Living with NON-CHRISTIANS

Didaskalos said:

I think Jesus disagrees. Even the best, most loving and kind believers are hated for the word, for righteousness, and for His sake.

John 17:14
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

Isaiah 66:5
5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

John 15:18-20
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

1 Peter 4:4
4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

Matthew 5:11
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Mark 4:17
17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

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LOL He was talking to the RELIGIOUS community and NOT the unchurched my goodness you need to take a big step back and get your own heart right.

Get your head around this... YOU ARE A SINNER. The wages of Sin is death... so it matters not if your issue is lying and another is coveting.


WE are called to be light. We are called to be LOVE. Cite one instance of scripture where Messiah judged the sinner during his ministry. You cant. Judgement was reserved for the scribes and Pharisees. In fact, the scribes and Pharisees complained about his associating with sinners.
Its what YOU and I are called to do.... NOT be pontificating, judgmental donkey behinds!

IAMANOBODY2015 said:

You obviously don't know who I am. I mainly focus on my own sin. And just calling someone judgmental is also a judgment. Remember that. You can't live in this world without judging someone. It is impossible. I have the right to see if someone's friendship is good enough for me or not. If someone who you love steals from you or stabs you in the back, you would become upset and judgmental. Everyone is judgmental. Some people are more judgmental then others.

Anyways, I am living with her and her boyfriend. But that does not mean that I won't recognize sin. I recognize my sin as well as other peoples. But I never tell people they are going to hell. But I still recognize when people are not living a Christian life or not. And I am also recognizing that I am not living a Christian life right now.

So I can say the same thing to you. What right do you have to judge me when you don't even know the complete story? Paul himself said that Christians should not be associating with people who call themselves believers but don't live like believers. And just me living with people who call themselves Christians but don't live like it is me not obeying scripture. Therefore, I am not living like a believer, and I recognize this. So yes, I am aware of my own sins. But I still know what scripture says and our judgments are suppose to be about what is good for us and not about making ourselves look righteous and holy.

And stop judging my mother. She was only looking out for me. And yes, she is also aware of her own sins. If I decided that I did not want to hang out with drug addicts, it's not because I think I am perfect. It's just not good for me. And that is the point of judging.

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No actually its not that difficult to not judge others. We are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling (2 Phlip 2:12)

When you become increasingly honest with yourself and your own sin you begin to discover.

Another aspect of really grasping Grace makes it easier to not judge others as well. When you finally truly come to terms with just how utterly, totally and completely are in need of Messiah's Grace there is no room for judgement. The problem is most people do not want to confront that ultimate truth.

There is a difference between exercising wisdom and judging another person.

IAMANOBODY2015 said:

I am very weak in faith.

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When we are weak that is when HE is strong.

IAMANOBODY2015 said:

I don't live like a Christian like I should, therefore the world doesn't hate me.

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I respectfully disagree with where he is coming from.

I do so because Yeshua said that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharissee's.... The vast majority of Christendom rejects the Torah even though 50 years ago you couldn't enter a church anywhere, where the 10 commandments weren't preached as a the bedrock of how a believer should live.... Today everyone seemingly is preaching Grace alone and it is really a guise for saying I will do that which is right in my own eyes.

The proof of this is the judgmental "believer" at work that is a hypocrite. He says that the world hates him because he is righteous.

No, your coworkers dislike you (and yes some do hate you) because you are a judgmental phony who professes one thing but whose life testimony doesn't line up with what you judge and preach.

Messiah gave all of us the model. How did he act with the sinners and tax collectors? How did he relate to the woman caught in adultery? How did he act with the Samaritan woman at the well?

LOVE. MERCY. He did not condemn but displayed LOVE. Judgement was for the religious class who were hypocrites proclaiming to be holy but were evil in their hearts.

If you are being what you call persecuted at work the FIRST thing you should do is LOOK AT YOURSELF. Chances are VERY high that you are being a judgmental hypocrite and NOT that you are being persecuted for your testimony of Messiah.

IAMANOBODY2015 said:

No, I made it sound like I was more righteous then I was.

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Well, then you should consider how well you will grow in character in the company of those walking less in where you want to be. No judgement here I've stepped off of the narrow path at times myself.

I guess if I were in that situation I would ask if I want to be influenced by them or to find a living situation that helps me grow spiritually.

Didaskalos said:

I think Jesus disagrees. Even the best, most loving and kind believers are hated for the word, for righteousness, and for His sake.

John 17:14
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

Isaiah 66:5
5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

John 15:18-20
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

1 Peter 4:4
4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

Matthew 5:11
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Mark 4:17
17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

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Jesus wants us to know we will be persecuted, but that doesn't sit us from living a life of faith and showing love.

ToBeLoved said:

Jesus wants us to know we will be persecuted, but that doesn't sit us from living a life of faith and showing love.

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I am not sure who suggested that was not true.... perhaps you were talking to someone else.

BukiRob said:

LOL He was talking to the RELIGIOUS community and NOT the unchurched my goodness you need to take a big step back and get your own heart right.

Get your head around this... YOU ARE A SINNER. The wages of Sin is death... so it matters not if your issue is lying and another is coveting.


WE are called to be light. We are called to be LOVE. Cite one instance of scripture where Messiah judged the sinner during his ministry. You cant. Judgement was reserved for the scribes and Pharisees. In fact, the scribes and Pharisees complained about his associating with sinners.
Its what YOU and I are called to do.... NOT be pontificating, judgmental donkey behinds!

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Wow.... take a pill dude! I just quoted a few scriptures!
Dids backs slowly out of the room....

IAMANOBODY2015 said:

nobody really hates me. But maybe I am a judgmental phony.

In fact, people got mad at me when I did not say goodbye to them. My judgments were not based on whether I am perfect or whether they are sinners or not; it was whether it would be good for me.

I look at inappropriate content. In fact, I am honest about this with my friends and tell them that this makes me not a true Christian. But they think I still am a true Christian.

But I hate my sin; but probably not near enough and that is why I do it. This is why I say people don't know my situation. I am always talking about my sin. So my friends are getting sick of me saying what a horrible person I am. They are always telling me, no you are a good person.

But my goal is to live like a Christian. So my mom was concerned that living with non-Christians or people who say they are Christians but don't live like it would hinder that goal. I am not saying they are horrible people at all. But I still recognize sin as well as my own sin.

But calling someone a hypocrite and a phony is also a judgment as well. So again, let's not act as though we are not judgmental.

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Being a believer does not make you perfect and without sin. We are all still trapped in these carnal bodies. Do you think you that you would feel conviction about inappropriate content if you were not saved? No you wouldn't.

There is a difference between being judgmental and how you are using the word.

Didaskalos said:

Wow.... take a pill dude! I just quoted a few scriptures!
Dids backs slowly out of the room....

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If you have an issue with what I said, you might want to examine yourself. Nothing I said was the least bit over the top.

IAMANOBODY2015 said:

I know you were talking to a different user, but I did examine myself; and I thought that me accusing you and Catherine of being judgmental was not right. Nothing you guys said was wrong about looking at my own sin. So I need to apologize. I felt guilty and horrible after I wrote my posts. I react sometimes without taking the time and think about what is being said.

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For ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of G-d.....

As a believer how we live is our testimony. Not really what we say because what we say only matters if it is founded on the story we tell with our life.

Living with people who unsaved or believers who are living in a sinful ongoing situation (Such as you described) is NOT a sin for you. We are called to be a light as Messiah was a light to the world.

Did he avoid sinners? Nope, he spent MUCH of his time WITH THEM. Did the religious people accuse him YEP. You see, when you are living a righteous life where MOST of the persecution will come is NOT from the world.... it will come from those who are religious.

When you are righteous and living a life of holiness and you speak and act as Messiah did it will DRAW men (unbelievers ) towards you and they will ask WHAT makes you so different from everyone else.... you LIFE'S testimony will speak because it is not YOU they see but rather MESSIAH...

I fall far short myself. I do not judge my fellow man as best as I can avoid it because I am in DESPERATE need of mercy and forgiveness. I am silent about my beliefs at work unless I am specifically asked and when asked I answer why I believe what I believe.

The best thing we can do is to be continually praying "G-d change me. I want more of you. I want to walk in your ways, teach me your ways. I want to speak only those things that please you...."

When our focus is pleasing the Father then we don't have time to look at someone else and accuse them of anything. If my attention is on G-d change me... then I dont have time to judge anyone else. I will let Adonai work on my brother and sister. I will let HIM do the convicting and wooing of the sinner. All I have to do is focus on the Father and when I am asked to give an account concerning my life and what I believe then I am prepared to speak about how G-d has changed me and is continuing to change me....