteins.”

On Iodine:

“Vegans may not get enough iodine and may be at risk of deficiency and possibly even a goiter.”

Link:

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...-eating/in-depth/vegetarian-diet/art-20046446

I am not married to an SDA and we stick to the clean meats--and, unfortunately, have gotten used to a lot more meat than we should have. We both have had anemia, even though I use a lot of cast iron. We've also both had low B-12. Of all the vegetarians and vegans I've know, which is many, (a great many weren't even church members, in fact, the majority were not)there was one with a B-12 deficiency, none with low iron, none with low calcium. And that aunt of mine that lived to be over 100---she fell in her 90's twice---never broke a bone. She walked 4 miles a day, until she was 85, then the dr. cut her to 3 miles----up until the last year of her life. She was getting too forgetful and her daughter made her quite. She refused to walk with anyone and was getting absent minded, her daughter was afraid she'd forget the way home.

VanillaSunflowers · Oct 1, 2016

mmksparbud said:
Yah--I am looking forward to it. That will probably be the only time I will ever finally get a good nights sleep!!
(the error is in not believing it, it was good enough for Jesus.)

No it wasn't. Soul sleep isn't Biblical. That's why I added it as an SDA errant teaching.

mmksparbud · Oct 1, 2016

VanillaSunflowers said:
No it wasn't. Soul sleep isn't Biblical. That's why I added it as an SDA errant teaching.

Totally biblical---it is how Jesus referred to death.
Joh_11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh_11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Mat_9:24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.
Mar_5:39 And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
Luk_8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.

VanillaSunflowers · Oct 1, 2016

mmksparbud said:
Totally biblical---it is how Jesus referred to death.
Joh_11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh_11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Mat_9:24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.
Mar_5:39 And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
Luk_8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.

No, not at all the same thing. Death was thought of as sleeping because people appeared to be asleep when dead.

Soul Sleep is something else entirely. Look it up you'll be surprised.

mmksparbud · Oct 1, 2016

I have, I know exactly what it is. And so did Jesus. You may not believe it---never the less, it is entirely biblical.

BelleC · Oct 1, 2016

mmksparbud said:
I have, I know exactly what it is. And so did Jesus. You may not believe it---never the less, it is entirely biblical.

"Soul sleep" plays a huge part of why I am no longer Adventist. Jesus used the story of the rich man and Lazarus to teach. Even if parts of the story are possibly allegorical there is no way I can believe that Jesus would intentionally use a false concept (consciousness after death) to teach anything. All His other parables and teachings use real places and real things that can happen. He didn't just switch it up to permanently confuse Christians for all time. God is not the author of confusion. The dead may "know nothing" of what is happening on earth but the be out of the body is to be with Jesus, as Paul has said. When Jesus told the thief on the the cross that today he would be with Him in paradise, Jesus, the very Word of God, did not use language that could so easily be misinterpreted by moving a comma. Once we die with Jesus we inherit everlasting life. Nothing can separate us from Him again, not even physical death.

By the way there is no way the story of the rich man and Lazarus refers to heaven and hell either because Jesus had not yet died on the cross to open the way to heaven yet. I've heard that argument before. It's a red herring like "where did they bury the survivors."

mmksparbud · Oct 1, 2016

Your right to believe as you wish. It is one of the reasons I am SDA. When I was out if the church, and away from God completely, there were people I cared for that died. I would be very angry that they would be burning in hell forever, tortured for eternity. To believe that makes me angry. That a God that demands us to be just towards other's would be so unjust as that is abhorrent to me. And don't give me that baloney about we have no right to question God---yes we can---He allows that. The daughters of Zelophehad,
they complained to Moses of the unfairness of having no inheritance because their father had no sons--Moses took it to God and God agreed and gave them and eithers their inheritance if no sons.
Abraham asked God about destroying Sodom and got God to come down to if there were only 10 people, He would not destroy it. God is just---and it is absurd to me that God says
Heb_9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

But then the judgement is made immediately at death, with those going to heaven or hell right away before the day if judgement, makes no sense. It's crazy that y dear aunt, would be in heaven, looking at the horrible things I've had to endure and be happy about it. That those people who have died are all up there, being happy while the world is gutted with child molesters, murderers, drug addiction and all manner of filth and evil is ludicrous to me.
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(1Th 4:15 LITV) For we say this to you in the Word of the Lord, that we the living who remain to the coming of the Lord will not at all go before those who have fallen asleep.
(1Th 4:16 LITV) Because the Lord Himself shall come down from Heaven with a commanding shout of an archangel's voice, and with God's trumpet. And the dead in Christ will rise again first.
(1Th 4:17 LITV) Then we who remain alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to a meeting with the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
(1Th 4:18 LITV) So, then, comfort each other with these words.

You want to believe that this means some sort of plasma is up there with God--you may do so. I prefer to take it as it says---that the dead in Christ will arise at that last trump. It certainly makes more sense as far as being fair to everyone---we all wait for the Lord to get us and when He comes, the saved are raised and taken to heaven for the 1000 years
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
We have our judgement when He comes, the decision as to who is lost or saved has been made--the saved go to heaven---the lost wait for their resurrection unto judgement when their sins are viewed by all and their sentence is given--according to their works. How is it fair that Cain have been in hell fir His one murder since he died, but the serial killer that died yesterday starts his sentence when he dies--no matter what--Cain will have burned thousands of years longer than Hitler or any other sinner that died after him and still has eternity to go--that is just plain crazy. No, God is not the author of confusion and that is confusion, it is unjust, unfair and ridiculous for those who are supposed to be in heaven happily watching our misery and that of the whole world. That it is all dine at the same time for each class, saved or lost, is fair. We wait till the resurrection. If the church would ever change their stand in that---I would leave.

BelleC · Oct 1, 2016

mmksparbud said:
Your right to believe as you wish. It is one of the reasons I am SDA. When I was out if the church, and away from God completely, there were people I cared for that died. I would be very angry that they would be burning in hell forever, tortured for eternity. To believe that makes me angry. That a God that demands us to be just towards other's would be so unjust as that is abhorrent to me. And don't give me that baloney about we have no right to question God---yes we can---He allows that. The daughters of Zelophehad,
they complained to Moses of the unfairness of having no inheritance because their father had no sons--Moses took it to God and God agreed and gave them and eithers their inheritance if no sons.
Abraham asked God about destroying Sodom and got God to come down to if there were only 10 people, He would not destroy it. God is just---and it is absurd to me that God says
Heb_9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

But then the judgement is made immediately at death, with those going to heaven or hell right away before the day if judgement, makes no sense. It's crazy that y dear aunt, would be in heaven, looking at the horrible things I've had to endure and be happy about it. That those people who have died are all up there, being happy while the world is gutted with child molesters, murderers, drug addiction and all manner of filth and evil is ludicrous to me.
.
(1Th 4:15 LITV) For we say this to you in the Word of the Lord, that we the living who remain to the coming of the Lord will not at all go before those who have fallen asleep.
(1Th 4:16 LITV) Because the Lord Himself shall come down from Heaven with a commanding shout of an archangel's voice, and with God's trumpet. And the dead in Christ will rise again first.
(1Th 4:17 LITV) Then we who remain alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to a meeting with the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
(1Th 4:18 LITV) So, then, comfort each other with these words.

You want to believe that this means some sort of plasma is up there with God--you may do so. I prefer to take it as it says---that the dead in Christ will arise at that last trump. It certainly makes more sense as far as being fair to everyone---we all wait for the Lord to get us and when He comes, the saved are raised and taken to heaven for the 1000 years
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
We have our judgement when He comes, the decision as to who is lost or saved has been made--the saved go to heaven---the lost wait for their resurrection unto judgement when their sins are viewed by all and their sentence is given--according to their works. How is it fair that Cain have been in hell fir His one murder since he died, but the serial killer that died yesterday starts his sentence when he dies--no matter what--Cain will have burned thousands of years longer than Hitler or any other sinner that died after him and still has eternity to go--that is just plain crazy. No, God is not the author of confusion and that is confusion, it is unjust, unfair and ridiculous for those who are supposed to be in heaven happily watching our misery and that of the whole world. That it is all dine at the same time for each class, saved or lost, is fair. We wait till the resurrection. If the church would ever change their stand in that---I would leave.

I never said I believed that God tortured people for eternity. If the ultimate penalty for sin is death, then the penalty is death. If God said He grants us everlasting life through Christ, then we can trust Him in this also. God is Love and He is just and merciful. We can trust Him with those we love. He loves them more than we can fathom loving anything. While the rich man in Jesus' example was not happy or in a good place he was hardly in what many think of as a firey hell. And we don't know what God's ultimate plan for him is. Also in a place beyond time it is silly to try to compare Cain's possible sentence to Hitler's in terms of years. That's like trying to measure minutes with a measuring cup.

At the transfiguration Jesus did not speak with breaths or plasma, He spoke with Moses and Elijah. He is not the God of the dead but of the living. Did Jesus preach to personless breaths in prison in 1 Peter 3:19? Personless breaths who had been waiting since the time of Noah?

Also, imagine the Apostle Thomas. He doubted until he saw and touched. God accepted Him and met him right where he was. Will our just God of love condemn all others on earth who never have that opportunity? Is suddenly being resurrected, seeing, touching, and believing only to be sentenced to everlasting death in front of all who have loved you in your short time on earth really justice and better in your mind? Would heaven be heaven to you after witnessing this? Whether that awful reality lasts for forever or not makes it no less awful.

mmksparbud · Oct 1, 2016

Elijah was translated--never saw death. Mises was resurrected after his death.
Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

BelleC said:
While the rich man in Jesus' example was not happy or in a good place he was hardly in what many think of as a firey hell

The bible disagrees with you
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

BelleC said:
Also in a place beyond time it is silly to try to compare Cain's possible sentence to Hitler's in terms of years. That's like trying to measure minutes with a measuring cup.

No matter what---Cain will have been there way way longer than anyone else--and nothing in the bible says there is no time---just that it does not matter. It doesn't say there will be no sun, but that its light will not needed. The rotation of the earth will still continue.
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

BelleC said:
Is suddenly being resurrected, seeing, touching, and believing only to be sentenced to everlasting death in front of all who have loved you in your short time on earth really justice and better in your mind? Would heaven be heaven to you after witnessing this? Whether that awful reality lasts for forever or not makes it no less awful. googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1474449713049-1'); });

I believe this---
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

There is a judgement. The details are in the hands of God. He will be fair. It is according to their works, and God alone knows the heart of man.

BelleC · Oct 2, 2016

I agree with you about Elijah (of course!). Concerning Moses I am unclear what the devil meant to do with his body and what actually happened. Which spirits that were waiting since the days of Noah do you believe Jesus preached to? And what does it mean to be out of the body and with Jesus? Also, why would Jesus use a false concept to teach truth? God's word is eternal so He knew they would be read or heard outside of first century Israel.

1John2:4 · Oct 3, 2016

Wgw said:
My goal, in this post, is simply to enumerate all known doctrinal or practical errors taught by the Seventh Day Adventists under the influence of various false prophets.

The format of this post will consist of bullet points expressing the doctrinal statement as they make it. In some cases, where the view is not universally held by all Adventists, this will be noted through a qualification in parentheses:

Theological Errors

St. Michael and Jesus Christ are the same person.

Rejection of the Trinity (a belief historically mainstream in Adventism, now a minority view)

Eschatological Errors

An "investigative judgement" began in 1849

Annhilationism

Chiliasm

Impending enactment of worldwide legislation compelling Sunday worship

Mystagogical Errors

Ellen G. White is an inspired prophet

The "outpouring of prophecy" refers not so much to Pentecost as to her

Liturgical Errors

Sunday worship is an evil Roman Catholic conspiracy. (Minority view)

Christmas is pagan (Minority view)

Easter is pagan (Minority view)

Christians are required to keep the Sabbath

Practical Errors

Chrisrians may not consume pork or other "unclean" foods

~~Circumcision is mandatory~~ An error on my part, the Adventists prohibit this. Mea culpa.

Historical Errors

The period 538-1798 corresponds to the "1260 days," despite a clear lack of meaning.

Albigensians, Cathari, Donatists, Montanists, Waldensians et al were good, proto-Protestant, proto-Adventists

There are doubtless several errors I've missed. There are also peculiar Adventist practices like Academy for tweens which are not strictly speaking theological errors, but which are nontheless strange and contribute to a sectarian culture existing in a state of disharmony with the world.

Why is every one picking on SDAs we should not throw stones especially when our own denomination has a huge plank sticking out of its eye.

Pentecostals - drunk in the spirit, prosperity gospel, preachers having affairs.
Lutheran - ant Semitism, lesbian preachers
Catholic - well you that are Catholic are aware
Presbyterian - allowing gay marriage
Baptist - focused more on numbers than scripture (I know this I was Baptist for years) being relavent
Messianic - adopting Jewish tradition of man and using Talmud as scripture.
Those are just to name a few.
Not every person that identifies with a particular denomination holds true to the errors that others partake in.
I see a lot of people picking on SDAs on this forum and it really makes me sad. Let's not be a bunch of hypocrites guys!
Shalom

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