Denominations: Doctrinal/Theological Differences

St Herman's Ghost

Orthodoxy or Death
Aug 14, 2015
158
51
34
WV
✟15,563.00
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Others
...which is exactly what other churches say also.

They also lack the objective evidences to prove it unlike the Orthodox Church; instead relying on dodgy rationalizations for schism (Catholics) or cite some equally dodgy allegiance to some weird "first century Church," whom has no basis in actuality reality to justify heretical and or out-right blasphemous beliefs (any Protestant sect ever).

My point is that you don't have to delve into the ridiculous 'debate' about what church is right if you only too the history of the faith, Church and the Sacred Traditions.

You can bypass all I that headache and confusion, this way, lol

So, that doesn't really solve anything, EVEN IF being wrong for longer than some other Christians were something we'd consider to be a virtue. ;)

Who said we were wrong?
 
Upvote 0

Albion

Facilitator
Dec 8, 2004
111,138
33,258
✟583,842.00
Country
United States
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
They also lack the objective evidences to prove it unlike the Orthodox Church
They say that they do.

instead relying on dodgy rationalizations for schism (Catholics) or cite some equally dodgy allegiance to some weird "first century Church," whom has no basis in actuality reality to justify heretical and or out-right blasphemous beliefs (any Protestant sect ever).
Well, I wasn't including any Protestant churches in that comment. They obviously do not rely upon the theory that says "whatever was, must be right."

My point is that you don't have to delve into the ridiculous 'debate' about what church is right if you only too the history of the faith, Church and the Sacred Traditions.
The point was simply that age does not confer correctness. And that's quite aside from whether or not the Orthodox Eastern churches (or any of the other Catholic jurisdictions) actually do adhere to the faith and practices of the Apostolic Church. As noted by another poster, that's an easy claim to make but not an easy one to substantiate.
 
Upvote 0

St Herman's Ghost

Orthodoxy or Death
Aug 14, 2015
158
51
34
WV
✟15,563.00
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Others
They say that they do.

Alright and that has yet to be demonstrated in material reality. Pseudo-histories don't really count.

Well, I wasn't including any Protestant churches in that comment. They obviously do not rely upon the theory that says "whatever was, must be right."

That's not really what I was saying and is more or less bastardizing my point but ok.

The point was simply that age does not confer correctness.

I never really said it did. I believe I said that archaeological evidences combined with ecumenical councils, historically observed Christian traditions, and so on offer a shortcut to a proper understanding of Christianity as a hole, a short cut. Combined with this of course the teachings of the Church by Christ, his apostles, their rightful successors/early Church Fathers, and so on.

These aren't fairy tales, if you read the Bible, study history, see our Churches, recognize the geographic locations of our patriarchates, you can see a direct connection to the Apostles and thus a direct connection to our Lord Jesus. It's not merely age, it's the whole picture.

Perhaps I should have clarified my posts. I mean, whom comprised the pentarchy? Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria. Guess who all stayed together after Rome decided to be a diva? Guess what title they ultimately took? It rhymes with Mortomox.

Then what happened? Martin Luthor started shouting at clouds and indulgence peddlers and poof, Protestantism. Logically, even from this superficial and simplistic tracing of Christian history, you could make a few assumptions. Then when you get into actual theology, christology, and so on, it really only seems to reinforce things.

And that's quite aside from whether or not the Orthodox Eastern churches (or any of the other Catholic jurisdictions) actually do adhere to the faith and practices of the Apostolic Church. As noted by another poster, that's an easy claim to make but not an easy one to substantiate.

Actually, it is pretty easy.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Albion

Facilitator
Dec 8, 2004
111,138
33,258
✟583,842.00
Country
United States
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
Alright and that has yet to be demonstrated in material reality. Pseudo-histories don't really count.
Well, all denominations and communions have their own versions of what history was. What actually happened--or didn't happen--and what they tell their members are two quite different things.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Job8
Upvote 0

Job8

Senior Member
Dec 1, 2014
4,634
1,801
✟21,583.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Well, all denominations and communions have their own versions of what history was. What actually happened--or didn't happen--and what they tell their members are two quite different things.
This is so true. And let's face it. There has been a lot of revisionism when the history was murky and unpalatable. We won't name names but that is what we will find. Those who were genuine Christians were labeled "heretics" while those who were apostate were deemed to be defenders of the faith. Foxe's Book of Martyrs is a good place to start.
 
Upvote 0

St Herman's Ghost

Orthodoxy or Death
Aug 14, 2015
158
51
34
WV
✟15,563.00
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Others
Well, all denominations and communions have their own versions of what history was. What actually happened--or didn't happen--and what they tell their members are two quite different things.

It's not just an "Orthodox account of history," it's also confirmed by secular academia. Which is to say, you can believe in some false reality if you wish but rationalizing this as 'personal opinion' doesn't make it any less delusional or fictitious.
 
Upvote 0

St Herman's Ghost

Orthodoxy or Death
Aug 14, 2015
158
51
34
WV
✟15,563.00
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Others
This is so true. And let's face it. There has been a lot of revisionism when the history was murky and unpalatable. We won't name names but that is what we will find. Those who were genuine Christians were labeled "heretics" while those who were apostate were deemed to be defenders of the faith. Foxe's Book of Martyrs is a good place to start.

The East doesn't have an equivalent to the Wests inquisitions, if that's what you're referring too. Actually, what are you referring too?
 
Upvote 0

Job8

Senior Member
Dec 1, 2014
4,634
1,801
✟21,583.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
The East doesn't have an equivalent to the Wests inquisitions, if that's what you're referring too. Actually, what are you referring too?
I would agree completely. The Eastern Orthodox Church was not involved with things such as inquisitions. Had the papacy never existed, things might have been quite different.
 
Upvote 0

St Herman's Ghost

Orthodoxy or Death
Aug 14, 2015
158
51
34
WV
✟15,563.00
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Others
I would agree completely. The Eastern Orthodox Church was not involved with things such as inquisitions. Had the papacy never existed, things might have been quite different.

The papacy always existed, even before the Great Schism of 1054. In fact, the patriarch of Rome was always highly regarded and had a position of prominence even if equal with other bishops however due to politico-economic changes, language and a great deal of other things, this unfortunate incident took place, Rome broke away, and some things evolved.
 
Upvote 0

Albion

Facilitator
Dec 8, 2004
111,138
33,258
✟583,842.00
Country
United States
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
It's not just an "Orthodox account of history," it's also confirmed by secular academia. Which is to say, you can believe in some false reality if you wish but rationalizing this as 'personal opinion' doesn't make it any less delusional or fictitious.

This all depends on what the "it" is. Some of the claims of Orthodox Christians--like the claims made by adherents of other communions--are true. Some are not.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Open Heart

Well-Known Member
Aug 3, 2014
18,521
4,393
62
Southern California
✟49,214.00
Country
United States
Faith
Seeker
Marital Status
Celibate
Surely there exists somewhere an accurate guide to the theological and doctrinal differences of the various "major" Christian denominations.
Here is a very brief Guide to the MAJOR denominations: http://churchrelevance.com/qa-list-of-all-christian-denominations-and-their-beliefs/
While going through this, you will probably have to google certain descriptive terms like "define pentecostal" "define evangelical" etc.

Note: non-denominational churches tend to be fundamentalist/evangelical. Sometimes they are pentecostal and sometimes not.

Be mindful of churches with signs that say "Community Church" or some other trendy name. They may simply not be advertising their denomination.

This field is my personal specialty. I went through quite a personal search myself before I settled on being a Catholic. I not only know the differences between the denominations but I know their histories and their relationships to one another. If you have any questions in your research, feel free to PM me.

Open Heart
 
Upvote 0

Open Heart

Well-Known Member
Aug 3, 2014
18,521
4,393
62
Southern California
✟49,214.00
Country
United States
Faith
Seeker
Marital Status
Celibate
I would agree completely. The Eastern Orthodox Church was not involved with things such as inquisitions. Had the papacy never existed, things might have been quite different.
Are you kidding me? The EOC was involved in all the mass pogroms against the Jews. These EOC pogroms were carried out as late as 1905, and that's not including the one's done in collusion with the Nazis. There are Jews today that still have grandparents who remember hiding in closets while their parents were slaughtered by Cossacks wearing crosses. Things were far worse in the East and still are today. Don't you remember how widescale antisemitism reared its ugly head in the Ukraine, and in Hungary?
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Albion

Facilitator
Dec 8, 2004
111,138
33,258
✟583,842.00
Country
United States
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married

I'm sorry to say it, but that list is woefully inadequate. Anyone seeking a really accurate and reasonably comprehensive list probably is going to have to locate a bunch of such lists and compare them carefully. Were this one just a list of the "major" church bodies (as was said), it might do all right, but it's no at all accurate, either.
 
Upvote 0

St Herman's Ghost

Orthodoxy or Death
Aug 14, 2015
158
51
34
WV
✟15,563.00
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Others
Are you kidding me? The EOC was involved in all the mass pogroms against the Jews. These EOC pogroms were carried out as late as 1905, and that's not including the one's done in collusion with the Nazis. There are Jews today that still have grandparents who remember hiding in closets while their parents were slaughtered by Cossacks wearing crosses. Things were far worse in the East and still are today. Don't you remember how widescale antisemitism reared its ugly head in the Ukraine, and in Hungary?

Ok so what 'progroms'? The EOC has never been a part of a Church sanctioned incident of violence like the RCC and the inquisition. All churches held anti-Semitic beliefs at one point up until relatively recently however this is more of secular culture infecting Christianity than anything. I guess what I'm saying is 'prove it'
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Open Heart

Well-Known Member
Aug 3, 2014
18,521
4,393
62
Southern California
✟49,214.00
Country
United States
Faith
Seeker
Marital Status
Celibate
Ok so what 'progroms'? The EOC has never been a part of a Church sanctioned incident of violence like the RCC and the inquisition. All churches held anti-Semitic beliefs at one point up until relatively recently however this is more of secular culture infecting Christianity than anything. I guess what I'm saying is 'prove it'
All of them. For example, the Russian Orthodox Church was voluntarily in total submission to the state, which ordered the pogroms. Those who carried out the pogroms did so in the name of Christianity, with cries of "Christ Killer, and the Church did not object. Clergy were among those who participated in the pogroms.

You ask what pogroms. Here is a link for you to read:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire
The anti-Jewish riots in Kishinev, Bessarabia [modern Moldova], are worse than the censor will permit to publish. There was a well laid-out plan for the general massacre of Jews on the day following the Orthodox Easter. The mob was led by priests, and the general cry, "Kill the Jews", was taken up all over the city.

Yes, all Churches held anti-Semitic beliefs too much until recently (the holocaust had much to do with the change). Yet I think the persecution in the East was the worst. What's awful is that it is on the rise again both places.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

St Herman's Ghost

Orthodoxy or Death
Aug 14, 2015
158
51
34
WV
✟15,563.00
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Others
All of them. For example, the Russian Orthodox Church was voluntarily in total submission to the state, which ordered the pogroms. Those who carried out the pogroms did so in the name of Christianity, with cries of "Christ Killer, and the Church did not object. Clergy were among those who participated in the pogroms.

You ask what pogroms. Here is a link for you to read:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire
The anti-Jewish riots in Kishinev, Bessarabia [modern Moldova], are worse than the censor will permit to publish. There was a well laid-out plan for the general massacre of Jews on the day following the Orthodox Easter. The mob was led by priests, and the general cry, "Kill the Jews", was taken up all over the city.

Yes, all Churches held anti-Semitic beliefs too much until recently (the holocaust had much to do with the change). Yet I think the persecution in the East was the worst. What's awful is that it is on the rise again both places.

Ok so the anecdote of priests leading progroms seems dubious at best and the rest I see violence carried out by a) ordinary people of the citizenry whom just so happen to be Orthodox and b) the Tsarist secret police. Such progroms against the Jews followed after the revolution with the doctor's plot under Stalin and state Atheism. So again, this suggests something cultural perverting the faith and this all different than the inquisition, crusades, etc. in which the RCC itself sanctioned and carried out these actions.
 
Upvote 0

Tangible

Decision Theology = Ex Opere Operato
May 29, 2009
9,837
1,416
cruce tectum
Visit site
✟59,743.00
Country
United States
Faith
Lutheran
Marital Status
Married
Here is a very brief Guide to the MAJOR denominations: http://churchrelevance.com/qa-list-of-all-christian-denominations-and-their-beliefs/
While going through this, you will probably have to google certain descriptive terms like "define pentecostal" "define evangelical" etc.

Note: non-denominational churches tend to be fundamentalist/evangelical. Sometimes they are pentecostal and sometimes not.

Be mindful of churches with signs that say "Community Church" or some other trendy name. They may simply not be advertising their denomination.

This field is my personal specialty. I went through quite a personal search myself before I settled on being a Catholic. I not only know the differences between the denominations but I know their histories and their relationships to one another. If you have any questions in your research, feel free to PM me.

Open Heart
This list seems to have overlooked about 3 million non-ELCA Lutherans.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

bbbbbbb

Well-Known Member
Jun 9, 2015
28,278
13,507
72
✟369,745.00
Faith
Non-Denom
This list seems to have overlooked about 3 million non-ELCA Lutherans.

I noticed aspects like that, as well. I also found it peculiar that they accepted the claimed numbers of members by the various denominations. For example, Vineyard claims 15,000,000 members, but I would be amazed if their actual membership is even 10% of that number.
 
Upvote 0