Am I conservative enough to be considered conservative

OrthodoxForever · Dec 10, 2015

I know I'm not liberal enough to be considered liberals, liberals tend to come to hate me within the first 10 minutes because I disagree with some of their wackier stuff...

1. I believe in total gender equality between men and women, I don't use the label of 'feminist' to describe myself because these days that usually refers to the man and child hating stuff and that is not me at all. I guess I'm a suffragette...

2. I hate abortion, I think that there's a better choice at least 48 times out of 50, the exceptions being serious risk to the mother's physical health and cases of rape/incest

3. I'm tolerant of other religions and people of those religions, I generally witness through Christ-like behavior and leave it at that unless they ask me questions

4. There is no reason, in fact from what I have read of scripture it's a sin to discriminate against or bully someone based on sexual orientation or relationship status.

5. If its in a secular country, same-sex marriage, and same sex couples adopting children should both be legal and whether each faith or denomination supports that should be for them to decide, but legally, it shouldn't be an issue, if it's a sin, as I believe the Bible makes it clear that it is, for two men or two women to be married that's still between them and God.

6. Divorce should be a last resort.

7. Alcohol should only be consumed if it's the wine some churches including my own use for Holy Communion.

8. The Bible, the complete canon of scripture used by the early church, is the word of God written by men who were inspired of the Holy Ghost

9. I'm not a KJV only person but I tend to avoid more liberal translations such as the MSG, NIV, NRSV as I see too much denominational slant in the word choice that is used in them.

Any other issues you can think of that would help you decide how to answer my question just ask...

Job8 · Dec 10, 2015

OrthodoxForever said:
1. I believe in total gender equality between men and women,...

Within the Body of Christ, gender does not matter. However within the home and local church each gender has a distinct and different role.

2. I hate abortion, I think that there's a better choice at least 48 times out of 50, the exceptions being serious risk to the mother's physical health and cases of rape/incest

Abortion is murder and should be treated as such.

3. I'm tolerant of other religions and people of those religions, I generally witness through Christ-like behavior and leave it at that unless they ask me questions

One can be "tolerant" of other religions in that all religions outside of Bible Christianity are false. Therefore all religionists need to hear the Gospel and be saved.

4. There is no reason, in fact from what I have read of scripture it's a sin to discriminate against or bully someone based on sexual orientation or relationship status.

While discrimination and bullying are unChristian, certain sexual orientations are sinful perversions, and turning a blind eye to that does not help.

5. If its in a secular country, same-sex marriage, and same sex couples adopting children should both be legal..

What people do privately is their business. But the definition of marriage cannot and should not be changed to accommodate sexual perversion.

6. Divorce should be a last resort.

And only for one specific reason -- adultery.

7. Alcohol should only be consumed if it's the wine some churches including my own use for Holy Communion.

Why make an exception?

8. The Bible, the complete canon of scripture used by the early church, is the word of God written by men who were inspired of the Holy Ghost

Since the apostolic church rejected the Apocrypha, the canon would consist of 66 books.

9. I'm not a KJV only person but I tend to avoid more liberal translations such as the MSG, NIV, NRSV as I see too much denominational slant in the word choice that is used in them.

The KJV is the most faithful English translation at present.

On balance you are conservative in your theology and left-liberal in your politics. A strange mix.

OrthodoxForever · Dec 10, 2015

Job8 said:
Abortion is murder and should be treated as such.

If it kills the mother, we risk losing 2 lives instead of 1

Job8 said:
While discrimination and bullying are unChristian, certain sexual orientations are sinful perversions, and turning a blind eye to that does not help.

In my own experience, hatred and condemnation doesn't do anything to bring those who need help toward the truth, if anything it shoves them farther away.

Job8 said:
What people do privately is their business. But the definition of marriage cannot and should not be changed to accommodate sexual perversion.

It's already been changed, state marriage and religious marriage have been separate things for centuries, all I'm saying is that legally people should have the freedom to make their own decisions. The definition of religious marriage doesn't have to change

Job8 said:
And only for one specific reason -- adultery.

Adultery, being Unequally Yoked, and to escape an abusive relationship

Job8 said:
Why make an exception?

1. It's what was used by Christ Himself when He instituted communion in the first place
2. 1 tiny sip of wine that's probably watered down anyway and had for religious purposes is a bit different than sitting in a pub drinking bloody maries all afternoon

Job8 said:
Since the apostolic church rejected the Apocrypha, the canon would consist of 66 books.

Actually the apostolic church has affirmed the Apocrypha since the same time they affirmed the other 66, that was only ever called into question by heretics who for valid reasons rebelled against a corrupt offshoot of the original Apostolic Church. Don't bring up the council of Trent argument because that council didn't involve us for one and second all it did for the Catholics was reaffirm what they believed in the face of Protestant decent.

Job8 said:
The KJV is the most faithful English translation at present.

The original KJV included the Apocrypha, and if you open a history book you will find that it was a politically motivated translation ordered by the King to sure up the monarchy during a time of religious upheaval and societal unrest

jimmyjimmy · Dec 12, 2015

OrthodoxForever said:
1. I believe in total gender equality between men and women, I don't use the label of 'feminist' to describe myself because these days that usually refers to the man and child hating stuff and that is not me at all. I guess I'm a suffragette...

If "total gender equality" means that gender roles are interchangeable, then this is not a conservative position.

OrthodoxForever said:
2. I hate abortion, I think that there's a better choice at least 48 times out of 50, the exceptions being serious risk to the mother's physical health and cases of rape/incest

Killing an unborn baby is killing an unborn baby.

OrthodoxForever said:
3. I'm tolerant of other religions and people of those religions, I generally witness through Christ-like behavior and leave it at that unless they ask me questions

This tends to reveal that you might not believe the gospel yourself because if you did, you would want to spread the good news. If you think that people are OK in false religions, that's not a conservative position.

OrthodoxForever said:
4. There is no reason, in fact from what I have read of scripture it's a sin to discriminate against or bully someone based on sexual orientation or relationship status.

The way you phrase this is very Liberal. This is not a conservative position. It's a Liberals false idea of a conservative position is.

OrthodoxForever said:
5. If its in a secular country, same-sex marriage, and same sex couples adopting children should both be legal and whether each faith or denomination supports that should be for them to decide, but legally, it shouldn't be an issue, if it's a sin, as I believe the Bible makes it clear that it is, for two men or two women to be married that's still between them and God.

This is a completely Liberal statement. No sin is strictly between an individual and God alone. Sin tears at culture, society, families, friends and neighbors. Children need a mother and a father. To subject child to living in the way you condone, children who have no say in the matter, is harming them for starters. Again, you take a Liberal position.

OrthodoxForever said:
6. Divorce should be a last resort.

This is not a biblical or conservative position. Divorce is allowed in cases of adultery and abandonment only.

OrthodoxForever said:
7. Alcohol should only be consumed if it's the wine some churches including my own use for Holy Communion.

This is not a Liberal or conservative position, and it's definitely not a biblical one. Jesus drank wine. He even made some out of water for a wedding, not a church service. There will also be the finest wine at the wedding feast of the Lamb. Are you are prepared to tell Him that he's wrong?

OrthodoxForever said:
8. The Bible, the complete canon of scripture used by the early church, is the word of God written by men who were inspired of the Holy Ghost

Well, you have 1 out of 9 correct, at least.

OrthodoxForever said:
9. I'm not a KJV only person but I tend to avoid more liberal translations such as the MSG, NIV, NRSV as I see too much denominational slant in the word choice that is used in them.

Liberals don't like any version of the Bible. Its truths are very disagreeable to them, but many conservatives read other translations.

Unfortunately, you are a Liberal, just not a flaming one. Your general philosophy shows a picking a choosing on these issues, which is not the way conservatives do things. We "conserve" things like scripture or the Constitution. Christian conservatives come to our positions by looking to scripture, not our feels our what the culture tells us.

OrthodoxForever · Dec 12, 2015

thatbrian said:
If "total gender equality" means that gender roles are interchangeable, then this is not a conservative position.

Killing an unborn baby is killing an unborn baby.

This tends to reveal that you might not believe the gospel yourself because if you did, you would want to spread the good news. If you think that people are OK in false religions, that's not a conservative position.

The way you phrase this is very Liberal. This is not a conservative position. It's a Liberals false idea of a conservative position is.

This is a completely Liberal statement. No sin is strictly between an individual and God alone. Sin tears at culture, society, families, friends and neighbors. Children need a mother and a father. To subject child to living in the way you condone, children who have no say in the matter, is harming them for starters. Again, you take a Liberal position.

This is not a biblical or conservative position. Divorce is allowed in cases of adultery and abandonment only.

This is not a Liberal or conservative position, and it's definitely not a biblical one. Jesus drank wine. He even made some out of water for a wedding, not a church service. There will also be the finest wine at the wedding feast of the Lamb. Are you are prepared to tell Him that he's wrong?

Well, you have 1 out of 9 correct, at least.

Liberals don't like any version of the Bible. Its truths are very disagreeable to them, but many conservatives read other translations.

Unfortunately, you are a Liberal, just not a flaming one. Your general philosophy shows a picking a choosing on these issues, which is not the way conservatives do things. We "conserve" things like scripture or the Constitution. Christian conservatives come to our positions by looking to scripture, not our feels our what the culture tells us.

See, I've never found that to be true. Conservatives and liberals alike seem to hate scripture and the truths it tells. If you would really "conserve" scripture you would open it and read what it has to say. It will tell you that hatred will get you nowhere in bringing others to the truth whether they are homosexual or Hindu. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that, darkness does not drive ou darkness only light can do that.

I do not "go with the culture" or whatever else you would accuse me or any other supposed liberal of doing. I actually read scripture, I also educate myself in the science and history surrounding these things, looking at all the evidence in front of me, I make a decision.

jimmyjimmy · Dec 13, 2015

Disagreement is not hatred; however, Liberals often confuse the two. They tend to cry, "hater" at the first sign of disagreement with them. So, back to the OP: I see your reply as more evidence that you are not conservative.

"I actually read scripture, I also educate myself in the science and history surrounding these things, looking at all the evidence in front of me, I make a decision."

Conservative Christians form their understanding of truth, first and foremost from scripture. Scientific data change and history is incomplete. On top of that, sometimes, I must ignore the "evidence" of my own eyes, and look to God's promise instead. Didn't Peter do that when he walked on water? Don't sinners do that when they know their guilt yet receive forgiveness? Don't imprisoned and persecuted Christians have to ignore what they see and trust that God loves them in spite of what they see?

Your answer keeps *you* in charge. You are the final determiner of truth, after you've examined your sources. In my conservative understanding, God determines truth, and I conform to it, not the other way around. This is what separates a conservative from a liberal.

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
and do not lean on your own understanding.
6 In all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make straight your paths.
7 Be not wise in your own eyes; (Prov. 3:5-7)

OrthodoxForever · Dec 13, 2015

thatbrian said:
Disagreement is not hatred; however, Liberals often confuse the two. They tend to cry, "hater" at the first sign of disagreement with them. So, back to the OP: I see your reply as more evidence that you are not conservative.

"I actually read scripture, I also educate myself in the science and history surrounding these things, looking at all the evidence in front of me, I make a decision."

Conservative Christians form their understanding of truth, first and foremost from scripture. Scientific data change and history is incomplete. On top of that, sometimes, I must ignore the "evidence" of my own eyes, and look to God's promise instead. Didn't Peter do that when he walked on water? Don't sinners do that when they know their guilt yet receive forgiveness? Don't imprisoned and persecuted Christians have to ignore what they see and trust that God loves them in spite of what they see?

Your answer keeps *you* in charge. You are the final determiner of truth, after you've examined your sources. In my conservative understanding, God determines truth, and I conform to it, not the other way around. This is what separates a conservative from a liberal.

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
and do not lean on your own understanding.
6 In all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make straight your paths.
7 Be not wise in your own eyes; (Prov. 3:5-7)

Isn't it funny that you think I accept/agree with these things (I assume you're referring to same-sex marriage) when if you actually read what I would said, you would see that I don't. I just don't feel the need to be their overseer or judge. Leaving that up to God and trusting Him to know what should be done with them doesn't mean I don't think it's wrong. The fact that you seem to think not wanting to be the judge, jury, and executioner = acceptance is where I got the idea that you look upon the world with hate. Not that we disagree.

Thunder Peel · Dec 14, 2015

thatbrian said:
Disagreement is not hatred; however, Liberals often confuse the two. They tend to cry, "hater" at the first sign of disagreement with them. So, back to the OP: I see your reply as more evidence that you are not conservative.

"I actually read scripture, I also educate myself in the science and history surrounding these things, looking at all the evidence in front of me, I make a decision."

Conservative Christians form their understanding of truth, first and foremost from scripture. Scientific data change and history is incomplete. On top of that, sometimes, I must ignore the "evidence" of my own eyes, and look to God's promise instead. Didn't Peter do that when he walked on water? Don't sinners do that when they know their guilt yet receive forgiveness? Don't imprisoned and persecuted Christians have to ignore what they see and trust that God loves them in spite of what they see?

Your answer keeps *you* in charge. You are the final determiner of truth, after you've examined your sources. In my conservative understanding, God determines truth, and I conform to it, not the other way around. This is what separates a conservative from a liberal.

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
and do not lean on your own understanding.
6 In all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make straight your paths.
7 Be not wise in your own eyes; (Prov. 3:5-7)

Perfectly stated. Truth may be uncomfortable and unpopular but it's still the truth. Simply changing our views and following feelings is dangerous and the complete opposite of the rock-solid truth God offers.

Wgw · Dec 15, 2015

OrthodoxForever said:
I know I'm not liberal enough to be considered liberals, liberals tend to come to hate me within the first 10 minutes because I disagree with some of their wackier stuff...

1. I believe in total gender equality between men and women, I don't use the label of 'feminist' to describe myself because these days that usually refers to the man and child hating stuff and that is not me at all. I guess I'm a suffragette...

I assume that you stop well short of deviating from the Orthodox tradition of only ordaining men to the priesthood or episcopate.

2. I hate abortion, I think that there's a better choice at least 48 times out of 50, the exceptions being serious risk to the mother's physical health and cases of rape/incest

I agree, as far as physical health is concerned. Rape seems an edge case. I am not sure on this point.

3. I'm tolerant of other religions and people of those religions, I generally witness through Christ-like behavior and leave it at that unless they ask me questions

In general, so am I. On this forum, however, I am tired of people attacking the Orthodox, Catholics and traditional liturgical Protestants, so I actively campaign against certain extremely heretical sects, like non-Trinitarians. I also support negative proselytism against dangerous or predatory religions, or new religious movements, according to the heresiological model of Ss. Irenaeus of Lyons and Epiphanius of Salamis.

4. There is no reason, in fact from what I have read of scripture it's a sin to discriminate against or bully someone based on sexual orientation or relationship status.

I agree.

5. If its in a secular country, same-sex marriage, and same sex couples adopting children should both be legal and whether each faith or denomination supports that should be for them to decide, but legally, it shouldn't be an issue, if it's a sin, as I believe the Bible makes it clear that it is, for two men or two women to be married that's still between them and God.

I disagree. I believe children should only be adopted into heterosexual marriages.

6. Divorce should be a last resort.

I agree.

7. Alcohol should only be consumed if it's the wine some churches including my own use for Holy Communion.

I agree somewhat. I myself have in the past enjoyed recreational consumption of alcohol, and have never felt addicted to it, or even been drunk, but I have a close relative who has used alcohol excessively.

8. The Bible, the complete canon of scripture used by the early church, is the word of God written by men who were inspired of the Holy Ghost

I agree.

9. I'm not a KJV only person but I tend to avoid more liberal translations such as the MSG, NIV, NRSV as I see too much denominational slant in the word choice that is used in them.

Any other issues you can think of that would help you decide how to answer my question just ask...

You are aware that the Eastern Orthodox generally prefer the Septuagint to the Masoretic Text used by the KJV? Also, the Psalter in the KJV is incompatible with EO liturgics; the chapter and verse divisions are all wrong, and break the system of stases and kathisma used in Orthros/Matins.

Albion · Dec 15, 2015

OrthodoxForever said:
Any other issues you can think of that would help you decide how to answer my question just ask...

The forum is about traditional, historic, Christian beliefs and practices. That's the meaning of "conservative" in this case. I notice that relatively few of the points in the OP actually deal with such.

Sketcher · Feb 2, 2016

OrthodoxForever said:
1. I believe in total gender equality between men and women, I don't use the label of 'feminist' to describe myself because these days that usually refers to the man and child hating stuff and that is not me at all. I guess I'm a suffragette...

What does that look like in terms of roles in the church and roles in a marriage to you?

OrthodoxForever said:
2. I hate abortion, I think that there's a better choice at least 48 times out of 50, the exceptions being serious risk to the mother's physical health and cases of rape/incest

I'm with you on the life of the mother - save two lives whenever possible, save the one life you can when this isn't possible.

As to rape or incest, I can't agree - how one was conceived has no bearing on that person's worth or rights as a human being. Besides, an abortion just adds to the existing wound.

OrthodoxForever said:
3. I'm tolerant of other religions and people of those religions, I generally witness through Christ-like behavior and leave it at that unless they ask me questions

What do you believe about their going to Heaven, or not? Why?

OrthodoxForever said:
4. There is no reason, in fact from what I have read of scripture it's a sin to discriminate against or bully someone based on sexual orientation or relationship status.

Do you consider not participating in a gay "wedding" to be discrimination or bullying? Do you believe that affirming the sinfulness of homosexual lust and behavior qualifies, even if this is presented in the context of Jesus loving the person in question (in other words, treating it like any other sin)?

OrthodoxForever said:
7. Alcohol should only be consumed if it's the wine some churches including my own use for Holy Communion.

Disagree here, I believe drinking is fine if you're responsible with it and don't get drunk or make it easy for kids to get drunk.

OrthodoxForever said:
8. The Bible, the complete canon of scripture used by the early church, is the word of God written by men who were inspired of the Holy Ghost

Agreed, but not on the Apocrypha. It didn't make the Hebrew Canon.

OrthodoxForever said:
In my own experience, hatred and condemnation doesn't do anything to bring those who need help toward the truth, if anything it shoves them farther away.

Agreed.

OrthodoxForever said:
Adultery, being Unequally Yoked, and to escape an abusive relationship

Matthew 19:9 talks about adultery. What verses justify the other two?

Albion · Feb 3, 2016

OrthodoxForever said:
I know I'm not liberal enough to be considered liberals, liberals tend to come to hate me within the first 10 minutes because I disagree with some of their wackier stuff...

1. I believe in total gender equality between men and women, I don't use the label of 'feminist' to describe myself because these days that usually refers to the man and child hating stuff and that is not me at all. I guess I'm a suffragette...

2. I hate abortion, I think that there's a better choice at least 48 times out of 50, the exceptions being serious risk to the mother's physical health and cases of rape/incest

3. I'm tolerant of other religions and people of those religions, I generally witness through Christ-like behavior and leave it at that unless they ask me questions

4. There is no reason, in fact from what I have read of scripture it's a sin to discriminate against or bully someone based on sexual orientation or relationship status.

5. If its in a secular country, same-sex marriage, and same sex couples adopting children should both be legal and whether each faith or denomination supports that should be for them to decide, but legally, it shouldn't be an issue, if it's a sin, as I believe the Bible makes it clear that it is, for two men or two women to be married that's still between them and God.

6. Divorce should be a last resort.

7. Alcohol should only be consumed if it's the wine some churches including my own use for Holy Communion.

8. The Bible, the complete canon of scripture used by the early church, is the word of God written by men who were inspired of the Holy Ghost

9. I'm not a KJV only person but I tend to avoid more liberal translations such as the MSG, NIV, NRSV as I see too much denominational slant in the word choice that is used in them.

Any other issues you can think of that would help you decide how to answer my question just ask...

There's no need to parse and pour over each point you've presented. No, you aren't a Conservative Christian.

There's good reasoning and a moderate or temperate attitude behind your conclusions, but too many of them cut directly against the principles that are basic to Traditional or Conservative theology, whether Protestant or Catholic.

BluesLamb · Feb 4, 2016

No, you're not a conservative Christian, nor are you a liberal Christian. You're a Christian. Even within these categories, you'll never find total agreement among the people there. 1 Corinthians 13:12 is an example of why we have different views, even within the same community. People do tend to identify with groups that share a majority of their beliefs. Some people draw the line differently when they are defining who is a real Christian and who is not.

KWCrazy · Feb 4, 2016

OrthodoxForever said:
1. I believe in total gender equality between men and women,

I consider them equal but different. Men historically have been hunters, and focus more intently on the "prey." Women are gatherers; better at multi-tasking and more suited to caring for children while performing other tasks. Men tend to be more dominant, women more submissive. That's good, because they have to be to put up with us.

2. I hate abortion, I think that there's a better choice at least 48 times out of 50,

I would agree. It is rarely a health issue for women, but in tubal pregnancies for example it can be. In cases of rape I'm a believer in drugs like RU-486 that would prevent a pregnancy by not allowing any fertilized egg to bond with the womb. Once a pregnancy begins, however, I consider efforts to kill the baby as homicide.

3. I'm tolerant of other religions and people of those religions, I generally witness through Christ-like behavior and leave it at that unless they ask me questions

I am tolerant of other religions, though I do consider them false if they deny that Christ is the son of God and the holy sacrifice for the removal of sins. I consider Islam a vile and corrupt religion created by a false prophet who has led millions of people to their own destruction. It's greatest victims are its own followers who devoutly follow what they believe is the path to God.

4. There is no reason, in fact from what I have read of scripture it's a sin to discriminate against or bully someone based on sexual orientation or relationship status.

I don't believe it's consistent with the Scriptures to bully anyone.

5. If its in a secular country, same-sex marriage, and same sex couples adopting children should both be legal and

As others have said, I don't favor re-defining marriage to normalize deviance. Love who you want to love, but marriage was instituted by God and same sex marriage mocks His institution.

6. Divorce should be a last resort.

Agree, though sometimes there isn't much choice; like when the wife runs off, shacks up with an old boyfriend and divorces you. Christ acknowledged adultery, but I would include abuse. Abuse not only violates the spouse's rights, but violates God's commandment to love your wife even as Christ loved the church.

7. Alcohol should only be consumed if it's the wine some churches including my own use for Holy Communion.

Like all chemicals, it can be used for good or evil. I wouldn't support prohibition, but I choose not to be around drunkards.

8. The Bible, the complete canon of scripture used by the early church, is the word of God written by men who were inspired of the Holy Ghost

I would agree to a point, though I reject the books written after the time of Paul which introduce concepts found nowhere else in Scripture. I believe in the KJV, though there is a language barrier which other versions address with painstaking attention to the original meanings.

You're more that conservative enough to help us beat back the scourge of creeping socialism. We will never all agree on all issues, but we agree that there is one God and that Jesus Christ is our savior. Everything else is minor.

Albion · Feb 4, 2016

BluesLamb said:
No, you're not a conservative Christian, nor are you a liberal Christian. You're a Christian. Even within these categories, you'll never find total agreement among the people there. 1 Corinthians 13:12 is an example of why we have different views, even within the same community. People do tend to identify with groups that share a majority of their beliefs. Some people draw the line differently when they are defining who is a real Christian and who is not.

Yes, but there are definitions for Conservative Christian and Liberal Christian, and this forum has its own, published, explicit statement on what constitutes a Conservative Christian.

While each of us might, hypothetically, take exception to some of it, it's a basically sound definition. So we can indeed answer the question of the thread by referring to that statement.

Wgw · Feb 10, 2016

Albion said:
Yes, but there are definitions for Conservative Christian and Liberal Christian, and this forum has its own, published, explicit statement on what constitutes a Conservative Christian.

While each of us might, hypothetically, take exception to some of it, it's a basically sound definition. So we can indeed answer the question of the thread by referring to that statement.

Oddly enough these definitions are so broad that I am apparently both liberal and conservative. Yet not moderate!

Albion · Feb 10, 2016

Wgw said:
Oddly enough these definitions are so broad that I am apparently both liberal and conservative. Yet not moderate!

That sorta proves my point, doesn't it?

Anyway, the bigger point IMO was that people just do not normally talk about individuals or churches as religious "moderates." It's not part of how we view these things, whereas with political positions, we do.

supersoldier71 · Feb 15, 2016

I am theologically conservative, politically libertarian.

Abortion is murder--preach the Gospel and make disciples = fewer aborted babies
Homosexuality is a perversion--preach the Gospel and make disciples and the Holy Spirit will take care of the rest
Women ARE equal in value, but their role is different from that of men--preach the Gospel and make disciples, and the Spirit will compel (and enable!) men to be men and women to be women.
I don't believe alcoholic beverages to be inherently sinful, however, being drunk IS.

Politically libertarian:

Abortion: still murder, no change there, but to change it, preach the Gospel.
Homosexuality: still a perversion, but I can see no secular argument to prohibit homosexuals from entering into secular marriage-like relationships
Women's rights: suffrage, voting, equal pay for equal work:fairness. All good ideas. Radical feminism is as virulent and dangerous as any other ideological "-ism".
Alcohol: the concept that a government can dictate what I can or cannot put into my body is, to me, ridiculous.

Pamelav · Feb 16, 2016

God judged the nation of Canaan for all their abominations and gave them the the Israelites who later also were judged by all their abominations. Hhmmm. I think I will not only believe my bible's stance, but try to vote for politicians that won't allow 'abominations' to pervade the country. I care about the country I live in. Which unfortunately is getting worse. Otherwise I would love to see a more social Healthcare system that works, and I believe in keeping social security, and things like that. It should be a good mix between the right and the left as far as that stuff goes. Free enterprise, to point. I don't see what's wrong with putting a cap on somethings to prevent the executives from taking everything.

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