'Guardian angels'

tansy said:

Do you think it's true that everyone has a guardian angel, especially children?

If so, do you think that God ever withdraws an angel from supporting/protecting/ministering to anyone?

For example, do you think that someone like Hitler would have had a guardian angel as a baby/child? And if so, do you think that at some point thay angel might have been withdrawn? And if God knew beforehand that that would be the case, why would He have bothered to assign an angel in the first place?

I know any answers may be purely speculative, but I was just wondering.

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Yes there are guardian angels - and yes those angels do leave people that reject Christ and choose Satan as their leader - such as Hitler. Satan has his servants - and he counts a great many as subjects of his kingdom on earth.

However there are many ranks and domains for the angels - the close level is that of guardian Angel - but there are other levels. For example - take your neighborhood - suppose only a small number are genuine Christians - is it true that all the rest of the houses are in complete chaos, rocks falling out of the sky - demons running the street? No. In Rev 7:1-4 the Angels of God are seen holding back the winds of strife - restraining evil - God maintains an 'environment' where evangelism can occur.

Here is a question we should all consider - in Matt 7 Jesus said that even within the church - many go to hell - few go to heaven.

So ask yourself this - "am I making my guardian angel's life pure misery or a joy - each day?"

tansy said:

Do you think it's true that everyone has a guardian angel, especially children?

If so, do you think that God ever withdraws an angel from supporting/protecting/ministering to anyone?

For example, do you think that someone like Hitler would have had a guardian angel as a baby/child? And if so, do you think that at some point thay angel might have been withdrawn? And if God knew beforehand that that would be the case, why would He have bothered to assign an angel in the first place?

I know any answers may be purely speculative, but I was just wondering.

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Yes, I believe God assigns angels as guardians.

Does God ever withdraw one? Ah .... I don't know if there is any real teaching of this. Never saw it. I can't say offhand because I've never looked into it, but I've never seen anything to support that.

We can OFFEND our angels. Can you imagine a Holy Angel being forced to be present, or go with a person on an errand of evil?

Perhaps they can abandon us or withdraw ... though I rather doubt it's necessarily permanent. That is speculation on my part though.

tansy said:

Do you think it's true that everyone has a guardian angel, especially children?

If so, do you think that God ever withdraws an angel from supporting/protecting/ministering to anyone?

For example, do you think that someone like Hitler would have had a guardian angel as a baby/child? And if so, do you think that at some point thay angel might have been withdrawn? And if God knew beforehand that that would be the case, why would He have bothered to assign an angel in the first place?

I know any answers may be purely speculative, but I was just wondering.

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It's my thought that everyone has a guardian angel at birth but upon becoming a child of God that assignment is taken on by the Godhead personally. The Christian can offend the Holy Spirit within by stifling it's influence and thereby allowing the flesh, satan or the world become the influence for the moment but not the main influence in their life.

But angel's influence I think are for those who lack the HS. Biblically angels are given to children. I'm kind of unsure if there wasn't a different action happening between the OT and NT because of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Did Hitler lose the angel assigned to him? I think that the angel would be there recording his evil actions perhaps.

I do not think our guardian angels leave us
just as in this life God never totally abandons a person
He wants all men to be saved, so He would never remove a persons guardian angel while still alive

I think you can have more then one guardian angel, so God may send more angels if a person becomes a Christian
or if someone prays for you, God might send an angel in response to the prayers of the faithful

Rhamiel said:

I do not think our guardian angels leave us
just as in this life God never totally abandons a person
He wants all men to be saved, so He would never remove a persons guardian angel while still alive

I think you can have more then one guardian angel, so God may send more angels if a person becomes a Christian
or if someone prays for you, God might send an angel in response to the prayers of the faithful

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Hmmmm.

I probably need as many angels as I can get.

tansy said:

Do you think it's true that everyone has a guardian angel, especially children?

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"Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?" [Hebrews 1:14]

Kylissa said:

Hmmmm.

I probably need as many angels as I can get.

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Is this enough?



Seriously though I was taught when I was a kid that guardian angels existed so I do believe they do.

Yeah, they don't live in you when they are sent to guard you or minister to you. They are their own entities unto God. God can pull them out of their mission if He so chooses! He is sovereign LORD and He can do whatever He wants to do!

If you have angel watching over you as an adult, that means you are chosen by God. You are special to Him. As children grow, not all will become 'the called' because their hearts will be against God.

Angels themselves do not know God's Master Plan. They are sent here on special missions, all of which vary. He informs them as they need to know to accomplish their mission.


I have wanted to do a proper study on this but have not yet, but I will give it to you here as it applies to who is chosen and who will be glorified with Him in Heaven. It speaks of predestination:

"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified." ~Romans 8:28-30

From these verses I made a tentative flowchart. Please regard:

World/Spirit

conception/foreknew us ~All souls (inc those aborted)
birth/predestined us ~All people
born again/called us ~Christians
faith/obedience/justified us ~saints on earth
death/glorified us ~saints in Heaven


or something to that effect. Main point is this: All life is a miracle and gift from God but not all life will make it up this hierarchy unto Him. As people grow and assert their free will, they fall away from God and follow the wide road to destruction. The called are those who become Christians. He is especially jealous for those lost souls who could be saints but who have fallen away from Him.

This is especially when He employs angels I believe.

We Lutherans certainly accept the idea of Guardian Angels, and it's reflected in how we pray; Luther's morning and evening prayers:

Morning Prayer

In the morning, when you rise, you shall bless yourself with the holy cross and say:

In the name of God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Amen.

Then, kneeling or standing, repeat the Creed and the Lord’s Prayer. If you choose, you may, in addition, say this little prayer:

I thank Thee, my Heavenly Father, through Jesus Christ, Thy dear Son, that Thou hast kept me this night from all harm and danger; and I pray Thee to keep me this day also from sin and all evil, that all my doings and life may please Thee. For into Thy hands I commend myself, my body and soul, and all things. Let Thy holy angel be with me, that the Wicked Foe may have no power over me. Amen.

Then go to your work with joy, singing a hymn, such as one on the Ten Commandments, or what your devotion may suggest.

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Evening Prayer

In the evening, when you go to bed, you shall bless yourself with the holy cross and say:

In the name of God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Amen.

Then, kneeling or standing, repeat the Creed and the Lord’s Prayer. If you choose, you may, in addition, say this little prayer:

I thank Thee, my Heavenly Father, through Jesus Christ, Thy dear Son, that Thou hast graciously kept me this day, and I pray Thee to forgive me all my sins, where I have done wrong, and graciously keep me this night. For into Thy hands I commend myself, my body and soul, and all things. Let Thy holy angel be with me, that the Wicked Foe may have no power over me. Amen.

Then go to sleep promptly and cheerfully.

I believe there are angels around us.

from: http://www.whiteestate.org/devotional/mar/11_02.asp


We shall Meet Our Guardian Angels


He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. Ps. 91:11.


Not until the providences of God are seen in the light of eternity shall we understand what we owe to the care and interposition of His angels. Celestial beings have taken an active part in the affairs of men. They have appeared in garments that shone as the lightning; they have come as men, in the garb of wayfarers. They have accepted the hospitalities of human homes; they acted as guides to benighted travelers. They have thwarted the spoiler's purpose and turned aside the stroke of the destroyer.

Though the rulers of this world know it not, yet often in their councils angels have been spokesmen. Human eyes have looked upon them. Human ears have listened to their appeals. In the council hall and the court of justice, heavenly messengers have pleaded the cause of the persecuted and oppressed. They have defeated purposes and arrested evils that would have brought wrong and suffering to God's children. To the students in the heavenly school, all this will be unfolded.

Every redeemed one will understand the ministry of angels in his own life. The angel who was his guardian from his earliest moment; the angel who watched his steps, and covered his head in the day of peril; the angel who was with him in the valley of the shadow of death, who marked his resting place, who was the first to greet him in the resurrection morning--what will it be to hold converse with him, and to learn the history of divine interposition in the individual life, of heavenly co-operation in every work for humanity!

With the word of God in his hands, every human being, wherever his lot in life may be cast, may have such companionship as he shall choose. In its pages he may hold converse with the noblest and best of the human race, and may listen to the voice of the Eternal as He speaks with men. As he studies and meditates upon the themes into which "the angels desire to look" (1 Peter 1:12), he may have their companionship.

From Maranatha - Page 315

This was written in the 1800's --- think "IPhone"


Angels of God are all around us. You do not discern them with your human vision. Satan and his angels are here in this house today. Oh, we want to know these things, and fear and tremble, and to think much more of the power of the angels of God that are watching over and guarding us than we have done hitherto. We want to place ourselves under the blood-stained banner of Prince Emmanuel. We do not want to be serving Baal. We do not want to be giving ourselves up to the powers of darkness. Angels of God are commissioned from heaven to guard the children of men, and yet they draw away from their restraining influences and go where they can have communication with the evil angels; and then the evil angels fasten impressions in their minds that they will never get rid of so long as they live, just as going to the theater, billiard hall, and all such places lead them from the path of God to stand under the black banner of the prince of darkness. Oh, that we might all obey the injunction of the apostle. (Read 2 Corinthians 6:17, 18.){5MR 125.2}

The Lord desires that his people shall be a wise people, and carry a sensible influence wherever they go. He has given us capabilities, and a part to act in his work. Let us act our part as faithfully as the four Hebrew worthies acted theirs. Then angels of God will preside in our homes.{GCB May 30, 1909, par. 24}

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Pleasant voices, gentle manners, and sincere affection that finds expression in all the actions, make even a hovel the happiest of homes, upon which the Creator looks with approbation, unto which angels are attracted, the inmates of which, though they have not “that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel,” have that which is far better, “the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.”{HR November 1, 1876, Art. B, par. 8}

BobRyan said:

Here is a question we should all consider - in Matt 7 Jesus said that even within the church - many go to hell - few go to heaven.

So ask yourself this - "am I making my guardian angel's life pure misery or a joy - each day?"

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I would say I make my guardian angel's life pure misery, yet the rain falls on the just and unjust. We cannot live our lives thinking that we can do what we wish and pedal to the metal and to hell with the consequences. It does not work that way, even when Jesus was tempted by Satan, to throw Himself off a cliff, for the angels would stop His fall. Christ said not to tempt the Lord thy God. We can be protected when we are unaware, but we are not to drive purposefully off of a cliff thinking we will be saved. There are times when some of us will be taken by no fault of our own, but none of us should fear death, for to shed the flesh, is to be with the Lord. Why do we fear the inevitable? God is not going to leave us hanging. All our ancestors have gone the same route as Adam........no one leaves earth alive. God will not ever leave you and every sheep will be accounted for and none shall take one from His hand. Christ spoke truth, I plead for you to believe Him, for His words mean something, Man's words do not. You are in good hands no matter what.

ob77 said:

You are in good hands no matter what.

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"I forgave you ALL that debt." is the claim of God in Matt 18.
"Should you not have forgiven your fellow servant JUST AS I in fact fully forgave you?"

And what is the end of it?? "RETURN all the debt" !!

And the conclusion "So shall My Father do to each one of you - if you do not forgive your brother from your heart" -- Matt 18.

Forgiveness revoked - is the warning we find in the Bible.

so then - it is wise to cooperate with Heaven's ministering spirits - if we are opposing them we are choosing the downward path of Matt 7 where Christ said "not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord - will enter the kingdom of heaven"

BobRyan said:

"I forgave you ALL that debt." is the claim of God in Matt 18.
"Should you not have forgiven your fellow servant JUST AS I in fact fully forgave you?"

And what is the end of it?? "RETURN all the debt" !!

And the conclusion "So shall My Father do to each one of you - if you do not forgive your brother from your heart" -- Matt 18.

Forgiveness revoked - is the warning we find in the Bible.

so then - it is wise to cooperate with Heaven's ministering spirits - if we are opposing them we are choosing the downward path of Matt 7 where Christ said "not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord - will enter the kingdom of heaven"

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Yes, but there are the firstfruits, the very elect which will not bow the knee to anti-Christ and then there are the rest who will, but are saved none the less, but will have to earn through works to gain dwelling in the Kingdom. God is not going to destroy any of His own Household even though they screwed up - that is the lesson of passing through the flesh, for we were once with God in heaven before we came here. He knows who he can depend on and who needs a little prodding.
God chastises those who He loves and it is for correction and guidance. Now, forgiveness is giving ones grievance against another over to God. It is when we seek to right a wrong, real or imagined, is where we get into trouble. God is much smarter than we are and will deal with injustice in ways we cannot perceive as yet. But we are certainly to give it over to Him, for He knows all the details of both sides when there may be a misunderstanding between the parties involved. He will always do the right thing by all.

ob77 said:

Yes, but there are the firstfruits, the very elect which will not bow the knee to anti-Christ and then there are the rest who will, but are saved none the less, but will have to earn through works to gain dwelling in the Kingdom. God is not going to destroy any of His own Household even though they screwed up - that is the lesson of passing through the flesh, for we were once with God in heaven before we came here.

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The Bible rejects that Idea.

There is no re-incarnation for mankind according to the Bible - and no incarnation from some prior spirit existence.

The Bible does not say "we were once with God in heaven before we came here"

The only being that has come to earth as a human - who pre-existed in heaven - is Christ who said "before Abraham was - I am" John 8
John 17 Christ claims to have been with the Father before He came to earth - no other person in the Bible makes this claim.
5 "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was."


(John 3:13; 6:33, 38, 62; 8:23; 16:28). Christ even said that He existed prior to Abraham’s birth (John 8:58–59) even though Abraham’s birth preceded Jesus’ own birth by many centuries! Several texts present Jesus as pre-existing with His Father (Romans 8:3; 1 John 1:2; Galatians 4:4). Several passages even identify Jesus as the Creator (John 1:2–3; Colossians 1:16–17; Hebrews 1:2).

None of this is ever said about any other human.

John 3 states that man starts out on earth and ends here in death "from the dust you were taken - to dust you shall return"
You will eat bread,
Till you return to the ground,
Because from it you were taken;
For you are dust,
And to dust you shall return.”'

Psalms 103
14 For He knows our frame;
He remembers that we are dust.

God foreknew the sins of mankind - but that does not mean that mankind was sinning in heaven before born on earth.
God is omniscient (Psalm 139:1–6), and He knows the future (Isaiah 46:10).

Matthew 18:10 "See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven always look upon the face of my heavenly Father."
As I see it, the only case against guardian angels is to employ Higher Criticism to denigrate sayings of Jesus that appear in only one gospel.
I'm with ob77.