Why The Trinity is a False Teaching - Summarized Doctrinal Reasons

cgaviria said:

Says the guy who is unwilling to be persecuted for the sake of Jesus Christ. You guys are really quite something...

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Have you experienced the Holy Spirit....yes no or nun na my business? Simple question....most people are eager to speak of it.....

Strong in Him said:

I am blessed now. The Holy Spirit is a deposit which guarantees our future inheritance; I know I have eternal life and am a child of God.

We all have to stand before God. Have you considered that he might, one day, tell you that you were wrong?

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God bless you!

Imagican said:

And you choose to 'believe' in such 'stories'? Come now. And I was beginning to believe that you were much more 'practical' in your beliefs than that.

I've heard a 'ton' of stories about Bigfoot and Aliens, but I don't place much 'faith' in them. For they are most common, just that: stories that can't be verified except by those telling the stories.

Actually, the Bible states that 'all those' that will be judged according to 'life' or 'righteousness' will be the judge of angels. The indication is that 'all of God's children' are 'above' the angels. Nothing in the Bible offers that the 'angels' were created in the image of God. Yet we were.

And if we were 'created' in the 'image' of God, exactly what does that 'make us'? Demi Gods? Children of God? Sons of God? That part of us that is the 'image' of God, is that God Himself dwelling within the flesh of mankind? For certainly the 'image' isn't physical. It must be 'Spiritual'. So what are 'we' so far as the 'image' is concerned. Are we not 'mirrors' of sorts. Mirroring the 'image of God'?

So many seem to insist that God could only beget 'God'. Yet we were 'created' in His image. Could this have something to do with the statement, "Ye are Gods"? And if this is the truth, wouldn't it be that God is not 'three persons' in one God, but God is all that are a part of His will? That we too are 'persons' that are a 'part' of God? With God as Godhead among 'all' that is a 'part of God'?

What will be 'our place' in the 'new world'? Those that are judged according to 'life'. What will their place be? Will they all 'sit at the left hand of God'?

Or will we simply 'start over'. Like Adam and Eve? I think not. For if we are judged according to life, certainly there will be something that separates us from Adam and Eve.

God is 'the' God of Christ as well as Our God. God is the Father of Christ as well as Our Heavenly Father. This would be an impossibility is Christ is God.

And what if? What if 'we too are Gods'. Those that will be judged according to life. What if 'we too' are the Children of God and therefore 'individual parts of God Himself'? And the only difference between us and Christ is that He was 'firstborn'. That He was instrumental in our creation but in the 'same image' as God Himself. Not God, but created in the 'image' of God. A Son. Just like our 'sons' are images of ourselves. Capable of being 'like us' but individuals that are 'not us'.

Blessings,

MEC

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These stories are true. As far as bigfoot and aliens are concerned, Fr. Seraphim Rose makes a powerful case in Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future for regarding these as demonic manifestations or delusions.

Berean777 said:

In the Greek the word is morphe, where we get the word morphed from.

3444morphḗ – properly, form (outward expression) that embodies essential(inner) substance so that the form is in complete harmony with the inner-essence.

The Nicene Creed states the Son is of one substance with the father, it essentially points to the inner charactistsic qualities of God himself. Adam could not be in complete harmony with the inner-essence of God, nor was Moses for that matter, because they were sinners and the essence of the Father is sinless deity, therefore the Christ fulfills that characteristic of sinless deity, that only the Father has. This is the form of God which is inwardly and outwardly in harmony with God's personal charactistsics, who is Spirit (John 4:24). So form is the one to one exact image of what makes the Father the Father, although the Son has a distinct persona and a distinct role to play within the one infinite God, who is in co-equal relationship with the Father as declared in Philippians 2:6, after all it is the claim made by Jesus himself to his disciples.

So morphe says nothing of being endowed with the very authority of God, rather it squarely points to the essential inner characteristics of what makes God God. Could Adam or Moses or any created being claim to be the inner essential characteristics of what makes God God? Absolutely not!

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Adam was the Son of God in a unique way. He had no earthly father. Jesus was the Son of God in a unique way. He had no earthly father. The God of Israel confirmed in Abraham and David and the prophets, His promise that the "seed" of Eve would arrive as Savior of mankind. Genesis 3:15. The expectation was that a son will be born in Israel, Isaiah 9:6. A Prophet like Moses, will originate from among the people of Israel. Deuteronomy 18:15.

Hundreds of years after the fact, a completely different idea emerged, that a second member of a triune God (which btw, Israel knew nothing about) would descend from heaven and be transmuted into a human fetus.

There have been thousands of books and literature written in an attempt to explain and justify the doctrine of the Trinity. Scripture has been taken out of context, the language of the Holy Spirit has been altered to make it fit with the doctrine. After all of the explaining and justifying, some trinitarians say, well nobody can understand or explain the Trinity.

Jesus is the theme of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. God revealed his only begotten Son in Scripture for us. The whole point of the Bible story is that the Son of God has to be a biological descendant of Eve, Abraham and David. He must be truly a Jew by lineage. He must stem from the line of David. He must be an Israelite, and the "prophet like Moses."

When a brand new non-human personage from heaven is inserted into the storyline, the whole divine plan is derailed, confused and complicated. The promise of the Savior's continuous lineage from Abraham and David becomes impossible. The Savior is no longer essentially human. Instead of talking about him, as the promised Messiah, somebody altered the scheme to speak about his humanity in abstract terms.

He has been replaced by a strange being that arrived from someplace else.

Berean777 said:

Notice it says another Comforter and not another Holy Spirit. We know today that from John chapter 14 that the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, but within the same context before the giving for he Holy Ghost, the Christ was that Comforter for the disciples, when he walked as the man Jesus of Nazereth.



We know before the other, that is another Comforter, the Holy Ghost was to be given on the day of Pentecost, the present Comforter, who is the Christ needed to leave before the Holy Ghost could come.



You are in error when you say...the Holy Spirit is another state of spirit

The first Comforter is the man Jesus of Nazareth. As Jesus would say....



The shepherd is the sheeps Comforter (John 14:18)

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and what/who is the other comforter according to your opinion?!, do you see there to be another Messiah in the gospels(including the book "Acts") who came shortly after Jesus' ascension?!, Jesus had been seen, while the Holy Spirit had not so, because the Holy Spirit as a third aspect of God is always (re)presented as something impersonal such as "dove"(Mat 3:16), "sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind"(Acts 2:2), "cloven tongues like as of fire"(Acts 2:3), etc., which means It is not a person in and of itself

Blessings

Strong in Him said:

It's fine, don't worry .
I may give up with this thread soon anyway; the endless arguments are not edifying.

God bless.

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God bless you Strong in Him.

MerriestHouse said:

Adam was the Son of God in a unique way. He had no earthly father. Jesus was the Son of God in a unique way. He had no earthly father.

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One would certainly be convinced on the surface to what you are saying in regards to the uniqueness of the Son of God. If we cross-correlate this uniqueness with Adam, the man created from the clay of the earth, then we can look towards the scriptures, where Jesus is said to be the ONLY begotten Son of God. Scripture also has the risen Lord saying.....

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says Lord God, the One being, and who was, and who is coming, the Almighty. (Rev 1:8)

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And.....

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." (Rev 22:13)

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Now the uniqueness of Christ is that he is the only begotten Son and the first and the last of his kind. This means that the Adam and the Son of God are heaven and earth apart. Adam was unique that he was formed out of the clay of the earth and the epiphany of the Christ breathed into his nostrils to make him a living spirit, in support of John 1:4, where it is written, "In Him was life, and that life was the light of men." So the Christ created Adam and there contrasts the uniqueness of Christ as the Lord from Heaven, compared to the dirt man Adam, made from the dirt of the earth.

John 3:13
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.

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Would it surprise you if I told you that in Heaven there is no process of creation, that is in Heaven, things just are, nothing is formed within this eternal realm, as they are within the earthly realm.

The God of Israel confirmed in Abraham and David and the prophets, His promise that the "seed" of Eve would arrive as Savior of mankind. Genesis 3:15. The expectation was that a son will be born in Israel, Isaiah 9:6. A Prophet like Moses, will originate from among the people of Israel. Deuteronomy 18:15.

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Not just a prophet, but one that has the signet ring of the Father himself, a Kingly Chuef Priest. This messenger is the one who came from Heaven, not like Moses as far as characteristics of his being is concerned, but similar in function to shepherd the people to God.

Hundreds of years after the fact, a completely different idea emerged, that a second member of a triune God (which btw, Israel knew nothing about) would descend from heaven and be transmuted into a human fetus.

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Jesus said that he was from Heaven.

There have been thousands of books and literature written in an attempt to explain and justify the doctrine of the Trinity. Scripture has been taken out of context, the language of the Holy Spirit has been altered to make it fit with the doctrine. After all of the explaining and justifying, some trinitarians say, well nobody can understand or explain the Trinity.

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We can know why God is three persona's in one, so there is nothing confusing or difficult in explaining what the Holy Bible testifies. We may NOT know HOW that is, because that would be a case of knowing what the makeup of God is, that is, the process. Since God isn't tied to process, the HOW is unknowable, but the why is determinable through scripture.

Jesus is the theme of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. God revealed his only begotten Son in Scripture for us. The whole point of the Bible story is that the Son of God has to be a biological descendant of Eve, Abraham and David. He must be truly a Jew by lineage. He must stem from the line of David. He must be an Israelite, and the "prophet like Moses."

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He is that and more. He was before he was incarnated and he said that he came from Heaven. You know I believe what Jesus said, do you?

When a brand new non-human personage from heaven is inserted into the storyline, the whole divine plan is derailed, confused and complicated. The promise of the Savior's continuous lineage from Abraham and David becomes impossible. The Savior is no longer essentially human. Instead of talking about him, as the promised Messiah, somebody altered the scheme to speak about his humanity in abstract terms.

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Jesus said that he came from Heaven to save man. Salvation came from Heaven, that is, from God and God planned it genealogically through the seed of Eve as he had promised that he would do in the Garden. Salvation through Grace came from non-human origin, that is from God. But the process required God to come in the likeness of man to accomplish this. So salvation through Grace didn't come by human effort, rather through Devine majesty.

He has been replaced by a strange being that arrived from someplace else.

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23But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.24I told you that you would die in your sins. (John 8:23)

Yes Jesus, I believe you.

toLiJC said:

and what/who is the other comforter according to your opinion?!, do you see there to be another Messiah in the gospels(including the book "Acts") who came shortly after Jesus' ascension?!, Jesus had been seen, while the Holy Spirit had not so, because the Holy Spirit as a third aspect of God is always (re)presented as something impersonal such as "dove"(Mat 3:16), "sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind"(Acts 2:2), "cloven tongues like as of fire"(Acts 2:3), etc., which means It is not a person in and of itself

Blessings

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The 1st Comforter was Jesus, when he was on earth. That is why he would say.......

28Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter,29but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.” (Mark 3:28-29)

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Because the Pharisees blasphemed the miraculous works of Christ, by saying that they were from Satan, that is why Jesus would say that they had committed the unforgivable sin by blaspheming against the works of the Spirit.

Before Pentecost Jesus would do the following....

21Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”22And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.23If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” (John 20:21-23)

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The Holy Ghost, that is the Spirit of God, was the person of the Christ, who was conceived of the Holy Ghost and who would have this internal essence, without measure.

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. (Colossians 2:9)

And in the acts of the apostles, it is written......

Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has set you overseers, to shepherd the church of God, which He (Holy Ghost) purchased with His own blood. (Acts 20:28)

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Finally within the context of the giving of the Holy Ghost on Pentecost, Jesus would say.....

18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. (John 14:18-21)

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So the Spirit of Christ would manifest to the believers after he is gone on the day of Pentecost, through another Comforter, the Holy Ghost.

You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. (Romans 8:9)

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So Jesus was the 1st Comforter that prevented the 2nd Comforter from coming on the day of Pentecost, unless he left first, so that the Father would send him.

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Comforter to help you and be with you forever--

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That is why Jesus say to baptise in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Do you think that there is some sort of hierarchy amongst the three persona's of God?

All are coequal and coeternal and that is what Jesus would say to baptise in all three.

MerriestHouse said:

Adam was the Son of God in a unique way. He had no earthly father. Jesus was the Son of God in a unique way. He had no earthly father. The God of Israel confirmed in Abraham and David and the prophets, His promise that the "seed" of Eve would arrive as Savior of mankind. Genesis 3:15. The expectation was that a son will be born in Israel, Isaiah 9:6. A Prophet like Moses, will originate from among the people of Israel. Deuteronomy 18:15.

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Whereas our Lord is the New Adam, He is also the only-begotten Son of God, as the New Testament affirms.

Hundreds of years after the fact, a completely different idea emerged, that a second member of a triune God (which btw, Israel knew nothing about) would descend from heaven and be transmuted into a human fetus.

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We do not say that our Lord was "transmuted" into a human fetus; this is a strawman. Indeed, what you say here implies Eutychian monophysite tritheism of the sort rejected by both the Chalcedonians and the Oriental Orthodox.

There have been thousands of books and literature written in an attempt to explain and justify the doctrine of the Trinity. Scripture has been taken out of context, the language of the Holy Spirit has been altered to make it fit with the doctrine.

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Not true; in fact the reverse is the case. The J/Ws modified John 1:1. The OP objects to Matthew 28:19 and John 1:3. All this simply furthers the point that it is Non-Trinitarianism which is unscriptural.

After all of the explaining and justifying, some trinitarians say, well nobody can understand or explain the Trinity.

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Oh really? That's news to myself and my friends, who have understood and been explaining the Trinity to the ill-informed and misguided for some months now with great success.

Jesus is the theme of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. God revealed his only begotten Son in Scripture for us. The whole point of the Bible story is that the Son of God has to be a biological descendant of Eve, Abraham and David. He must be truly a Jew by lineage. He must stem from the line of David. He must be an Israelite, and the "prophet like Moses."

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No, the theme of sacred scripture is the relation between God and Man, and their reconciliation in the person of our Lord.

When a brand new non-human personage from heaven is inserted into the storyline, the whole divine plan is derailed, confused and complicated.

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I would agree, but this is purely hypothetical, in that our Lord is not a "non-human personage from Heaven." If we actually believed He was, you might have a point.

The promise of the Savior's continuous lineage from Abraham and David becomes impossible. The Savior is no longer essentially human.

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Trinitarians confess that our Lord is fully and perfectly human, so your argument simply does not apply.

Instead of talking about him, as the promised Messiah, somebody altered the scheme to speak about his humanity in abstract terms.

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Again, another sweeping generalization, along with hints of a conspiracy of dark lords plotting to alter the Christian faith.

He has been replaced by a strange being that arrived from someplace else.

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You know, it would really help if you were to read up a bit on our faith, because this is grossly untrue. However, it is true of Arianism: Arians believe in a strange being that is neither perfectly human nor essentially God.

Rick Otto said:

You have no concept of context and how it affects word meanings.
That's why you are getting the Big Ignore.

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So you agree that Moses is a God much like cgaviria does then?

antletems said:

So you agree that Moses is a God much like cgaviria does then?

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lol, God bless you buddy!

Berean777 said:

That is why Jesus say to baptise in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Do you think that there is some sort of hierarchy amongst the three persona's of God?

All are coequal and coeternal and that is what Jesus would say to baptise in all three.

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I wouldn't call it a hierarchy, but there is definitely a division of labor and Jesus seemed to always place Himself under God the father's direction. So I would say they were equally divine and eternal.

Lulav said:

Jesus understood the concept

John 10

33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
34 Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS '?
35 "If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),…
36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God '?…

And Psalm 82

"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'

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Lulav said:

Yes and if there were no other gods, then the GOD would not have said:

I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

It just means that no one should be held higher and greater than the LORD.

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Lulav is stupified to see that 4 more pages have been added to this thread since she posted this and not ONE rebuttal. Why do suppose that is?

Berean777 said:

The 1st Comforter was Jesus, when he was on earth. That is why he would say.......



Because the Pharisees blasphemed the miraculous works of Christ, by saying that they were from Satan, that is why Jesus would say that they had committed the unforgivable sin by blaspheming against the works of the Spirit.

Before Pentecost Jesus would do the following....



The Holy Ghost, that is the Spirit of God, was the person of the Christ, who was conceived of the Holy Ghost and who would have this internal essence, without measure.

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. (Colossians 2:9)

And in the acts of the apostles, it is written......



Finally within the context of the giving of the Holy Ghost on Pentecost, Jesus would say.....



So the Spirit of Christ would manifest to the believers after he is gone on the day of Pentecost, through another Comforter, the Holy Ghost.



So Jesus was the 1st Comforter that prevented the 2nd Comforter from coming on the day of Pentecost, unless he left first, so that the Father would send him.

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Berean777 said:

That is why Jesus say to baptise in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Do you think that there is some sort of hierarchy amongst the three persona's of God?

All are coequal and coeternal and that is what Jesus would say to baptise in all three.

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you did not answer the question, is the Holy Spirit/Ghost a person in and by itself or not?!

Blessings

Lulav said:

Lulav is stupified to see that 4 more pages have been added to this thread since she posted this and not ONE rebuttal. Why do suppose that is?

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Well, I myself was disinclined to reply to your remark because on the one hand, I assume you are not a polytheist or a non-Trinitarian, and on the other hand, the Orthodox believe in theosis or deification. However, owing to the Pauline epistles, it is of course God alone that is owed all honour, glory, and worship, to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, now and ever and unto the ages of ages.

toLiJC said:

you did not answer the question, is the Holy Spirit/Ghost a person in and by itself or not?!

Blessings

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Sorry, I thought I did. The Holy Ghost is ANOTHER persona of the one infinite Godbeing, that the Father and the Son sent. (Nicene Creed - Filioque)

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. (John 16:7)

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; (John 14:16)

The 1st Comforter was Jesus in the flesh, another Comforter would be ANOTHER, in his place on Pentecost and onwards. If the Father and the Son are sending him, then the Holy Ghost is the third isn't he?

cgaviria said:

Of course it is. Any person that receives holy spirit will evidence it with a sign. Even Jesus Christ evidenced it with a dove descending upon him. Even Saul evidenced it with prophesying and becoming another man. There is always a sign when the holy spirit enters a body, which is usually prophesying or speaking in a new language. And receiving holy spirit also imparts sanctification and inner perfection. If you are still sinning, you have not been born of God.

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Certainly there is evidence present in people who have received the Holy Spirit:

Galatians 5 said:

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy,[d] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience,kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

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Additionally, there is a record of the Holy Spirit being given in which we do not see that it is accompanied by signs:

Acts 8 said:

Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John, 15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit. 18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money, 19 saying, “Give me this power also, so that anyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” 20 But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! 21 You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. 22 Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you. 23 For I see that you are inthe gall[c] of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity.” 24 And Simon answered, “Pray for me to the Lord, that nothing of what you have said may come upon me.”

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And finally, miraculous signs are reserved for times and happenings of God's choosing:

Matthew 16 said:

And the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and to test him they asked him to show them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered them,[a] “When it is evening, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red.’ 3 And in the morning, ‘It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. 4 An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah.” So he left them and departed.

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There are only 3 places in the Bible where we are specifically told that the receiving of the Holy Spirit resulted in speaking in tongues. They are:

1. Pentecost - the first experience with the Holy Spirit
2. Cornelius and his household - a sure sign from God that He had granted salvation to the gentiles
3. John's disciples - a sure sign from God that the baptism of John was not sufficient for salvation, and in a city where (we see in following verses) there was much opposition to the gospel

Though there are records of people coming to faith throughout the book of Acts, only in these three places do we see tongues expressly shown as a sign of this. These were all extremely important occasions for the church, and each unique in its own way.

The true measure of whether someone has the Holy Spirit is whether or not they bear fruit (as Jesus Himself said, "by their fruits you shall know them"). Not whether they speak in tongues or have a "spiritual story" to go along with it.

Lulav said:

Lulav is stupified to see that 4 more pages have been added to this thread since she posted this and not ONE rebuttal. Why do suppose that is?

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There is a two fold meaning if you bare with me. First I will quote John.....

34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? (John 10:34-36)

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Then I will quote Psalms.....

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. (Psalms 82:1-2)

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The interpretation of Psalm 82 is speaking of the 24 earthly judges that were appointed on behalf of God. So in essence they were like little gods on earth. But the word little god actually means ruler and not one who is worshipped as the almighty God. God is chastising the 24 earthly judges because of their corruption by saying "How long will you judge unjustly".

Since now we have the context of Psalm 82, we can proceed to the other bit you mentioned....

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.(Psalms 82:7)

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This is a condescending remark, that is meant to rebuke the corupt 24 earthly judges who ruled Israel as little gods. God is rebuking them severely by saying "Did I really say that you were gods/rulers, HA! NEVER! because you shall all die and fall like mortal men. In essence God is saying who do you think you are.

Get it? God is being exceedingly satirical about these corrupt wanna be gods/rulers who God sees as dead enders to his cause, because if you closely read the charges laid on them by God, you can discern that God is not giving them the title of god/ruler as an honorary sons of God. Here is the evidence......

3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4Deliver the poor and needy: rid themout of the hand of the wicked.

5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. (Psalms 82:3-5)

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These imbeciles never did do what God purposed them for, but they all fell away to their corrupt ways.

Now to get back to what Jesus said in John. This is the secobd fold meaning, the 1st in Psalms 82 was of rebuke and in John it is where Jesus is charging the Pharisees of hypocrisy, because they completely blew it out of proportion when Jesus said that he was the Son of God. So Jesus says didn't

I said, Ye are gods?

Notice Jesus claims to be the God who in Psalms 82 rebuked the corrupt 24 earthly judges. I wonder if you had noticed the personal pronoun " I Said".

Jesus illustrates the fact that the Pharisees accepted those 24 judges as demi-gods on earth, when God called them rulers, so that is where they took upon themselves god status. As the saying goes power corrupts and absolue power corrupts absolutely. Jesus says why then are you breaking scripture by refusing to accept me as your God, for the simple fact that I said I am the Son of God, otherwise believe the works.

33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (John 10:33)

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Jesus would be the God with capital G, because he lives forever and those other little gods died like men.