Where Did Rapture Theology Come From?

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Not only is the Greek word for "meet" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is apantesis but the Greek word for "air" is aér (#109)

aér: air
Original Word: ἀήρ, ἀέρος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aér
Phonetic Spelling: (ah-ayr')
Short Definition: air
Definition: air, the lower air we breathe.


http://biblehub.com/greek/109.htm

aér is used in the following verses:

Acts 22:23 (This is describing terra firma)
1 Corinthians 9:26 (This is describing terra firma)
1 Corinthians 14:9 (This is describing terra firma)
Ephesians 2:2 (This is describing the unseen spirit realm)


The context being that Christ meets a procession outside the city and is escorted back into the city. The location, firmly planted on "terra firma" thus the usage of aér. Paul doesn't use the Greek words, messouranema (second heaven) or ouranos (third heaven). 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is using allegorical imagery using the customs of the Romans and their Hellenistic formal receptions of kings, dignitaries, magistrates, etc with a procession back to the city to describe the return of the King.
 
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No, this is the view they hold of John L Darby, but it hasn't been proven and it hasn't been disproven is my stance.

apantésis is what it is, it represents a formal procession in Hellenistic and Roman times:

Hellenistic Formal Receptions and Paul's Use of APANTHSIS in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 pdf


Another new form of celebration, again almost unknown in pre-Hellenistic Greece, is the ritualised reception of kings, Roman magistrates, and foreign envoys in cities.30

30 See the thorough study of Perrin-Saminadayar 2004/05 on apantesis; cf. Chankowski 2005. One may add public funerals (e.g. I.Priene 103, 117), but these have a long tradition in Greek culture.


Processions in Hellenistic Cities: Contemporary Discources and Ritual Dynamics, in R. Alston, O.M. van Nijf, and C.G. Williamson (eds.), Cults, Creeds and Contests, Louvain: Peeters 2013, 21-47
Both of those video speakers are deceptive. The rapture and dispensationalism are two different things.

As far as the invention that the first video speaker went on about - that the rapture is not the redemption of the bodies of them living, the corruptible putting on the incorruptible, in the twinkling of the eye - and is instead some welcoming victor parade allegory is non-sense.

The guy has everything upside down and backwards. We are not going up to some place beyond this earth on our own accord to meet Jesus. Most of us can't jump but maybe a foot.

Everything - 100% - is the Lord's doing. That guy needs to stop changing it around. That guy is terribly deceptive.

Jesus is going to redeem our bodies, both the living and dead, calling us up in the twinkling of an eye. The rapture pertains to the living. The resurrection pertains to the dead. The event in 1thessalonians4:15-18 is a resurrection and the rapture. The rapture is about the redemption of the bodies of the living, in the twinkling of an eye, period. Look up, your redemption draws near - that's what it is talking about.
 
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Dispensationalism is a made up theology which has scant Bible support. The word "dispensation" appears only four times in the whole Bible, and strictly in the New Testament.

The Bible is a book of covenant. The word "covenant" appears over 300 times in the Bible and is in both Old and New Testament. Just this alone shows how very important covenant is in the Bible.

Covenant principles stand against Dispensationalist preaching (having been a Dispensationalist for years, I know this personally). You cannot be covenantal and be a Dispensationalist. And since Jesus said "This the New Covenant in my Blood" and not "This is the new dispensation in my Blood." that pretty well settles the issue.
But the rapture is not dispensationalism. They are two completely different things. The rapture is the redemption of the bodies of the living - period. Has nothing to do with being dispensationalism.
 
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Both of those video speakers are deceptive. The rapture and dispensationalism are two different things.

As far as the invention that the first video speaker went on about - that the rapture is not the redemption of the bodies of them living, the corruptible putting on the incorruptible, in the twinkling of the eye - and is instead some welcoming victor parade is non-sense.

The guy has everything upside down and backwards. We are not going up to some place beyond this earth on our own accord to meet Jesus. Most of us would can't jump but maybe a foot.

Everything - 100% - is the Lord's doing. That guy needs to stop changing it around. That guy is terribly deceptive.

Jesus is going to redeem our bodies, both the living and dead, calling us up in the twinkling of an eye. The rapture pertains to the living. The resurrection pertains to the dead. The event in 1thessalonians4:15-18 is a resurrection and the rapture. The rapture is about the redemption of the bodies of the living, in the twinkling of an eye, period. Look up, your redemption draws near - that's what it is talking about.

The Rapture is itself is human invention, the living ain't going to be rapture off the earth... ever.

What Thessalonians is speaking about is when Christ returns in A.D. 70, the dead will be redeemed from Hades and the living will be redeemed from the Law.

What is the power of death? Is it mortality? No, it is sin.

And lends sin its strength? Is it mortality? No, it is the Law.

O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:55-57.

And what ministration is the Law? The ministration of death. 2 Corinthians 3:7.


There is never going to be literal resurrection. Paul even says so in two separate passages 1 Corinthians 15:35-50 and 2 Corinthians 5:1-10. Our bodies are sown in the ground where they will never be raised ever again while our spirits are raised into heaven.

The resurrection has already, it happened in A.D. 70, when the final enemy death was defeated by Christ with the destruction of the Temple and the Old Covenant.

And what is death? Is it mortality? No, it is sin.

And what is the strength of sin? Is it mortality? No it is the ministration of death - the Law.

The Gospel was preached to the Jews for 40 years and the remnant was saved but during this period the Temple still stood and the ministration of death had not been destroyed yet. Because the way into the holiest (HEAVEN) was not made manifest yet while the first tabernacle (the Temple) still stood.

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Hebrews 9:8.

God gave Israel 40 years to come to knowledge of truth before Christ returned in judgment, destroying death (the ministration of death which is the Law and the Temple), and redeemed the dead from Hades and transforming believers through the official inaugeration of the New Covenant.

The Law is death. Not our physical mortality.

Jesus even promised the Apostles He would come back and received them into heaven John 13:33, John 13:36, John 14:2-3, Hebrews 9:28.
 
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Too many Christians incorrectly believe Christ is going to return and rasie our dead bodies immortal.

However, why would Christ raise our dead bodies immortal when we never had immortal bodies ever to begin with?

Why was there a true of life in the Garden if Adam and Eve were immortal?

Death is the Law, not our mortality.
 
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We may attack His Word all we want, but He will have the last say. The few Christians in this world who still listen to God will face more and more persecution. How much before He comes for His Church, the bride? I don't know, but let us be faithful. Already, we are the laughing stock in our society. As I said earlier, even those who I didn't think would entertain perverted worldly beliefs have fallen hook, line and sinker for Satan's lies.
The United States of America is no longer a Christian nation. It is now a perverted cesspool of debauchery. We are a nation of idolatrous heathen much like Sodom and Gomorrah of old. The people of Noah's day have nothing on us when it comes to sin. We are very familiar with it, and we love it. We live like the devil and claim it is from God. We accept the lies of Satan as truth, and call the Truth of God a lie. He will not be mocked. His Word will stand.
We have attacked God's Word. Therefore He has given us up to sinful desires (Romans 1:24-25). We have attacked His veracity. Therefore God has given us up to shameful lusts (Romans 1:26-27). We have rejected God, and He has given us up to depraved minds. (Romans 1:28-32)
 
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v17 God’s Spirit and all God’s people tell Jesus: ‘Come!’ God’s people are like a woman who waits to marry Jesus. Everyone who hears them should also say to Jesus: ‘Come!’ Anyone who needs to drink should come to Jesus. He will give water to anyone who wants it. They will not have to pay anything for it. This water causes people to be alive.

v18 I am John, and I say this strongly. I am speaking to everyone who hears the words in this book. If anyone puts more words with the words in this book, God will *punish them. The troubles that this book describes will happen to them. v19 And if anyone takes away from the words in this book, God will *punish them. He will not let them eat the fruit from his tree. That fruit causes people to be alive. God will not let them live in his city either. This book describes all these things.

v20 The person who tells us all these messages is Jesus. ‘Yes, I will come quickly’, he says. This must happen! Come, *Lord Jesus!

v21 I pray to the *Lord Jesus for all God’s people. I pray that he will continue to be very kind to you.
 
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On and on it goes .... this argument is the laughing stock of the devil himself

He love's it

And he does want people to be confused because his bottom line is .... no immortality for humans .... and he has been on this battle since the garden

The transformation of the Lord's ecclesia is a changing ..... and not of a corrupted earthly body, but of a new one that is impervious to death and destruction

And this changing will come for all of the dead in Christ and those living at the moment of His call .... still pending .... and only one event

The spirits of the dead will be outfitted with an immortal body and the living at the time will be transformed to the same from the corruptible to the immortal .... they will not have time to die because of the abrupt calling

The scriptures are describing a change from mortal man to a higher level of existence, not going up into the void of space, but across a barrier which mortal man cannot breach .... a dimension not seen by mortal humans that exists in parallel with the material world

Heaven is not some far far away place in a corner of the Lord's creation .... it is a state of being where there is no "up" or "down" .... "beginning" or "ending", but present and "now"

The Lord said before Abraham was, I am .... this is the immortal state of being

We do not know what we shall be like, but we can know that we will be like Him

And we know that He is eternal and can appear and disappear in His material universe at will

So all of this argument about a "rapture" and when this event of change takes place, or not at all, is a game of fools .... feeding Satan's delight

it is going to happen and this should be the Christian's greatest hope and reward

.... instead it has become one of the most heated controversies on the block

And actually the biggest cosmic contest between the Lord and the devil which has been covered over with the petty bickering of men

He has given explained the purpose, described the change .... and revealed His timing for the event .... don't miss it

And no amount of human debating is going to change it

He has given His warning

Get "right" .... or get "left" .... left out of the opportunity .... there is no middle ground
 
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Matthew 24 is describing the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. That was the final end of the Old Covenant and the promised retribution upon the Jews of which Jesus spoke in Matthew 23.

You are half right.

The following is a worksheet used in a Bible study of Matthew chapter 24.



Matthew Chapter 24:

In Matthew chapter 24, Christ gives an explanation to four of His disciples.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

1st Question: ________________________________________________

Christ has just told them the temple would be destroyed in the previous verse.



2nd Question: _______________________________________________

The Greek word “parousia” is used throughout the New Testament to describe His Second Coming.

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Do New Testament and historical writings show that Jesus answered the first question within the first half of Matthew, chapter 24?

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Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Act 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
(Simon Magus was a deceiver. Confirmed by Jerome.)

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Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for allthese thingsmust come to pass, but the end is not yet.

During 66 AD the Roman 12th Legion under the command of Cestius Gallus surrounded the city of Jerusalem. For some unknown reason, he ordered his army to stop the seige. During the retreat the Romans were attacked by the Jews, who killed thousands of the Roman soldiers. (Josephus, War 2.19.7, 540) (Tacitus, The Histories V)

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Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

There was a devastating earthquake around 60-62 AD that destroyed much of Colossae, Laodicea, and Hierapolis. This was recorded by Tacitus in his writings as being during the 7th year of Nero.

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Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

The New Testament records the persecution of the early Christians, mainly by the Jews.

This is described specifically in Mark’s Gospel.

Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

The Apostle Paul confirms that he fulfilled this persecution.

Act 22:19 And I said, Lord, they know that I imprisoned and beat in every synagogue them that believed on thee:

Act 22:20 And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him.

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Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Col_4:14 Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.

2Ti_4:10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.

1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

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Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Was the Gospel preached into every nation in the modern world? No.

However, according to Paul it was preached into every nation of his known world.

Col 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;

Col 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;



Luk 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

Does this include Alaska and South America ???

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Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

We know sometime before the final siege of 70 AD the early Christians left the city of Jerusalem. Did they heed the warning in Matthew 24?

A parallel study of the three Gospel accounts reveals the Abomination of Desolation.

During the time of Christ, the Jews celebrated Hanukka. He was well aware of the first occurrence of the Abomination of Desolation in the temple, when Antiochus Epiphanes set up a statue of Zeus (He had previously claimed he was Zeus) in the temple and had a pig slaughtered on the altar, during 167 BC.

Hanukkah celebrates the cleansing and rededication of the temple which occurred three years after the abomination of desolation by Antiochus in 167 BC.

Therefore, Christ was predicting a second occurrence of the Abomination of Desolation in the Olivet Discourse.

Several events could be a possible desecration of the temple during 70 AD. The Roman standards were posted at the temple site. Sacrifices were made to Titus at the temple site. Also, the behavior of the zealots within the temple itself during the siege is regarded by many as a desecration of the temple.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh(near).
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luke’s account above clearly states that the desolation would be near the time that Jerusalem was surrounded by armies.

We know the early Christians did flee from Jerusalem before the final siege.

While He was being taken to the Cross, Jesus warned the women who were weeping for him about what was to come. During this warning He makes a reference similar to that found in Matthew 24:19, about nursing mothers. This warning is also specifically made to these women and their children.

During the siege of 70 AD some women ate their own children, due to the lack of food during the siege.

Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

Almost all scholars agree that the following verse is a specific reference to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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What do we find in the last half of Matthew chapter 24?

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Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.



Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.



Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near,even at the doors.

Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.



Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.



Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Based on the language and the context in verses 24:38-39, what happens to those taken in verses 24:40-41?

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Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

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Did Christ give the disciples signs to look for, in His answer to the first question? _____

Explain your answer. ____________________________________________________



Did Christ give the disciples signs to look for in His answer to the second question? ____

Explain your answer. ____________________________________________________


The disciples asked Jesus two questions and He answered two questions in Matthew 24.

Much confusion is produced by ignoring either of the two.


 
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Matthew 24 is referring part of the time to the generation that will see the signs and know that
their redemption is nigh.

It is also referring after that part to the time when no man knows as to the day and hour when
the heaven and the earth shall pass away.

No, read the first three verses:

24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. (This is the destruction of the Temple in AD 70)

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

What things? Well, what did Jesus just talk about? The destruction of the Temple! Yet pre-millenialists somehow think that when you ask a human being a question, rather than answering the question, he goes off and prattles about something totally unrelated to the question he was just asked.

Matthew 24 is the answer that Jesus gave to the Apostles regarding what He had just said in verse 2.
 
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Nothing you posted proves the Dispensational Pre-Tribulational rapture of the church.

It's also a standard copy-and-paste job of St. Irenaeus, one that many people have addressed in the past. If one were to read Irenaeus in further context one will find that the bishop, not much earlier in the same passage, speaks of the Church enduring trial and tribulation--that is, Irenaues does not teach doctrine of Christians being "raptured" out of the world in order to escape a coming tribulation.

In addition to this passage from Irenaeus another common copy-and-paste job is to quote an English translation of a bizarre Latin version of the Apocalypse of Pseudo-Ephraim--usually without recognition that this not only isn't the actual Syriac Pseudo-Ephraim, but that this isn't actually Ephraim (that is, it is often presented as though it were an authentic work of St. Ephraim the Syrian).

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Matthew 24 is describing the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
That was the final end of the Old Covenant and the promised retribution upon the Jews of which Jesus spoke in Matthew 23.
I tend to agree.
Isn't much of Revelation also showing that event?

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/olivet-discourse-and-revelation-same-event.7276015/
Olivet Discourse and Revelation Same Event?

Matt 24:2
Then Jesus said to them, "Not ye see all these?
Amen I am saying to ye, not no be being left here stone upon stone, which not shall be being thrown down" [Mark 21:5]

Reve 14:8
And another Messenger, second-one, follows saying "She falls, She falls, Babylon the Great, the out of the wine of the fury of the fornication of her she has given to drink all the nations".

I could practically harmonize the Olivet Discourse and Revelation to the event of the destruction of Jerusalem as witnessed by Josephus:

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

..............The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.............
.......The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins............

In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely levelled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings.
Thus was this great City, which only five months before, had been crowded with nearly two millions of people, who gloried in its impregnable strength, entirely depopulated, and levelled with the ground. And thus, also was our LORD'S prediction, that her enemies should "lay her even with the ground," and "should not leave in her one stone upon another, " (Luke xix. 44.) most strikingly and fully accomplished !..................


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Isn't much of Revelation also showing that event?

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/olivet-discourse-and-revelation-same-event.7276015/
Olivet Discourse and Revelation Same Event?

Matt 24:2
Then Jesus said to them, "Not ye see all these?
Amen I am saying to ye, not no be being left here stone upon stone, which not shall be being thrown down" [Mark 21:5]

Reve 14:8
And another Messenger, second-one, follows saying "She falls, She falls, Babylon the Great, the out of the wine of the fury of the fornication of her she has given to drink all the nations".

I could practically harmonize the Olivet Discourse and Revelation to the event of the destruction of Jerusalem as witnessed by Josephus:


I am saying to ye ye ye ye

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"Not ye see all these?

See Ye Not All These Things?

Know Then And Understand.


You say yes, I say no


You say stop and I say go go go, oh no
You say goodbye and I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello

I say high, you say low
You say why and I say I don't know, oh no
You say goodbye and I say hello
(Hello goodbye hello goodbye) Hello hello
(Hello goodbye) I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
(Hello goodbye hello goodbye) Hello hello
(Hello goodbye) I don't know why you say goodbye
(Hello goodbye) I say hello/goodbye

Why why why why why why why why do you say goodbye goodbye, oh no?

You say goodbye and I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello

You say yes (I say yes) I say no (But I may mean no)
You say stop (I can stay) and I say go go go (Till it's time to go), oh
Oh no
You say goodbye and I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello
Hello hello
I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello hello

Hela heba helloa
Hela heba helloa, cha cha cha
Hela heba helloa, wooo
Hela heba helloa, hela
Hela heba helloa, cha cha cha
Hela heba helloa, wooo
Hela heba helloa, cha cah cah [fade out]
 
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2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie This has the Rapture written all over It . Enjoy
 
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I believe the Church has to be taken out as the above verse is stating before the Antichrist can be revealed to the rest of the world. And the above verse states that the Antichrist will not be revealed until “He” who is restraining him is taken out of the way!
Once the Body of real believers are raptured off the face of the earth, there will nothing left that will be able to stop the Antichrist from rising to full power. The rest of the world is going to be easily duped into believing in this man – especially with all of the false signs and wonders that will be performed on his behalf by the False Prophet.
I believe the above verse alone is very strong Scriptural evidence that there will be a Rapture of God’s saints before the Antichrist actually rises to full power.

2. This next verse talks about those who are “alive” will be “caught up” to meet the Lord in the “air.” Here is the verse:

“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

This verse really seems to be implying that there will be a group of saints who are going to “caught up” or pulled up to meet the Lord in the air while we are still alive! These words spell possible Rapture to me.

3. The next verse tells us of a “mystery” – that not all of God’s saints are going to “sleep” – and that this group is going to be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, and that this event will occur at the last trumpet.

I believe the Last Trumpet is God’s last call to His people, and that it implies that whoever is saved and born again when this trumpet sounds off will be raptured and spared from having to go through the horrors of the 7 year Tribulation.

I believe the word “mystery” is being used to let us know that God is keeping the possibility of a Rapture a secret and a mystery to the rest of the world. This is why many of the Scripture verses pertaining to this event do not perfectly spell it out. However, there is enough of a hint in these verses for God’s own people to pick it up, but not the rest of the unbelieving world
 
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When Jesus said that He would come as a thief in the night, he gave a very good image of what the job would entail.

Luke 12:39-40 But know this, that if the master of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have left his house to be broken into. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man comes at an hour when ye think not.

1- Jesus is the thief.

2- The thief comes to rob.

3- The owner/custodian must be asleep for the thief to rob the building.

4- It would be an excellent job if the owner/custodian did not wake-up at all during the robbing process.

5- The items being robbed are people (Christians.) Yes, it is a JAILBREAK.

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Jesus is the thief


The THIEF must therefore:

a.- Keep the plan secret, so the owner/custodian of the building would not be forewarned.

b.- Use a novel method of robbing a building, not the usual break-through entries (doors or windows.)

c.- Give the prisoners (Christians) a few hints of when the jailbreak is going to be -- without telling the plan.

d.- Do a quick job of getting in and out.


God is coming to take you away, to kidnap you, to snatch you away. Jesus is the thief that comes in the night when the master of the house (Satan) does not expect it. God CANNOT tell you when He is coming for the rapture, because He cannot let the Devil know about His plan -- the element of surprise would be lost.
 
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