Hillary Clinton: 'Muslims Have Nothing to Do With Terrorism'

And wiping has nothing to with a server.

Gallup did a study between 2001 and 2007 in an attempt to ascertain what it was that most Muslim people believed about various issues and how they saw themselves in relation to the West. This multiyear study included tens of thousands of hour-long interviews, face to face with residents of more than 35 nations with substantial Muslim populations. The data collected from it is a sample which with a 3 point margin of error represents more than 90% of the world's Muslims. The data found suggests a number of things:
Muslims around the world do not see the West as monolithic, they have specific criticisms against specific politics however not against culture or religion.
When asked what their dream job would be, Muslims don't mention jihad. They mention better jobs.
Muslims and Americans are equally as likely to consider attacks on civilians to be morally unjustified.
Those who condone acts of terrorism are a minority and are no more likely to be religious than the rest of the population.
Muslims around the world admire the West for its technology and democracy.
Muslim women want equal rights and religion in their societies.
Muslims say that the one thing the West can do to improve relations with their societies is to respect them.
The majority of those surveyed want religious leaders to have no direct role in crafting constitution yet also desire religious law to be a source of legislation.

Source: John Esposito and Dalia Mogahed, Who Speaks for Islam? 2007.

2 things.

Of course muslim women want equal rights. The problem is the muslim men who don't. They get to get the deciding vote what with being the oppressors and all.

They don't want clerics drafting the constitution, but they want Sharia's as its foundation. They want theocracy. They want tyranny, just as long as its their kind.

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:

Well, if she gets elected she'll certainly carry on her predecessors rhetoric.

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I, of course, haven't been paying much attention to Hillary, but my impression is that she would indeed represent an Obama 3rd term.

This sort of stems from false narrative that we're all given about the nature of Islam.

The official recognized position of many on the left is that "only <1% of them are the terrorists, the rest are peaceful and tolerant moderates".

The big problem with this way of thinking is this: there's a vast middle ground between 'terrorist' and 'moderate', and the notion that "if you're not a terrorist, then by default, you're a moderate" is an inaccurate way to look at it.

It's setting the bar very low for what constitutes a 'moderate'...by the low standard they use to define 'moderate' in terms of Islam...if they used that same standard, applied to Christianity, Rick Santorum would be a moderate by that logic. However, many on the left don't refer to Santorum as a moderate...he gets considered as a "right wing extreme fundamentalist".

Some numbers to chew on:
When a survey of British Muslims took place (these are westernized folks, not people living in the middle east)
2/3 said that people should be prosecuted for insulting Islam (or the prophet)

So while these people who fall in that two-thirds may not want to kill me like ISIS does (they're not terrorists)...they're certainly not moderates either if they think I should be punished by law for insulting their faith.


...and to be perfectly frank, if a substantial number of Muslims didn't agree with at least a little bit of what ISIS is doing...then ISIS wouldn't exist.

In the US, if a pack of 20,000 extremist Christians were roaming the country, acting as ISIS does in the name of their faith, they'd all be dead within a month. This notion of "it's only 1%" doesn't hold much water when you ask yourself the question "why doesn't the other 99% put an end to it?"

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:

CP Politics Article 11/20

Well, if she gets elected she'll certainly carry on her predecessors rhetoric.

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I never thought I would see the day a Bush and a Clinton would agree on something.

"The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them." -G.W. Bush

Cerberus~Infinite said:

2 things.

Of course muslim women want equal rights. The problem is the muslim men who don't. They get to get the deciding vote what with being the oppressors and all.

They don't want clerics drafting the constitution, but they want Sharia's as its foundation. They want theocracy. They want tyranny, just as long as its their kind.

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You do understand that this is twisting their words! According to the Gallup research they by and large admire democracy and while they don't want religious leaders entirely involved with civil law they do not make the absolute distinction between what is civil law and their religious belief. Islam, to its adherents, is not a restrictive shell of rules and punishments. To many Muslims, it's a spiritual mental map that offers a sense of meaning, guidance, purpose and hope.

The subjugation of women is a huge problem in much of the world. Feminist issues still exist in the Western world, but as I said before: Muslim women want rights and religion. The majority of men in virtually every country surveyed believed that women should be allowed to work at any job for which they are qualified and vote in elections. The study further suggested that religiosity does not correlate with less egalitarian views in men towards women and there is no merit to the claim that the lagging status of women in much of the Muslim world is attributable to Islamic principles. In, Lebanon and Morocco, men who supported women's rights were found to be more religious than those who do not support women's rights. The research also found that in 70% of the men who committed honour killing in Jordan did not perform their daily prayers and 55% did not fast. 35% of them had already served criminal sentences, 32% were illiterate and 24% were brought up in broken homes. (p. 123-124)

It's rather simplistic and it appeals to the lowest common denominator to harbour Islamophobic interpretations of a very complex and altogether not monolithic religious tradition.

Fred Phelps would a moderate if the standards were applied equally.

Cerberus~Infinite said:

Fred Phelps would a moderate if the standards were applied equally.

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Believe it or not I have met people who have defended him. Which peeved me really bad considering I had to see their stupid protesters during two of my friends funerals.

The Islamic world has not yet undergone it's own reformation and renaissance. They haven't learned the need for secular governance. They can not achieve western liberty while maintaining theocratic governance. The two are mutually opposed, just as liberty and Christan theocracy.

Does it scare anyone else to imagine this woman as president?
I had a friend that was in media relations. They said if you watch politicians the colors they wear are meant to convey a message behind the message. If they wear dark colors for instance and add a tie that's similar to the flag colors, red and white, or red and blue patterning, their intention is to communicate a visual supporting a national security issue, as a for instance.
White in this case with Mrs.Clinton I'd say means to communicate she's of a peaceful intention to communicate a message we can trust.

I don't. However, I do agree if she is elected it will very likely be like unto a third term for Obama. That's very scary.

Cerberus~Infinite said:

The Islamic world has not yet undergone it's own reformation and renaissance. They haven't learned the need for secular governance. They can not achieve western liberty while maintaining theocratic governance. The two are mutually opposed, just as liberty and Christan theocracy.

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I think they sort of did the reverse.. they were quite liberal in their golden days when they were creating all that poetry and science and stuff. I don't know what happened, but it is like they regressed or something sometime.

It's difficult to defend him, but at least he stuck to non violent obnoxious protests rather than waging a Jesus jihad against gays.

That would make him a moderate in the Muslim world.

Well the Mongol army never conquered all of Europe. The Islamic world faired much worse. I think there is a correlation between that and the decline of Islamic culture.

And if you look at the Mongols tactics, you'll see great similarity with the tactics used by isis.

Cerberus~Infinite said:

It's difficult to defend him, but at least he stuck to non violent obnoxious protests rather than waging a Jesus jihad against gays.

That would make him a moderate in the Muslim world.

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Fred Phelps needs no defending now since he died awhile back.
However, while in league with what were mostly his family members that populated his church he and the group would seek to incite the public to violence. Being many in his family and amazingly including old Fred who at one time was a known civil rights attorney, would then sue for damages. And this money would support their road trips to heckle more people at funerals. Funeral appearances they would post as scheduled and on their church website mind you. This so that the opposition could be ready for them.

I was driving by once when the Westboro bunch were protesting a funeral. Angel Action showed up so as to put a winged barrier between Westboro and the mourners. It was beautiful.

It's the No True Scotsman fallacy to say that the Islamic terrorists aren't Muslim.

They do what they do in the name of Islam. Therefore, they are Muslim.

Jordan's king: Fight on ISIS "a third world war"

"This is a Muslim problem. We need to take ownership of this. We need to stand up and say what is right and what is wrong...This is a war inside of Islam. So we have to own up to it. We have to take the lead. And we have to start fighting back. And all of us have to make that decision and stand up to the plate and take our responsibilities." - Jordan's King Abdullah II