I'm glad we are dust in the wind

rockytopva · Feb 11, 2016

From the Point of No Return Album

Murby · Feb 11, 2016

And you were doing so good until you said this:

AlexDTX said:
but many have come back from the dead. I include the biblical accounts, but I am specifically referring to hospital accounts. How can someone cease to be then return to life? If they cease to exist, then they are nothing. Nothing can not come back to life, only a something. Your assumption that life ceases is erroneous.

People who are dead do not come back period.. period, period.
People can seem like they are dead and sometimes incompetent doctors may think they are dead.. But once you're dead, you're dead.

rockytopva · Feb 11, 2016

Murby said:
And you were doing so good until you said this:

People who are dead do not come back period.. period, period.
People can seem like they are dead and sometimes incompetent doctors may think they are dead.. But once you're dead, you're dead.

Except for that time Jesus came back from the dead!

juvenissun · Feb 11, 2016

Murby said:
I think just the opposite actually. But your statement here brings up another thought...

What would your thoughts on religion be if our technology was one day capable of making an exact duplicate copy of you? And I don't mean a clone.. I mean an exact copy complete with all your memories, scars, blemishes, history, etc etc.. Every atom, every quantum state, copied exactly.
Extend that technology and your exact person can be stored on a hard drive, and reassembled as a perfect copy of the original without degradation.. So your "person" is recorded, and saved when you are 20 years old.. then every year or month after that.. Eventually when you reach old age, or die due to an unfortunate event, we can recall your data and recreate you exactly like you were the last time a recording was made or at any previous saved recording.. You could live forever.

Consider this carefully....
What would your thoughts be for your soul? Thoughts about religion? Would anything change? Or would you just assume there's another exact YOU there and think nothing more of it?

It is impossible to have an exact copy of me in our world. I know this not from science, but from theology.

My resurrected body will keep all the spiritual part of me. That is closest version to your imagination. But my body will be far better than what I have now. So, the whole resurrected me is much better than what you can think.

Murby · Feb 11, 2016

juvenissun said:
It is impossible to have an exact copy of me in our world. I know this not from science, but from theology.

Not so fast there.. Looks like science says it is possible. Scientist are already duplicating quantum states and then teleporting that information to another location which makes an exact replica of the same quantum state. Read up on Quantum Entanglement and you'll be amazed at what is possible. Lots of youtube video's putting into layman's language to watch.

Its sort of like the Wright Brothers first flight of only a very short distance.

Eryk · Feb 11, 2016

Chesterton said:
I really agree much more with cloudyday on this. Meaning is either something real or it's not. I've never understood how anyone could ever be satisfied either intellectually or emotionally with "creating" or "imbuing" something that they know isn't real.

It doesn't necessarily mean that meaning is invented from scratch by every person. It means that every person has to think the matter through for himself, it has to make sense to the thinker, and everyone has their own passion. Your goals are your own because no one else can want them for you.

gord44 · Feb 11, 2016

brinny said:
I'm glad we are dust in the wind

This reminds me of the book of Ecclesiastes.

The title of your thread reminds me of this:

Whenever I hear that song now I just think of Old School.

Eudaimonist · Feb 11, 2016

cloudyday2 said:
I was thinking about this today. Life is meaningless, and that is a relief. What I do right doesn't last, but what I do wrong doesn't last either. I do far more wrong than right, so that is why I'm glad.

Maybe you should try doing more right than wrong for a change, and then you will find meaning in life, even if what is right "doesn't last".

eudaimonia,

Mark

cloudyday2 · Feb 11, 2016

Freedom = irrelevance

Eudaimonist · Feb 11, 2016

cloudyday2 said:
Freedom = irrelevance

I don't follow you. What are you trying to say here?

eudaimonia,

Mark

cloudyday2 · Feb 11, 2016

Eudaimonist said:
I don't follow you. What are you trying to say here?

eudaimonia,

Mark

You know the "butterfly effect". I am glad that flapping my little wings doesn't change a thing in the long run. If I was that butterfly whose wings made a difference, then I would need to worry about what I do. Do I fly here or fly there? Did I fly wrong? ... Fortunately I can fly anywhere I want, and nobody will care in a hundred years. I will be forgotten, and everybody who knew me will be forgotten. Dust in the wind.

Blondepudding · Feb 11, 2016

rockytopva said:
From the Point of No Return Album

Classic!

Robban · Feb 11, 2016

Murby said:
And you were doing so good until you said this:

People who are dead do not come back period.. period, period.
People can seem like they are dead and sometimes incompetent doctors may think they are dead.. But once you're dead, you're dead.

A body is a body, a body is not a person.

The soul is the self, the "I" that inhabits the body and acts through it

Without the soul, the body is like a light bulb without electricity.
A soul is formed in the womb of supernal spiritual realms,
where it acquires its distinct identity.

First must come the body,
for a soul without a body is but a ghost,
a disembodied spirit with neither grasp of nor effect upon the
terrain of reality.

Nothing shall be impossible for man,
but,
Life comes from the One who blew into its nostrils the breath of Life.

What is dead is dead,
what is alive is alive.

Life after Life.

Blondepudding · Feb 11, 2016

Nothing shall be impossible for man,

Except for living in peace with other people who believe in a different one that gave breath to their human life.

juvenissun · Feb 11, 2016

Murby said:
Not so fast there.. Looks like science says it is possible. Scientist are already duplicating quantum states and then teleporting that information to another location which makes an exact replica of the same quantum state. Read up on Quantum Entanglement and you'll be amazed at what is possible. Lots of youtube video's putting into layman's language to watch.

Its sort of like the Wright Brothers first flight of only a very short distance.

It gives a remote hope. But I am sure it is not possible.

Robban · Feb 11, 2016

Blondepudding said:
Except for living in peace with other people who believe in a different one that gave breath to their human life.

"I am for Peace, but when I speak,
they are for war."

(Psalms)

Blondepudding · Feb 11, 2016

juvenissun said:
It is impossible to have an exact copy of me in our world. I know this not from science, but from theology.

My resurrected body will keep all the spiritual part of me. That is closest version to your imagination. But my body will be far better than what I have now. So, the whole resurrected me is much better than what you can think.

And yet you think that because you have faith not proof.
Meaning no disrespect to your faith. You imagine what you've been told is God, is. And that is the cause of all that you know in this material universe.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.
Rather than that being imagined to be a spiritual harmonic convergence of energies that formed a Father creator, what if the scribe of John was telling you that the God of faith is the God first created by man in writing?

Blondepudding · Feb 11, 2016

Eudaimonist · Feb 11, 2016

Robban said:
Without the soul, the body is like a light bulb without electricity.

Vitalism has been thoroughly discredited by modern science.

I'd say that personhood is a power of the body. Personhood is what bodies do when they are in good functioning order. Our "energy source" is food.

eudaimonia,

Mark

Eudaimonist · Feb 11, 2016

cloudyday2 said:
You know the "butterfly effect". I am glad that flapping my little wings doesn't change a thing in the long run. If I was that butterfly whose wings made a difference, then I would need to worry about what I do. Do I fly here or fly there? Did I fly wrong? ... Fortunately I can fly anywhere I want, and nobody will care in a hundred years. I will be forgotten, and everybody who knew me will be forgotten. Dust in the wind.

This thought seems to comfort you, and I'm not sure that I should mess with that. However, as I see it, the past has always happened, and you have either made something of your brief existence, or you will have wasted it.

eudaimonia,

Mark

I'm glad we are dust in the wind

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... and God saw that it was good.

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I believe in life before death!

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Who Sprinkled You With Grumpy Dust?

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... and God saw that it was good.

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