Lost In Religions

toLiJC said:

don't forget that we are in a forum for faith, so how can you say that the belief doesn't matter (at all)?!, every guileful villain could pretend they love their neighbor regardless of what the circumstances are, so what if some worshipers say they (ostensibly) love their neighbors but (really) believe deep in their hearts that their neighbors will suffer eternally for no rational reason?!, the true Lord God and His Saints have always tried to make good use of the time so as to shorten and reduce the hardships/sufferings as much as possible, while millions and even billions of heretical worshipers/clerics have brought all that great abomination of desolation to the holy place causing great harm to all humankind, and you still think just one human love is enough in this situation?!

Blessings

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I never said that "faith" doesn't matter. What I will say is that faith that doesn't not ride Love will have a very hard time reaching God, if at all.

redblue22 said:

is trust in the head or the heart?

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For balance, both.

dlamberth said:

Without Heart, especially one filled with Love...there is no way that God can be made a "reality" in a persons life. Mental concepts, beliefs or dogma is not God.

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dlamberth said:

I never said that "faith" doesn't matter. What I will say is that faith that doesn't not ride Love will have a very hard time reaching God, if at all.

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i still ask myself questions such as: what if we feel love but this doesn't save humankind - what will the use of such love be at all?!, i mean there could also be vain/hypocritical love, and especially the one that is based on spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness, what if we thus love our neighbors, and they ultimately perish remaining unsaved, possessed by devils, sick, dead, etc.?!, where is the effectiveness of faith?!

what if we profess great spirituality/religion but don't keep humankind unaffected by/free from the evil spirits?!, and how much more will we be guilty of sin if we bring occultism and idolatry to the world and thus make humankind be affected by devilish spirits such as kundalini, chakras, aum, sat-cit-ananda, etc., even if people so have great bliss living in interhuman love?!

i believe that only the true Lord God can save humankind, while we can at least heartily/wholeheartedly want there to be overall salvation in Him - and this is called faith, faith is also when we at least do not commit spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness, but there has also been a wrong faith, faith that ultimately doesn't result in full and permanent salvation for the humans in the true Lord God, even if it is accompanied by all other kinds of signs and wonders i.e. signs and wonders of the non-salvation (and destruction)

Blessings

redblue22 said:

is trust in the head or the heart?

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it should be in the One Who is really the true Lord God, while the heart and the mind are to do good/righteousness

Blessings

toLiJC said:

i still ask myself questions such as: what if we feel love but this doesn't save humankind - what will the use of such love so be?!, i mean there could also be vain/hypocritical love, and especially the one that is based on spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness, what if we thus love our neighbors, and they ultimately perish remaining unsaved, possessed by devils, sick, dead, etc.?!, where is the effectiveness of faith?!

what if we profess great spirituality/religion but don't keep humankind unaffected by/free from the evil spirits?!, and how much more will we be guilty of sin if we bring occultism and idolatry to the world and thus make humankind be affected by devilish spirits such as kundalini, chakras, aum, sat-cit-ananda, etc., even if people so have great bliss living in interhuman love?!

i believe that only the true Lord God can save humankind, while we can at least heartily/wholeheartedly want there to be overall salvation in Him - and this is called faith, faith is also when we at least do not commit spiritual unrighteousness/wickedness, but there has also been a wrong faith, faith that ultimately doesn't result in full and permanent salvation for the humans in the true Lord God, even if it is accompanied by all other kinds of signs and wonders i.e. signs and wonders of the non-salvation (and destruction)

Blessings

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Keep on keeping on, Brother.

"The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?
- New American Standard Version (1995)

Heart = flesh = mental = emotions. Heart is the citadel of the sinful nature. Heart is the product of brain, those machinations outside of the embrace of the Holy Spirit. The war between the sinful nature and the Spiritual Nature began with Adam and continues as of this writing. The Spiritual Nature, empowered by the Holy Spirit, wins, for all those who have confessed Romans 10:8-13 and are therefore embraced by Romans 8:1. HE/we win.

Freeing myself from "religion" was the best thing I could have ever done. I no longer have to worry about someone's pigeon hole or belief system...I am free to believe in the best way I can, live the best way I can and no longer worry if there's any reward/punishment to it. I live as I live because I believe it is the right way to live.

redblue22 said:

Sometimes people are rather put off by whatever beliefs they think I hold. Some condemn me according to their own faith. I always tend to wonder what religious system or faith they think I should accept. That is my question.

What beliefs, practices, religion should I have? (and maybe why?)

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You have the inheritance of salvation that was accomplished in the perfect righteousness of Jesus. There is no magic formula, no precept, no teaching, no doctrine, no works that will save you except the message of the cross by which we are saved through faith. Everything is found in the Word. I highly recommend reading about Jesus's teachings over and over and over before reading the Mosaic law which is where most unbelievers are put off because the Word is meant for believers (I say that but I really need to read from Genesis-Revelation in chronological order, I've been putting it off for awhile). The reality is Christ gave us all authority and power to walk in all spiritual gifts as sons of the Father. While some may try and disqualify you from this reality with theological baloney, doctrine, law, and accreditation, please walk in the confidence that you are free to explore any way you wish. However we can't be angry at God if we get burned through poor choices. I hope this helps in all of its loving abrasiveness. Be free of that religious spirit that enslaves so many. Walk in the familial relationship with Father and His great love for you no matter the circumstances.

toLiJC said:

i believe that only the true Lord God can save humankind, ....

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And I believe that it is only us Human Beings who can save humankind.

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dlamberth said:

And I believe that it is only us Human Beings who can save humankind.

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yes, it is so from another viewpoint, but only if we believe in the One Who is really the true Lord God right (enough), and yet He is the One that executes the good prayers/wishes, while we the humans are the ones that can ask (the) good things of Him, that is why Jesus said: "This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting."(Mark 9:29)

Blessings

RedPonyDriver said:

Freeing myself from "religion" was the best thing I could have ever done. I no longer have to worry about someone's pigeon hole or belief system...I am free to believe in the best way I can, live the best way I can and no longer worry if there's any reward/punishment to it. I live as I live because I believe it is the right way to live.

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It's a good way to be.

Winken said:

"The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?
- New American Standard Version (1995)

Heart = flesh = mental = emotions. Heart is the citadel of the sinful nature. Heart is the product of brain, those machinations outside of the embrace of the Holy Spirit. The war between the sinful nature and the Spiritual Nature began with Adam and continues as of this writing. The Spiritual Nature, empowered by the Holy Spirit, wins, for all those who have confessed Romans 10:8-13 and are therefore embraced by Romans 8:1. HE/we win.

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A focus too much on 'heart' and emotion is usually not a good thing. Can lead one astray. I can only assume dlamberth means something more like our 'true selves' or 'Buddha Nature' or perhaps if one is a Christian the 'Holy Spirit'.

gordRedeemed said:

A focus too much on 'heart' and emotion is usually not a good thing. Can lead one astray. I can only assume dlamberth means something more like our 'true selves' or 'Buddha Nature' or perhaps if one is a Christian the 'Holy Spirit'.

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I don't know what else to call it other than "Heart". Heart isn't emotion, it's more of an awareness, part of consciousness as a Human Being. It's that part of us that feels compassion, the Oneness of the earth, that touches us when we see a child laughing, that causes us to cry when we see a wonderful performance or the love a mother has for her new born child. There's a balance needed between brain and heart. We have forgotten the heart part. It's become even worse in our obsession with our technologically driven civilization with its ever-present smartphones, computers and televisions. Today, the Wonders of nature, which is a Heart experience, only happens behind a window or on TV. The experiencing of the sacredness of life and all of creation has dimmed and become less accessible which has followed in line with the dimming of Heart. Heart is anther way of knowing. We have two brains, the one in our heard and the other our Heart. Heart has not been lost on the indigenous people, they know what Heart is. The mystics, shamans and saints know. But we so called civilized have to ask what Heart is because it's been lost to us. And for us spiritually minded people, our practices can become dry and a project of the mind alone if Heart is not involved because Compassion and Love are necessary on the spiritual path.

toLiJC said:

yes, it is so from another viewpoint, but only if we believe in the One Who is really the true Lord God right (enough), and yet He is the One that executes the good prayers/wishes, while we the humans are the ones that can ask (the) good things of Him, that is why Jesus said: "This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting."(Mark 9:29)

Blessings

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It isn't what we believe, it's how we Love. That's what makes us a more human, Human Being. And that's what will save humankind.

dlamberth said:

It isn't what we believe, it's how we Love. That's what makes us a more human, Human Being. And that's what will save humankind.

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i can remember some worshipers that constantly spoke about love and pointed out their god is ostensibly the god of love, but actually they professed satanism in the form of esotericism(idolatry and occultism) - those people were more aggressive than all others, which was quite visible though they tried to conceal it, even i personally saw how they really curse and destroy people day and night - it was their usual (i say not just pursuit but) amusement, they just passed themselves and others so superficially through all that fire of hell - so are you really earnest?!, wasn't it you that in another thread promoted listening to and reiteration of hare kirshna mantras?!, i ask you this, because that your so-called love is still questionable to me - you seem irresponsible

Blessings

toLiJC said:

i can remember some worshipers that constantly spoke about love and pointed out their god is ostensibly the god of love, but actually they professed satanism in the form of esotericism(idolatry and occultism) - those people were more aggressive than all others, which was quite visible though they tried to conceal it, even i personally saw how they really curse and destroy people day and night - it was their usual (i say not just pursuit but) amusement, they just passed themselves and others so superficially through all that fire of hell - so are you really earnest?!, wasn't it you that in another thread promoted listening to and reiteration of hare kirshna mantras?!, i ask you this, because that your so-called love is still questionable to me - you seem irresponsible

Blessings

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I would never curse the uninsured.

toLiJC said:

i ask you this, because that your so-called love is still questionable to me - you seem irresponsible

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I'm not understanding why Love is so hard. No wonder we have so much division, anger, fear and wars.

toLiJC said:

...wasn't it you that in another thread promoted listening to and reiteration of hare kirshna mantras?!,

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I'm just drawn to chants. Be they Christian, Buddhist, Sufi, Hindu, Kirtan, Sikhism...they have a way of lifting me up to God.

Eudaimonist said:

Buddhism, or at least some forms of Buddhism.

While Western religions certainly fit your definition, the eastern dharmas don't necessarily and are still considered religions.

Defining religion, and the difficulties in coming up with a simple definition that applies to all of recognized religions, was the subject of the first class of Philosophy of Religion that I had way back when. It wasn't as simple as identifying a god.

I am sympathetic to using the word religion in a western way to indicate beliefs and practices related to entering into a relationship with some sort of deity (where the relationship could be anything from throwing virgins into volcanoes, to being "saved" and guaranteed a spot in heaven), though I would have to reserve that word for western purposes only. I'd have to use "dharma" to refer to eastern worldviews, and treat that as a different issue.


eudaimonia,

Mark

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Mahayana Buddhism is the majority school , and are agnostic theists