Hypocracy on gay marriage

Hetta said:

So why not pronounce God's judgment on the remarried? Too big a demographic?

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Bingo. Vilifying 5-10% of the population is moral crusading. Vilifying, like, 50%, is political suicide.

Armoured said:

Bingo. Vilifying 5-10% of the population is moral crusading. Vilifying, like, 50%, is political suicide.

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Righto, mate. This is where hyperpartisans who are motivated by Earthly political concerns rather than those of Christ show their hand. They don't object to abortifacients being issued to our servicemen and women as we have with our tax dollars for several decades, because that could be seen as not supporting the troops. They'll be silent on those abortions that we all cooperate in. They don't care to make their opposition to the adultery that is remarriage without death or anullment nearly as vocal as their opposition to same sex marriage, because a lot of people are in that boat and they need their vote. Very few will consistently advocate against sin in anything approaching reasonable proportion. As we have been told, the gate is narrow.

mark46 said:

How are any sinners able to judge others?

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following that thoughtpattern we should all applaude others as they choose to embrace sin and reject God because we're sinners too.
This is absolutely rubbish!

Hetta said:

So why not pronounce God's judgment on the remarried? Too big a demographic?

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I don't think it is, people who remarries outside of the church without going thru the tribunal court of the church are living in sin.
This is not my judgement on them, but the church's position.
Adultery is adultery regardless of how common it is.

Hetta said:

Thank goodness that some of you guys are starting to realize this hypocrisy. (Just fyi, that's the correct spelling). If divorce is sinful then the remarried are living in adultery. That is an ongoing sin, surely?

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As I said above, yes it is an ongoing sin and those who live in adultery should not take communion.

Speak of truth as an sinner and you're a hipocrite, ok...

LoAmmi said:

It has always been amazingly easy to point to sins you would never commit and talk about how evil, sick, and disgusting it is for people to do those sins while looking at the sins you commit and downplaying them or justifying them.

"Sure, I lie to my boss directly when I have to save my job, but Bob steals from the company. I'm just trying to keep my job."

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Not my experience at all.
I struggle with lust and inappropriate contentography, but I sure don't sugarcoat it because I fight against it.
My sin is against God and without his endless patience with me I would burn over it as much as God will punish those who embrace homosexuality and adultery etc.

Repent and God's mercy are endless.

MikeK said:

As a person who struggles with habitual sin, you have been given a great opportunity to serve the Lord! Like the thorn in Paul's side, you can let this struggle draw you to greater Holiness in service of Gid and neighbor.
People who struggle with gambling addictions, chronic masturbation or inappropriate contentography use, drug addictions, self-harm, etc have, rather than his their sins, founded groups to help others. Through sharing our struggles we can do much good. I think it is wrong to spend more words focussing on other people's sins than we spend humbly lamenting our own struggles in an effort to help those similarly afflicted.

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When people sugarcoat any sinful habits on OBOB I feel like I have to stand up against the snares of Satan.
There is a HUGE difference between committing a mortal sin and repent vs embracing the sin.

When people encourage the latter I cannot shut up because that's in fact to guide people away from Christ.

Armoured said:

Bingo. Vilifying 5-10% of the population is moral crusading. Vilifying, like, 50%, is political suicide.

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Luckily for me I'm not a politician so I couldn't care less about numbers.
If so happens that 98 per cent of the population on earth embrace adultery or any other grave sin it's still against the law of God and wrong.

So yes adultery is filth and it always will be.

aChildOfMary said:

So yes adultery is filth and it always will be.

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What are you doing to make it illegal?

Armoured said:

What are you doing to make it illegal?

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Absolutely nothing probably.

Jesus' command of "He who is without sin can cast the first stone" apparently falls on deaf ears for the majority of Christians.

Red Fox said:

Absolutely nothing probably.

Jesus' command of "He who is without sin can cast the first stone" apparently falls on deaf ears for the majority of Christians.

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Are you doing this on purpose?
I think I explained the difference between judging other people and judging actions as something mortally sinful?!

Some actions are sinful because God has said so. Those are in my book unnegotiables.
Repenting is the keyword here.

I guess God's wrath on soddoma and Gommorah was totally unrelated to their lifestyle then...

You liberals may pick the verses you like, but be aware you'll miss the context by doing so...

Furthermore I think you make people all to helpless and undermine the power of the Holy Ghost to help people change their lifestyle as you try to adjust God's law so they can continue their lifestyle.

If one gives the Holy Ghost the place he deserves in ones life I'm sure he will do miracles with us.

Maybe even I one day will be freed of my sinful lust.

do we put people who have killed in self-defense in the same bracket with other murderers? not every divorce is the same and even the Pope himself said it may be justified at times. though there is truth to people wanting to expose the skeletons of others whilst keeping theirs safely tucked away.

Sumwear said:

do we put people who have killed in self-defense in the same bracket with other murderers? not every divorce is the same and even the Pope himself said it may be justified at times. though there is truth to people wanting to expose the skeletons of others whilst keeping theirs safely tucked away.

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Divorce is not the issue, so-called "remarriage" without anullment or death is.

aChildOfMary said:

Are you doing this on purpose?
I think I explained the difference between judging other people and judging actions as something mortally sinful?!

Some actions are sinful because God has said so. Those are in my book unnegotiables.
Repenting is the keyword here.

I guess God's wrath on soddoma and Gommorah was totally unrelated to their lifestyle then...

You liberals may pick the verses you like, but be aware you'll miss the context by doing so...

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I'm not a liberal, and I'm not "picking verses". I await a response to my question, "what are you doing to make remarriage after divorce illegal"?

Armoured said:

I'm not a liberal, and I'm not "picking verses". I await a response to my question, "what are you doing to make remarriage after divorce illegal"?

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I'm not a liberal myself and I'm not the one picking and choosing verses either. The commandment of not casting stones is rather simple to understand. Don't judge other people for the log in their eye when you have a huge plank in your own. And if these Christians who are all up in arms against homosexuals really wanted to follow the rules and commandments of the bible than they wouldn't suffer a witch to live and they would start stoning women who were caught in the act of adultery (never mind the married man she was with, it seems he gets a free pass), so talk about picking and choosing bible verses to follow. I can't help but wonder why there's not such an outrage against premarital promiscuity, adultery, divorce, remarriage or even legalized inappropriate contentography. I also can't help but wonder how many of these Christians who are so adamant of condemning homosexuals for their sexual behavior are just as guilty of lust in their own heart, particularly those who are married. Jesus did make it clear that whoever looks at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery already with her in his heart. I presume that the majority of them, if not all of them, would be guilty as charged.

MikeK said:

Divorce is not the issue, so-called "remarriage" without anullment or death is.

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Do you believe this applies to everybody or just Christians? If everybody, does your faith offer annulments for people of other faiths?

LoAmmi said:

Do you believe this applies to everybody or just Christians? If everybody, does your faith offer annulments for people of other faiths?

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Think you might be missing Mike's point, i.e. if you don't try to make remarriage after divorce illegal (because the Bible says), why should you want same sex marriage to be illegal?

Armoured said:

Think you might be missing Mike's point, i.e. if you don't try to make remarriage after divorce illegal (because the Bible says), why should you want same sex marriage to be illegal?

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I'm asking Mike a question based upon what he said. I'm curious to understand the view.

The worse thing about hypocrisy is trying to spell it.

LoAmmi said:

Do you believe this applies to everybody or just Christians? If everybody, does your faith offer annulments for people of other faiths?

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Certainly Christians. I'm not sure on others, which marriages are recognized by the State really isn't important to me. Fairness, proportion, and logical consistency are.

SolomonVII said:

The worse thing about hypocrisy is trying to spell it.

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You'd be amazed at how many adults I've met over the years who have trouble with spelling.

But what's even more astonishing are the number of adults who lack manners in not rudely pointing out another person's shortcomings while obviously ignoring their own.

MikeK said:

Certainly Christians. I'm not sure on others, which marriages are recognized by the State really isn't important to me. Fairness, proportion, and logical consistency are.

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Thanks.

Red Fox said:

You'd be amazed at how many adults I've met over the years who have trouble with spelling.

But what's even more astonishing are the number of adults who lack manners in not rudely pointing out another person's shortcomings while obviously ignoring their own.

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Seriously, as many times as I need to print that word, I have to cut and paste the right spelling from the internet.
It is a real problem for me. 'Hypocrite' rolls off the keyboard nicely, but I will get the word 'hypocrisy' wrong ever time, without a cut and paste.

<<It seems like as a gross generalization, conservatives tend to seek out stuff that they agree with and avoid stuff they don't, whereas liberals tend to seek out stuff they disagree with or feel provides an objective point of view. That makes it very hard for liberal media to succeed.>>

Actually, liberals parrot whatever talking point is currently on the agenda without regard to their propaganda's total disconnect with reality.

<< I run against type because I am a progressive who wants to hear progressive voices. >>

Sorry to hear that. Is there a 12-step you could join?

<< Legally speaking, the public owns the airwaves, and the government, as our elected representatives, manage them on our behalf.>>

Legally speaking, the citizens of the USSR owned all the assets of the country.

Our elected officials have turned their responsibilities over to various government agencies in which unelected, civil servants fabricate laws which are binding on we the suckers.