Where Did Rapture Theology Come From?

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When Jesus said that He would come as a thief in the night, he gave a very good image of what the job would entail.

Your "thief in the night" phrase reveals the timing of the event, if we are willing to see it.


1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

He comes as a thief in the night to the ungodly at His Second Coming, as revealed above.

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2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie This has the Rapture written all over It . Enjoy

No, it does not have "Rapture written all over it." Remember a little thing called "CONTEXT." You study the Bible IN CONTEXT, not by isolating scriptures to suit your pre-conceptions. Now, here' the CONTEXT:

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Same verses, different part of the Bible. Therefore, it is speaking of the same event. And what is that event?

If you read the preceding 50 verses of 1 Corinthians 15, you see that Paul's entire discourse is talking about the Resurrection. It has nothing to do with some mystical event some 2,000 years later, as pre-millenialists so desire. The Corinthians were beginning to doubt the veracity of the Resurrection. Paul strengthens them in their faith and explains more about the Resurrection. The verses above speak of the suddenness of it and how it will affect both the living and the dead.

And as was said earlier, this nonsense about a "Rapture of the Church" was absolutely unknown to the Church as a doctrine for 1800 years until a wee Scottish lassie had too many pickle and ice cream sandwiches before going to bed one night!
 
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Well you better read the "lassie's purported vision .... it is on the Internet


Does she have the "church" escaping the tribulation? .... or in the same?

If you think that what you call the "pre-tribulation rapture" idea was a product of MacDonald's story, you have been hoaxed .... by another story

And the guy that told you the story is a false teacher [David McPherson] .... and so is his mentor
 
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The vision actually promotes a post-tribulation view with the church going through the tribulation period

McPherson claims that Darby concocted a pre-tribulation view based upon this vision ..... McPherson has created a hoax and apparently thinks that people are just to ignorant to check him out

,... he is apparently right given the numbers who have fallen for his ruse

He then uses his story to claim that the pre-tribulation "rapture" is a "lie of the devil"


[This is Margaret Macdonald's handwritten account of her 1830 Pre-Trib revelation, as included in Robert Norton'sMemoirs of James & George Macdonald of Port-Glasgow (1840), pp. 171-176. The italicized portions represent her account as it appears in shorter form in Norton's The Restoration of Apostles and Prophets; In the Catholic Apostolic Church (1861), pp 15-18.]


"It was first the awful state of the land that was pressed upon me.(1) I saw the blindness and infatuation of the people to be very great. I felt the cry of Liberty just to be the hiss of the serpent, to drown them in perdition. It was just `no God.' I repeated the words, Now there is distress of nations, with perplexity, the seas and the waves roaring, men's hearts failing them for fear - now look out for the sign of the Son of man. Here I was made to stop and cry out, 0 it is not known what the sign of the Son of man is; the people of God think they are waiting, but they know not what it is. I felt this needed to be revealed, and that there was great darkness and error about it; but suddenly what it was burst upon me with a glorious light I saw it was just the Lord himself descending from Heaven with a shout, just the glorified man. even Jesus; but that all must, as Stephen was, be filled with the Holy Ghost, that they might look up, and see the brightness of the Father's glory. I saw the error to be, that men think that it will be something seen by the natural eye; but 'tis spiritual discernment that is needed, the eye of God in his people. Many passages were revealed, in a light in which I had not before seen them. I repeated, `Now is the kingdom of Heaven like unto ten virgins, who went forth to meet the Bridegroom, five wise and five foolish; they that were foolish took their lamps, but took no oil with them; but they that were wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.' 'But be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is; and be not drunk with winewherein is excess, but be filled with the Spirit.' This was the oil the wise virgins took in their vessels - this is the light to be kept burning - the light of God - that we may discern that which cometh not with observation to the natural eye. Only those who have the light of God within them will see the sign of his appearance. No need to follow them who say, see here, or see there, for his day shall be as the lightning to those in whom the living Christ is. 'Tis Christ in us that will lift us up - he is the light - 'tis only those that are alive in him that will be caught up to meet him in the air. I saw that we must be in the Spirit, that we might see spiritual things. John was in the Spirit, when he saw a throne set in Heaven. - But I saw that the glory of the ministration of the Spirit had not been known. I repeated frequently, but the spiritual temple must and shall be reared, and the fullness of Christ be poured into his body, and then shall we be caught up to meet him. Oh none will be counted worthy of this calling but his body,which is the church, and which must be a candlestick all of gold. I often said, Oh the glorious inbreaking of Godwhich is now about to burst on this earth; Oh the glorious temple which is now about to be reared, the bride adorned for her husband; and Oh what a holy, holy bride she must be, to be prepared for such a glorious bridegroom. I said, Now shall the people of God have to do with realities - now shall the glorious mystery of God in our nature be known - now shall it be known what it is for man to be glorified. I felt that the revelation of Jesus Christ had yet to be opened up - it is not knowledge about God that it contains, but it is an entering into God - I saw that there was a glorious breaking in of God to be. I feIt as Elijah surrounded with chariots of fire. I saw as it were, the spiritual temple reared, and the Head Stone brought forth with shoutings of grace, grace, unto it. It was a glorious light above the brightness of the sun, that shone round about me. I felt that those who were filled with the spirit could see spiritual things, and feel walking in the midst of them, while those who had not the Spirit could see nothing - so that two shall be in one bed, the one taken and the other left, because the one has the light of God within while the other cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven. I saw the people of God in an awfully dangerous situation, surrounded by nets and entanglements, about to be tried, and many about to be deceived and fall. Now will THE WICKED be revealed, with all power and signs and lying wonders, so that if it were possible the very elect will be deceived. - This is the fiery trial which is to try us. - It will be for the purging and purifying of the real members of the body of Jesus; but Oh it will be a fiery trial. Every soul will be shaken to the very centre. The enemy will try to shake in every thing we have believed - But the trial of real faith will be found to honour and praise and glory. Nothing but what is of God will stand. The stony-ground hearers will be made manifest - the love of many will wax cold I frequently said that night, and often since, now shall the awful sight of a false Christ be seen on this earth. and nothing but the living Christ in us can detect this awful attempt of the enemy to deceive - or it is with all deceivableness of unrighteousness he will work - he will have a counterpart for every part of God's truth and an imitation for every work of the Spirit. The Spirit must and will be poured out on the church, that she may be purified and filled with God - and just in proportion as the Spirit of God works, so will he when our Lord anoints men with power, so will he. This is particularly the nature of the trial, through which those are to pass who will be counted worthy to stand before the Son of man. There will be outward trial too, but `tis principally temptation. It is brought on by the outpouring of the Spirit, and will just increase in proportion as the Spirit is poured out. The trial of the Church is from Antichrist. It is by being filled with the Spirit that we shall be kept. I frequently said, Oh be filled with the Spirit - have the light of God in you, that you may detect Satan - be full of eyes within - be clay in the hands of the potter - submit to be filled, filled with God This will build the temple. It is not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit saith the Lord. This will fit us to enter into the marriage supper of the lamb. I saw It to be the will of God that all should be filled. But what hindered the real life of God from being received by his people, was their turning from Jesus. who is the way to the Father. They were not entering in by the door. For he is faithful who hath said, by me if any man enter in he shall find pasture. They were passing the cross, through which every drop of the Spirit of God flows to us. All power that comes not through the blood of Christ is not of God. When I say, they are looking from the cross, I feel that there is much in it - they turn from the blood of the Lamb, by which we overcome, and in which our robes are washed and made white. There are low views of God's holiness, and ceasing to condemn sin in the flesh, and a looking from him who humbled himself, and made himself of no reputation. Oh! it is needed, much needed at present, a leading back to the cross, I saw that night, and often since, that there will be an outpouring of the Spirit on the body, such as has not been, a baptism of fire, that all the dross may be put away. Oh there must and will be such an indwelling of the living God as has not been - the servants of God sealed in their foreheads - great conformity to Jesus - his holy holy image seen in his people just the bride made comely, by his comeliness put upon her. This is what we are at present made to pray much for, that speedily we may all be made ready to meet our Lord in the air - and it will be. Jesus wants his bride. His desire is toward us. He that shall come, will come, and will not tarry. Amen and Amen. Even so come Lord Jesus."


This vision places the mortal church squarely in the tribulation with meeting the Lord "in the air" at end of the same
 
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Does anyone deny that Dispensationalism is a hodgepodge theology using elements of Premillennialism found in Asia minor during the early church, Jesuit eschatology that was created to remove suspicion of the papacy being antichrist and John Nelson Darby’s insistence that we divide God’s people into one ethnic (Israel) and the other Gentile?
 
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Same old junk from you .... like a broken record

Why don't you address the subject of MacDonald's vision?

Anyone can read that the vision projects a post-tribulation setting and not a pre-tribulation action by the Lord to immortalize His true ecclesia .... the vision has the "church" in the tribulation period on the earth

Your entire position is built upon a hoax perpetrated by David McPherson and the like.... that Darby got his pre-tribulation thinking from the vision .... impossible

You are like a parrot that just mimics what you have heard with no understanding
 
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The vision actually promotes a post-tribulation view with the church going through the tribulation period (That was before Irving and Darby got hold of it.)


[This is Margaret Macdonald's handwritten account of her 1830 Pre-Trib revelation, as included in Robert Norton'sMemoirs of James & George Macdonald of Port-Glasgow (1840), pp. 171-176. The italicized portions represent her account as it appears in shorter form in Norton's The Restoration of Apostles and Prophets; In the Catholic Apostolic Church (1861), pp 15-18.]


"It was first the awful state of the land that was pressed upon me.(1) I saw the blindness and infatuation of the people to be very great. I felt the cry of Liberty just to be the hiss of the serpent, to drown them in perdition. It was just `no God.' I repeated the words, Now there is distress of nations, with perplexity, the seas and the waves roaring, men's hearts failing them for fear - now look out for the sign of the Son of man. Here I was made to stop and cry out, 0 it is not known what the sign of the Son of man is; the people of God think they are waiting, but they know not what it is. I felt this needed to be revealed, and that there was great darkness and error about it; but suddenly what it was burst upon me with a glorious light I saw it was just the Lord himself descending from Heaven with a shout, just the glorified man. even Jesus; but that all must, as Stephen was, be filled with the Holy Ghost, that they might look up, and see the brightness of the Father's glory. I saw the error to be, that men think that it will be something seen by the natural eye; but 'tis spiritual discernment that is needed, the eye of God in his people. Many passages were revealed, in a light in which I had not before seen them. I repeated, `Now is the kingdom of Heaven like unto ten virgins, who went forth to meet the Bridegroom, five wise and five foolish; they that were foolish took their lamps, but took no oil with them; but they that were wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.' 'But be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is; and be not drunk with winewherein is excess, but be filled with the Spirit.' This was the oil the wise virgins took in their vessels - this is the light to be kept burning - the light of God - that we may discern that which cometh not with observation to the natural eye. Only those who have the light of God within them will see the sign of his appearance.(This is your "Secret Rapture". According to her, only some will see him. However scripture says every eye will see him.) No need to follow them who say, see here, or see there, for his day shall be as the lightning to those in whom the living Christ is. 'Tis Christ in us that will lift us up - he is the light - 'tis only those that are alive in him that will be caught up to meet him in the air. I saw that we must be in the Spirit, that we might see spiritual things. John was in the Spirit, when he saw a throne set in Heaven. - But I saw that the glory of the ministration of the Spirit had not been known. I repeated frequently, but the spiritual temple must and shall be reared, and the fullness of Christ be poured into his body, and then shall we be caught up to meet him. Oh none will be counted worthy of this calling but his body,which is the church, and which must be a candlestick all of gold. I often said, Oh the glorious inbreaking of Godwhich is now about to burst on this earth; Oh the glorious temple which is now about to be reared, the bride adorned for her husband; and Oh what a holy, holy bride she must be, to be prepared for such a glorious bridegroom. I said, Now shall the people of God have to do with realities - now shall the glorious mystery of God in our nature be known - now shall it be known what it is for man to be glorified. I felt that the revelation of Jesus Christ had yet to be opened up - it is not knowledge about God that it contains, but it is an entering into God - I saw that there was a glorious breaking in of God to be. I feIt as Elijah surrounded with chariots of fire. I saw as it were, the spiritual temple reared, and the Head Stone brought forth with shoutings of grace, grace, unto it. It was a glorious light above the brightness of the sun, that shone round about me. I felt that those who were filled with the spirit could see spiritual things, and feel walking in the midst of them, while those who had not the Spirit could see nothing - so that two shall be in one bed, the one taken and the other left, because the one has the light of God within while the other cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven. (Here is the preliminary script for Tim LaHaye's Left Behind books and movies. However a basic exegesis of the text from Matt. 24 shows that the "taken" are destroyed.)I saw the people of God in an awfully dangerous situation, surrounded by nets and entanglements, about to be tried, and many about to be deceived and fall. Now will THE WICKED be revealed, with all power and signs and lying wonders, so that if it were possible the very elect will be deceived. - This is the fiery trial which is to try us. - It will be for the purging and purifying of the real members of the body of Jesus; but Oh it will be a fiery trial. Every soul will be shaken to the very centre. The enemy will try to shake in every thing we have believed - But the trial of real faith will be found to honour and praise and glory. Nothing but what is of God will stand. The stony-ground hearers will be made manifest - the love of many will wax cold I frequently said that night, and often since, now shall the awful sight of a false Christ be seen on this earth. and nothing but the living Christ in us can detect this awful attempt of the enemy to deceive - or it is with all deceivableness of unrighteousness he will work - he will have a counterpart for every part of God's truth and an imitation for every work of the Spirit. The Spirit must and will be poured out on the church, that she may be purified and filled with God - and just in proportion as the Spirit of God works, so will he when our Lord anoints men with power, so will he. This is particularly the nature of the trial, through which those are to pass who will be counted worthy to stand before the Son of man. There will be outward trial too, but `tis principally temptation. It is brought on by the outpouring of the Spirit, and will just increase in proportion as the Spirit is poured out. The trial of the Church is from Antichrist. It is by being filled with the Spirit that we shall be kept. I frequently said, Oh be filled with the Spirit - have the light of God in you, that you may detect Satan - be full of eyes within - be clay in the hands of the potter - submit to be filled, filled with God This will build the temple. It is not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit saith the Lord. This will fit us to enter into the marriage supper of the lamb. I saw It to be the will of God that all should be filled. But what hindered the real life of God from being received by his people, was their turning from Jesus. who is the way to the Father. They were not entering in by the door. For he is faithful who hath said, by me if any man enter in he shall find pasture. They were passing the cross, through which every drop of the Spirit of God flows to us. All power that comes not through the blood of Christ is not of God. When I say, they are looking from the cross, I feel that there is much in it - they turn from the blood of the Lamb, by which we overcome, and in which our robes are washed and made white. There are low views of God's holiness, and ceasing to condemn sin in the flesh, and a looking from him who humbled himself, and made himself of no reputation. Oh! it is needed, much needed at present, a leading back to the cross, I saw that night, and often since, that there will be an outpouring of the Spirit on the body, such as has not been, a baptism of fire, that all the dross may be put away. Oh there must and will be such an indwelling of the living God as has not been - the servants of God sealed in their foreheads - great conformity to Jesus - his holy holy image seen in his people just the bride made comely, by his comeliness put upon her. This is what we are at present made to pray much for, that speedily we may all be made ready to meet our Lord in the air - and it will be. Jesus wants his bride. His desire is toward us. He that shall come, will come, and will not tarry. Amen and Amen. Even so come Lord Jesus."
Click to expand the total of her vision above and note the comments written in Blue.

Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf

PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) read pages 10-26

http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418


Thanks for posting the source of your doctrine. Nice work.

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It is what it is BAB .... McPherson created a big fat hoax based upon a false vision

This is what you base your "Darby" rant upon

Yes. McPherson must be a very bad person, because he does not agree with your pretrib doctrine.

However, Grant Jeffrey was a fine fellow, who may have made some very small changes in the post-trib writings of the Early Church Fathers to help it fit his pretrib doctrine. He used the writings of Pseudo-Ephraem, who was an imposter, and gave the impression they were the writings of Ephraem the Syrian, who was the real thing.

And you call McPherson a hoaxter. He would be an amateur compared to Jeffrey.



Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf

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Like a thief in the night it will take the world! Enjoy

Do not forget Jesus' flood analogy. Jesus comes like a thief in the night only to those who didn't believe in A.D. 70.

However, Jesus gave the Apostles and the early church specific signs to look for. And that they did and they escaped the destruction of Jerusalem. Because God did not appoint his disciples and the church to the wrath to come upon Jerusalem within a generation's time.

BUT THEY HAD TO FLEE JERUSALEM AND RUN TO THE HILLS!

Remember the Bible isn't written to us, it is written for us. Audience relevence.
 
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How does the speaker get that the pre-trib rapture dream that Mary McDonald is said to have had - as being dispensationalism? That's not dispensationalism. Dispensationalism is a way of viewing how God relates to man differently in periods of time called dispensations.

The speaker never does indicate when anyone started viewing the bible in terms of dispensations.

Pre-trib rapture timing does not equal dispensationalism. They are two different concepts. The video is deceptive.

At the end of the video, he says the rapture is not in the bible? That's an outrageous statement.

Then he goes on in his second video regarding 1thessalonians4, he makes a completely non-biblical statement that them taking part are a greeting committee to Jesus. That's a lie. The bible doesn't say that at all. This guy is awful.

Which makes me wonder, what is involved in getting the Doctrate degrees that they all have attached to their names.



“Dispensationalism is a way of viewing how God relates to man differently in periods of time called dispensations.”


This is not true in practice it may be a dictionary definition. In practice Dispensationalism is the antithesis of the reformation. Dispensationalism throws the 70th week of Daniel 9 down to the end of time; why would any rational person do that? The seventieth week or seven years is Christ’s week where He delivers the New Covenant. The Dispensationalists have Satan delivering a covenant during a seventieth week out of sequence which muddies the water considerably; not only does this damage Christ and the truth but it lets the Catholic Church off the hook while making the Jews who reject Christ, the major beneficiaries enabling them to build a third Temple and to resume killing sheep.


I liked Ivan Panin’s refutation of Dispensationalism. Panin was a Pentecostal Preacher opposed to Dispensationalism when it first started to take off. Panin was concerned about the Gospel and the kingdom and he concluded that Dispensationalism requires a new kingdom, a new Gospel (28 in fact) and a new Bible; and as we know Dispensationalism has a different kingdom, different Gospels and different Bibles; this is a better definition for Dispensationalism.


Where did the Rapture doctrine come from, the answer is found here:

http://www.futurist-futurism.com/

http://www.revelation-today.com/A6Ribera.htm

http://gospel-herald.com/futurism_history.htm
 
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Charles Spurgeon was one of the most well known Baptist preachers of all time.
He also opposed the Dispensationalist doctrine in his day.

According to Spurgeon, John Darby considered only his group of believers to be the "true Church".

Some things never change...



PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS

with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.

F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) read pages 10-26


http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418

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"From the Rapturists prophetess Margarette Macdonald"


Have you read the vision wail?

Why does the false prophetess have the "church" going through the tribulation in the vision?

Have you ever been hoaxed?[/QUOTE]


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Well, Edward Irving and John Darby had to make a few corrections to Margaret's "vision" in order to make it line up with the rest of their "Dispensational Theology". They had to get the Church out of here during the trib., so that God could go back to dealing with the Jews. They must have thought that God can only do one thing at a time.

John Darby's major contribution was to "Rightly Divide" scripture in an effort to get the doctrine to work.

Unfortunately, for him the Holy Spirit had placed "The Great Commission to the Church" at the end of Matthew's Gospel, which Darby had labeled as a book written to the Jews.

Most of the modern evangelical Church in America has been hoaxed by the money-making fiction of author Tim LaHaye, since the "Left Behind" books and movies line the shelves of church libraries.
LaHaye is laughing all the way to the bank.



My wife read most of the books, when others loaned the books to her.

However, she understood it is a work of fiction when she read it.

Sadly, many others have been victims of the hoax.


Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf

Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf

PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) read pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418
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You and your wife read too many books and watch to many U-tube preachers

You show the forum documented evidence supporting your Irving/Darby make over idea

The vision is what it is, a false prophetic dream in the first place that has the "church" going through the tribulation with a post-tribulation resurrection the same as you do

You will not find any evidence that David McPherson tells your story .... he merely used the vision to pass it off as a pre-tribulation "rapture" setting that Darby must have read thinking that no one would check him out

.... and so he created his hoax agsinst the Lord's word on the matter
 
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