Truth comes from many sources
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This is true but truth is truth. Satan knows the scriptures. Satan knows the truth. But he is the father on this earth of lies. He may distort truth with lies but truth is truth. Truth was not created but has always existed.
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So how do you know that your understanding of truth is the most accurate understanding. And even though I do not care for your tactics here against what I believe. I believe that you teach truth about many things that you believe. But answer me this how do you know that what you believe is more correct than what I have? How do you know that the bible is the truth you believe it is? How do you know that the other gospel you speak of is not what you teach? How do you know there was not an apostasy or a falling away from the pure teachings of Christ? If you the other gospel would you be able to reconize that you were teaching and beliving the other gospel?
I have read the bible many times and know more each time that there was a falling away from many truths that you do not teach that are in the bible. So with all your knowledge you have acquired in this life reveal how you know it is the correct truth or just a false truth you teach.
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You are so focused on Mormonism being wrong that you believe everything they are saying is truth. How do you know that they are teaching the truth? Is it because they teach against Mormonism? These issues as they bring them up have been answered time and time again. It is not a Good summary of what we teach. Don't you get it? Christianity does not have all the truth. No one religion does. Yet you sit in judgement of others not being able to tell anyone how you know what you believe is anymore correct than any other belief except that it is in the bible. how do you explain to someone that the bible is the word of God so that they can believe it? There are many here who have read it and it did nothing for them and they were as sincere as you when you told me you were when you read the Book of Mormon. You do not have the authority to judge my beliefs or anyone else's. You can judge that it is not for you but you do not have the authority from God to criticize anyone's belief as if you are the pinnacle of truth. So answer the question. How do you know that you are any more correct in what you believe and in how you interpret scriptures than I am or anyone else.
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That is true. Christ has always existed. Satan at one time stood in the presence of the Truth. Of course, he knows it but now is the personification of deception and lies, just as Christ is the personification of Truth. There is no light or truth in Satan, he can only distort and mislead.
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faroukfarouk
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John 14.6 is a great reference point. Philippians 4.8 also: 'Whatever things are true...'
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Dashing this off quickly because I'm trying to pet-sit this weekend -
Mormonism teaches that God used to be a man on another world God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine by Bruce McConkie, p. 321)
Those Mormons who know about the book's history refuse to accept any citation from the work that doesn't list the edition being cited. This is because the earliest editions contained much of McConkie's own personal theology rather than official church theology.
But, this cannot be because in order to get to the present, you would have to transverse an infinite number of exaltations.
This relies on the presumption that we're dealing with an infinite number in the first place.
Otherwise, he's arguing from silence, which is a major logical fallacy.
And as his argument relies on a fallacy, it falls apart on its face.
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Where truth comes from?
Could be from our experiences
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One way the Rebbe put it was,
"Blind faith cannot grasp truth.
Interllect cannot grasp truth,
because truth is larger than interllect.
Only the eye of the soul,
it,s inner wisdom,
can grasp truth and know it as she knows her own self.
for she is truth."
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Masihi
love based faith is truer than fear based faith
There have been too many false prophets who have come along claiming to have new scriptures or claiming to be the messiah.... here are a few. We cannot be expected to believe in these people especially when Jesus told us what to expect next and what to look for.
Mirza Husayn 'Ali, (1817–1864), born Shiite, adopting babism later in life, he claimed to be the promised one of all religions, and founded the bahai faith.
Jacobina Maurer (1841 or 1842-1874) was a German-Brazilian woman who lived and died in the state of Rio Grande do Sul who emerged as a messianic prophetess, a representation of God, and later declared the very reincarnation of Jesus Christ on earth by her German-speaking community called Die Muckers (or the false saints) by her enemies, Die Spotters (or the mockers). After a number of deadly confrontations with outsiders, Jacobina was shot to death together with many of her followers by the Brazilian Imperial Army.
Williams Davies (1833–1906) LDS morman schismatic leader; claimed that his infant son Arthur (born 1868) was the reincarnated Jesus Christ.
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At age fourteen Joseph Smith claimed that God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ appeared to him in a grove of trees when he went to pray to the Father about which church he should join. A simple question and was given a simple answer. He was to join none of them. He was told that with his help that there was to be a " marvelous work and a wonder". For three years he waited to know what work he was to be a part of. Finally one night he was praying asking God about what work he was to do for he thought he had fallen from favor with the lord. As he was praying his room begin to fill with light and an angel who called himself Moroni appeared to him and told him of a record of his people who had lived on this continent that had been buried by him in a hill not far from his home. For four years he went to the place described by the angel until he was able to obtain the record. Through the gift and power of God he translated it. It is called the Book of Mormon. Also through Joseph Smith a restoration of the ancient church of Christ with prophets and apostles brought back.
If there was a "falling away" from truths such as the organization and lost priesthood authority with distortions of the Godhead then how would you suggest God was to restore there truths?
I keep hearing that to justify that there should be no latter day prophets that Christ taught that we were to "beware of false prophets". Christ does not even suggest that there would not be prophets but that we are suppose to beware of the false ones. Since I believe there have been false prophets sine the time of Christ I also believe there have been true ones Including the prophet Joseph Smith. Christ taught "by their fruits ye shall know them" what would you consider would be the Fruits of a true prophet? If there were true prophets how would you feel God would let us know they are true other than their fruits?
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Masihi
love based faith is truer than fear based faith
Christ confirms his return and describes it by saying "as the lightning from the east is visible in the west".
He describes the coming of "many false christs and false prophets" in Mathew 24.24 AND he never makes mention of the coming of true prophets. Should he had known true prophets would appear after him but before his own second coming, this would have been a good place to mention it. Really anywhere in any gospel would have been a good place to mention it, but he does not mention, ever, the expected arrival of another true prophet.
John the Baptist says about Jesus, "i testify that this is the Son of Gd". All the prophets were sent essentially to guide Israel but more so to prepare the people for the arrival of this Son of Gd. Since Jesus arrived, prophets are no longer sent by Gd.
On another note, I am at odds wiith some LDS doctrine. I follow Biblical doctrine and perhaps this is the reason for the confusion. I call to your attention a rarely used and well hidden LDS doctrine that permits revenge killing, blood atonement. It was applied by Mormon preacher LeBaron in 1970s. It turns out more Mormons took the example set by their leaders and several murders insued amongst the Mormons. It halted in late 1970's by some miracle.
A precedent of revenge killing could very well have taken root amongst Mormons and since its religiously permitted, it would have become impossible to remove once established as dogma.
The license for Mormons to kill Mormons had almost become dogma... that's scary. Comparaable circumstances are seen amongst muslims, scripturally applying the killing of apostates, honor killings, killing between their sects. Religious licenses to kill is a scary thing and certainly not seen in Jesus' teachings. I think I will stay with Jesus and the Bible.
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The Tree of Knowledge is located in Eden however it's not God's will for humans to be obsessed over it. Planet earth is designed for humans to be saved. All the knowledge you need to acquired to be saved are already clearly said in the Bible. The desire of more knowledge may well lead to your death, as it is said that "the day you eat of it, the same day you shall surely die".
God will deal with your this desire though, He will continue to develop Christian apologetics to handle people with such a knowledge desire while keep challenging Christianity.
Daniel 12:4 (NIV)
But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.
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This isn't doctrine.
Brigham Young noted in a sermon that if people understood the eternal consequences of such sins as adultery or murder, they'd allow themselves to be impaled with a javelin as part of the atonement process rather than die of old age in their sins. It was mostly a rhetorical flourish, but critics of the church took him seriously.
LeBaron was part of an offshoot group that broke away from the main body some time before all of this happened. He had nothing to do with the main church.
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In Matthew 7:16 we have him telling us how to distinguish false prophets from true ones. Why make that distinction if there were not going to be any true ones? If he talked more about false prophets it is likely because in Jesus day they were more false one and than true ones and the false ones are going to lead to the destruction of the Temple and the Diaspora. Acts 21:8 states that Philip the Evangelist had four daughters who were prophetesses. Likewise Paul speaks of prophets in the church 1 Corinthians 2:29. Likewise 1 John speaks of 'trying the spirits" in order to distinguish true prophets from false ones. If there are not going to be any true prophets there is no need to do this. There is also the reference to the Two Witnesses in the Book of Revelation.
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So Christians are better off remaining ignorant, having just enough literacy to read the Bible and no more?
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