What is the greatest moral threat to Christianity in the U.S.?

KCfromNC · Feb 10, 2016

PeaceByJesus said:
Maybe liberals are as just desperate, as the conclusions of that one study, that more conservative/religious states = more sex searches = more support of inappropriate content seems quite dubious, which some of the comments find. How they factored in differences in population, poverty rate and Internet use is not said, and population density, education level and percent of youth is absent (Internet inappropriate content subscriptions are particularly widespread in states with young populations, in the 15 to 24 age group, and Maine Vermont and New Hampshire have the oldest, and are far down in the ratings on sex searches).

And while the map is hard to read, but presuming the higher blocks represent the highest in ratings, among other issues it has Oklahoma, which according to here was the most evangelical state in 2008, far far below liberal California and New York. I would have to do more research to better analyze this.

In addition to other factors, those with more money would be more likely to procure cable and online subscriptions and not need to search for inappropriate content.

Moreover, as one who has lived in a poor, multi ethnic high population density inner city for 22 years, i can tell you that you have both the highest amounts of devout Christians as well as the most crime. One building can be having worship service and another is doing drug deals and parties. And more youth also correlates to more crime.

I anxiously await your research which includes these factors in your study.

It has much to do your argument, that Christians make up the vast majority of the prison population, for as said, that would be expected if they make up 76% of the US pop. anyway!

Sounds like you're agreeing with me, then.

That is so vague as to be meaningless, while survey after survey testifies to evangelicals being the most unified in basic beliefs and values.

There's more to Christianity than evangelicals.

I have never heard of an atheist ever appealing to any sure and supreme moral document/standard to which he was held

I have.

I have seen atheists both oppose fornication as well as laud it, as both seem right to them.

Same with Christians. I don't see the point.

KCfromNC · Feb 10, 2016

redleghunter said:
LOL, an incomplete report is just that. Incomplete. You get a "D" for at least trying.

You seem to be laboring under the misconception that your approval means anything to me one way or the other.

dayhiker · Feb 10, 2016

This presentation shows what I consider to be the biggest problem in America.
http://www.utrend.tv/v/9-out-of-10-americans-are-completely-wrong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact/

PeaceByJesus · Feb 10, 2016

KCfromNC said:
I anxiously await your research which includes these factors in your study.

Since is your source then i I anxiously await for you to supply what is lacking and needed for your argument.

Sounds like you're agreeing with me, then.

How can that be unless your argument was not to make it look like a far smaller percentage of the total atheistic population is immoral versus Christians.

There's more to Christianity than evangelicals.

Then finally show me how what you include and have included as being Christianity (names) corresponds to the morals and basic doctrine that the NT describes as being salvific faith. Do not plead "interpretation," as this can be reasonably manifest.

I have.

Which leaves me still never actually hearing/knowing of one .

Same with Christians. I don't see the point.

The point is obvious, that while a Christian who affirms fornication is clearly teaching contrary to NT Christian faith, in contrast, without a sure and supreme moral document/standard then atheists can disagree on such a basic issue of morality, even changeably from time to time if need be, and as a group offer no standard to hold them to, and no basic assurance of moral behavior.

PeaceByJesus · Feb 10, 2016

TLK Valentine said:
So what?

You seem to be out of the loop as regards the argument being responded to, while as for agnostics/atheists as a group claiming any moral supremacy, that is absurd: how many even appeal to a supreme standard for defining what is moral, versus whatever seems right to each individual?

TLK Valentine · Feb 10, 2016

PeaceByJesus said:
You seem to be out of the loop as regards the argument being responded to, while as for agnostics/atheists as a group claiming any moral supremacy, that is absurd: how many even appeal to a supreme standard for defining what is moral, versus whatever seems right to each individual?

What Supreme Standard?

redleghunter · Feb 10, 2016

TLK Valentine said:
What Supreme Standard?

The atheist Humpty Dumpty supreme standard:

TLK Valentine · Feb 10, 2016

redleghunter said:
The atheist Humpty Dumpty supreme standard:

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So... no answer, then?

redleghunter · Feb 10, 2016

TLK Valentine said:
So... no answer, then?

Be like Alice and ask.

TLK Valentine · Feb 10, 2016

redleghunter said:
Be like Alice and ask.

I did ask. You gave a non-answer.

Chris B · Feb 11, 2016

redleghunter said:
The atheist Humpty Dumpty supreme standard:

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Do you really want to stand by that?
Personally I spend more time trying to get clear definitions of terms from theists than ever I do trying to stick my own personal meanings onto words.

And off-hand I can't think of anything I would describe using the terms "supreme standard."

“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”
Not all. In context Humpty's wrong: inventing a personal meaning is an obstacle to communication: your meaning has been inappropriately flagged / labelled to produce the same meaning in the receiver's mind.
But more broadly, if enough people use a word wrongly that can become its "real" meaning. The master being, on some occasions, the public (Often to the horror or weariness of those who would use the word in its sense before being hi-jacked, or moulded through misunderstanding.)

But this is characteristically or exclusively a behaviour of atheists?
I'd need to see a case being made.

PeaceByJesus · Feb 11, 2016

TLK Valentine said:
What Supreme Standard?

What is your argument? See below for the context of what you were responding to.

PeaceByJesus · Feb 11, 2016

Chris B said:
Do you really want to stand by that?
Personally I spend more time trying to get clear definitions of terms from theists than ever I do trying to stick my own personal meanings onto words.

And off-hand I can't think of anything I would describe using the terms "supreme standard."

What you are responding to was a result of a statement i had made in response to an atheist criticizing church discipline, which i argued was valid in principle since there is such a thing as a standard for true Christian faith, "as we have a supreme descriptive definitive source of the title "Christian," (Acts 11:26)" and that "I have never heard of an atheist ever appealing to any sure and supreme moral document/standard to which he was held...I have seen atheists both oppose fornication as well as laud it, as both seem right to them."

TLK Valentine · Feb 11, 2016

PeaceByJesus said:
What is your argument? See below for the context of what you were responding to.

Acts 11:26? That doesn't explain what this alleged supreme standard is.

Chris B · Feb 11, 2016

PeaceByJesus said:
What you are responding to was a result of a statement i had made in response to an atheist criticizing church discipline, which i argued was valid in principle since there is such a thing as a standard for true Christian faith, "as we have a supreme descriptive definitive source of the title "Christian," (Acts 11:26)" and that "I have never heard of an atheist ever appealing to any sure and supreme moral document/standard to which he was held...I have seen atheists both oppose fornication as well as laud it, as both seem right to them."

Thank you. Not as bad in context as it appeared as I saw it. I'm not sure that
"as we have a supreme descriptive definitive source of the title "Christian," is a neat and complete answer though, given how differently supreme authority is taken in some Christian denomination, (to the point that not all regard all the others as truly Christian)

SkyWriting · Feb 11, 2016

Davian said:
So we can conclude that religion is the problem? Or is it the religionists?

Drawing conclusions after 5 posts is not good research.

SkyWriting · Feb 11, 2016

ChristJudgeOfAll said:
2) Consumerism

Focus on this world is the problem.

SkyWriting · Feb 11, 2016

dayhiker said:
The biggest threat to America in my mind has been the wealthy have the tax laws setup now so they collect 95% or so of the wealth generated in the US. So the country is moving toward the few have almost everything and most needing assistance from the government to get by.

That is one aspect. Focus on this world is the problem.

SkyWriting · Feb 11, 2016

pakicetus said:
It's just that in my experience, too many Christians care much more about masturbation, inappropriate contentography and homosexuality than poverty and hatred, which a lot of them actually defend.

That would be an interesting proposition to support.
Is there a church I can attend to evaluate?

ViaCrucis · Feb 11, 2016

ChristJudgeOfAll said:
1) Islamic terrorists

2) Consumerism

3) Spread of atheism.

4) Global Warming

5) Expansion of LGBT rights

6) Atheist Terrorists

7) Christian Fundamental Terrorists

8) Atheist Doctors in abortion clinics

9) Obamacare

10) Satanists

None of the above, the right answer is:

11) Neo-Conservatism, The Religious Right, and Christian Reconstructionism

-CryptoLutheran

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