The Offical Illuminati,Bilderbergs,Free Masons And Other Conspriacy Groups Thread

James Is Back · Jul 2, 2015

So let's talk about these and other conspiracy groups. Do you think these groups are part of a global domination scheme by taking over the world,thinning the herd by biological or other ways,etc?

Edial · Jul 2, 2015

James Is Back said:
So let's talk about these and other conspiracy groups. Do you think these groups are part of a global domination scheme by taking over the world,thinning the herd by biological or other ways,etc?

There was always race for global dominion.
The sad part it never revolved around someone actually inventing something.
It was always like ... let's find some hidden tech we can use against others.
Freemasons and Zionist Christians and Jews against Muslims and Eastern Orthodox is the usual formula ...

Rick Otto · Jul 2, 2015

James Is Back said:
So let's talk about these and other conspiracy groups. Do you think these groups are part of a global domination scheme by taking over the world,thinning the herd by biological or other ways,etc?

I think global domination is a scheme that anyone who is into domination, plays into.
Clearly men seek to control trade and finance.

americanvet · Jul 3, 2015

As a Freemason no I do not.

Albion · Jul 4, 2015

No. And one of them (the "Illuminati") doesn't even exist, so it's hard to imagine how it is involved with "thinning the herd by biological or other ways"-- whatever that's supposed to mean.

Edial · Jul 4, 2015

Albion said:
No. And one of them (the "Illuminati") doesn't even exist, so it's hard to imagine how it is involved with "thinning the herd by biological or other ways"-- whatever that's supposed to mean.

How do you know it doesn't exist?
And if you don't, would you know who invented this myth?

Armoured · Jul 4, 2015

Edial said:
How do you know it doesn't exist?
And if you don't, would you know who invented this myth?

Am I allowed to contribute?

Edial · Jul 4, 2015

americanvet said:
As a Freemason no I do not.

What degree Freemason are you?
Most of Freemasons that I am aware of join the lodge for business contacts and possible philanthropy.
The top echelon are the ones who know how the ball bounces.

Edial · Jul 4, 2015

Armoured said:
Am I allowed to contribute?

Armoured · Jul 4, 2015

Edial said:

The myth started because humans prefer the idea of a consciousness being behind bad things, rather than random chance. Cultural bias and confirmation bias do the rest.

To a certain psyche, "An Earthquake just wiped out half of coastal Asia? The Bilderberg/Mason/Illuminati/HAARP/Reptoids were behind it" is actually more comforting than "An Earthquake just wiped out half of coastal Asia? The random tectonic fluctuations in the Earth's crust just happened to release an amount of stress at a certain point at a certain time"

Pareidolia is the phenomenon of seeing pattern and meaning where there is none. Humans are hard wired to seek out patterns and conscious agency, in evolutionary terms, it probably contributed to our social behaviour and development of consciousness. Problem is we come up with false negatives really easily.

Quick experiment... look at any two marks near another mark.

A face, right? Could be wood grain, could be chewing gum on the floor. There's no actual meaning, but we still derive meaning from it. Consider any given smiley. They don't actually look anything like a face, yet we can see them as a face, and even read emotion in them.

Edial · Jul 4, 2015

Armoured said:
The myth started because humans prefer the idea of a consciousness being behind bad things, rather than random chance. Cultural bias and confirmation bias do the rest.

To a certain psyche, "An Earthquake just wiped out half of coastal Asia? The Bilderberg/Mason/Illuminati/HAARP/Reptoids were behind it" is actually more comforting than "An Earthquake just wiped out half of coastal Asia? The random tectonic fluctuations in the Earth's crust just happened to release an amount of stress at a certain point at a certain time"

Pareidolia is the phenomenon of seeing pattern and meaning where there is none. Humans are hard wired to seek out patterns and conscious agency, in evolutionary terms, it probably contributed to our social behaviour and development of consciousness. Problem is we come up with false negatives really easily.

Quick experiment... look at any two marks near another mark.

A face, right? Could be wood grain, could be chewing gum on the floor. There's no actual meaning, but we still derive meaning from it. Consider any given smiley. They don't actually look anything like a face, yet we can see them as a face, and even read emotion in them.

Thank you for a great post.

Excellent point and I totally agree.
However, is it fair to say that because of this natural flaw we humans have no tendency to bend the stick the other way?

It is also logical and reasonable to assume that we are hard wired (some more some less) for a lust for power, money and competition.

So conspiracies are not only possible, but probable.

Personally, I go by evidence and not hunches, feelings or not necessarily by what others say.

Thanks,

Ed

Albion · Jul 4, 2015

Edial said:
How do you know it doesn't exist?
And if you don't, would you know who invented this myth?

It ONCE did exist, which is why the name is familiar and people claim that it still does exist--just as if they were insisting that the "Black Hand" that launched World War I or the Boxers of Chinese fame were still around somewhere, underground, secretly plotting something nefarious.

Perhaps you remember the several posters here in the recent past who insisted that the Illuminati really, really does exist--one, because a club that has taken on that name meets in a Seattle coffeehouse and the other, because someone put up a website asking for money and calling itself the membership office for "the Illuminati" or something like that. Seriously.

I'm especially fond of "secret societies" that have websites and solicit memberships online.

Armoured · Jul 4, 2015

Edial said:
Thank you for a great post.
Excellent point and I totally agree.
However, is it fair to say that because of this natural flaw we humans have no tendency to bend the stick the other way?

It is also logical and reasonable to assume that we are hard wired (some more some less) for a lust for power, money and competition.

So conspiracies are not only possible, but probable.

Personally, I go by evidence and not hunches, feelings or not necessarily by what others say.

Thanks,
Ed

Sure, conspiracies are possible, indeed, known to have occurred... but therein lies the crux of the issue... we know about past conspiracies. Why? Because humans are really bad at them. We don't keep secrets. You've heard the expression "two can keep a secret if one is dead"? Seriously, the fastest way to spread a rumour is prefix it with "don't tell anyone I told you..."

So yes, conspiracies are possible, and people do lust for wealth and power and will conspire to get it. However... the idea that a massive, global spanning, century long conspiracy could exit without breach and exposure is, frankly, absurd. Even the NSA has it's Assange, it's Snowden, and it's supposed to be the most secretive organisation on the planet!

The other side of the coin, of course, is the begged question, "if there really is this all encompassing evil conspiracy, that will kill to stay hidden... how come every other loner with a blog seems to know about it?"

Edial · Jul 4, 2015

Albion said:
It ONCE did exist, which is why the name is familiar and people claim that it still does exist--just as if they were insisting that the "Black Hand" that launched World War I or the Boxers of Chinese fame were still around somewhere, underground, secretly plotting something nefarious.

Perhaps you remember the several posters here in the recent past who insisted that the Illuminati really, really does exist--one, because a club that has taken on that name meets in a Seattle coffeehouse and the other, because someone put up a website asking for money and calling itself the membership office for "the Illuminati" or something like that. Seriously.

I'm especially fond of "secret societies" that have websites and solicit memberships online.

There is also a concept of misinformation and disinformation.
Most of UFO sightings and abductions are a hoax. Can we say there are no UFO based on that?

Secret societies is a money maker - agreed.

Yet there is Mafia and people were saying Mafia does not exist.

Albion · Jul 4, 2015

Edial said:
Yet there is Mafia and people were saying Mafia does not exist.

Who says that?

The top echelon are the ones who know how the ball bounces.

You'd have to be high up in the organization to know this to be so. What degree or echelon are you?

Personally, I go by evidence and not hunches, feelings or not necessarily by what others say.

Fair enough, Ed. Then show us the evidence for the Illuminati's existence and conspiratorial activities.

Armoured · Jul 4, 2015

Edial said:
There is also a concept of misinformation and disinformation.
Most of UFO sightings and abductions are a hoax. Can we say there are no UFO based on that?

Secret societies is a money maker - agreed.

Yet there is Mafia and people were saying Mafia does not exist.

I would suggest there is, and always has been, a lot more evidence for the existence of the Mafia (including whistleblowers) than there is evidence of the illuminati/Mason/Vril/Reptilian/whatever cabal.

UFOs are a different kettle of fish. No, the fact that 99% of UFO can be explained with sufficient investigation doesn't mean that the other 1% aren't truly alien.

But... the aliens wouldn't have whistle blowing insiders, either.

You know what I think the biggest blow against the credibility of UFO theory is? That since practically every Westerner and many others have been carrying a high def camera on them at all times, for like... what, 10 years now? No unambiguous UFO photos have surfaced.

With all that photographic firepower out there, you'd think someone'd get something.

And I say that as a former UFOlogy junkie. I'd love to believe we're being visited by alien intelligence. The evidence just doesn't support it.

Edial · Jul 4, 2015

Armoured said:
Sure, conspiracies are possible, indeed, known to have occurred... but therein lies the crux of the issue... we know about past conspiracies. Why? Because humans are really bad at them. We don't keep secrets. You've heard the expression "two can keep a secret if one is dead"? Seriously, the fastest way to spread a rumour is prefix it with "don't tell anyone I told you..."

So yes, conspiracies are possible, and people do lust for wealth and power and will conspire to get it. However... the idea that a massive, global spanning, century long conspiracy could exit without breach and exposure is, frankly, absurd. Even the NSA has it's Assange, it's Snowden, and it's supposed to be the most secretive organisation on the planet!

True. People cannot keep secrets. That is why not many should know the whole picture and the rest, the 'minions' are doing a compartmentalized work not knowing the whole pictures and getting paid for what specific things they do.
Every major corporation and agency (even CF

) works by such a principle.

I was an Advisor so there were certain things I knew Admins did not know.
I stepped down to an Admin (personal reasons

) - there are certain things Admins know Supers do not know.
Advisors know everything, Admins know most of the things and follow what Advisors say.
On and on.

There is a system how to keep secrets by the few yet manage large number of personnel.

Armoured said:
The other side of the coin, of course, is the begged question, "if there really is this all encompassing evil conspiracy, that will kill to stay hidden... how come every other loner with a blog seems to know about it?"

Good point.

But every other loner blogger knows just enough on it to make it either unbelievable, or unreliable or have people followers and donate.

I see you are a Christian. The Bible plainly states in Psalms and Revelation and in historical books that the leadership routinely conspire against people, each other and other countries.
It further states that Satan (a life form) runs this network of all organized evil.

There is also much historical evidence of nations conspiring against nations.

Armoured · Jul 4, 2015

Edial said:
There is also much historical evidence of nations conspiring against nations.

Ah! Another good point... nations conspire against nations all the time, and any given group that gets large enough will fracture into mutually hating splinters with more hatred for each other than any common enemy.

Honestly, give any two humans a length of rope, our instinct is to pull in opposite directions...

and despite thousands of years of very well documented human nature that supports that humans are untrustworthy, miserable, treasonous swine... we're meant to believe this super massive overarching global conspiracy has been running for hundreds of years (or more, depending on version) and in all that time, they've maintained unity of focus and coordination?

Albion · Jul 4, 2015

Edial said:
True. People cannot keep secrets. That is why not many should know the whole picture and the rest, the 'minions' are doing a compartmentalized work not knowing the whole pictures and getting paid for what specific things they do.
Every major corporation and agency (even CF ) works by such a principle.

I was an Advisor so there were certain things I knew Admins did not know.
I stepped down to an Admin (personal reasons ) - there are certain things Admins know Supers do not know.
Advisors know everything, Admins know most of the things and follow what Advisors say.
On and on.

I'm certain that you can tell us how the Admins at that company operated, because you worked there. However, you were not talking about this company in the post to which I replied. You were saying that this is how the upper echelon of the Masons functions, so I asked you what role you had played in it, to be able to know what you wrote about that organization.

I see you are a Christian. The Bible plainly states in Psalms and Revelation and in historical books that the leadership routinely conspire against people, each other and other countries.
It further states that Satan (a life form) runs this network of all organized evil.

There is also much historical evidence of nations conspiring against nations.

This doesn't seem to have anything in particular to do with the so-called conspiratorial societies referred to in the OP. The idea that if a conspiracy to do wrong ever existed anywhere, it's therefore OK to bear false witness against random organizations doesn't seem right. Not to my way of thinking, anyhow.

And, yes, it's probably because I am a Christian that I remember that that's one of the Ten Commandments.

Edial · Jul 4, 2015

Albion said:
Who says that?

Who says there is Mafia? (I never thought I would hear an objection like that

)
The jails are full of them, Family leaders, Police has official organizational charts of the Families.
But if you say there us no Mafia, what else can I say.

Albion said:
You'd have to be high up in the organization to know this to be so. What degree or echelon are you?

At CF I was a highest degree in the organizational chart - Advisor.
So I knew everything.
Then I voluntarily came down to an Administrator - I know most of the things.
Same principle is with Freemasons or other organizations.
The higher you go the more you know.

Same principle but different contexts of organizations.

Albion said:
Fair enough, Ed. Then show us the evidence for the Illuminati's existence and conspiratorial activities.

Actually it is up to you to show that such organizations disappeared. You said they were once active.
Yet since you do not believe that any secrecy exists how can I show you contracts?

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