How Do We Know What Is Truth?

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Then why are there 44,000 different versions of the Truth, when they all have a Bible?
First of all we need to question the 44,000 number which has been bandied about. It would be more like 44 (if that).

Secondly we need to see how many of them have incorporated the doctrines and practices of men into the teachings of Scripture.

Next we need to see how many preach the true Gospel and Bible Truth vs another Gospel and another Jesus. Once we sort out the chaff from the wheat, we can certainly know the truth.
 
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Paul NEVER said to simply look at the church. You would take what the pope said over what the Bible says anyways
Jesus said that Elijah SHALL come. Whose words do you think I will believe?
The Pope would never go against the Bible so I don't have to worry about that.

If you think William Branham is the Elijah being referred to then you are severely misguided. He is a heretic and a false prophet. His views changed from the beginning of his ministry to the end of it and he gave numerous false prophecies that never came true. A good tip for any aspiring false prophet is never set a time or date for your prophecy because when that time passes the game is up and the truth is clear. Maybe he miscalculated which is the fallback excuse for all these false prophets.

Jesus said Elijah shall come and this is true but William Branham is not Elijah and did not come in the spirit of Elijah so keep searching. Also Elijah is suppose to come near the end time and Branham died 50 years ago so this latency period feels very anticlimactic.
 
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Ok "The Mystery of God is Christ Revealed" is great teaching and relevant to now. Thanks for telling me about it. I have been teaching Christ in us, willing and doing us in the here and now, as opposed to pie in the sky when we die. Let His grace continue to prevail. :)
 
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The Pope would never go against the Bible so I don't have to worry about that.

If you think William Branham is the Elijah being referred to then you are severely misguided. He is a heretic and a false prophet. His views changed from the beginning of his ministry to the end of it and he gave numerous false prophecies that never came true. A good tip for any aspiring false prophet is never set a time or date for your prophecy because when that time passes the game is up and the truth is clear. Maybe he miscalculated which is the fallback excuse for all these false prophets.

Jesus said Elijah shall come and this is true but William Branham is not Elijah and did not come in the spirit of Elijah so keep searching. Also Elijah is suppose to come near the end time and Branham died 50 years ago so this latency period feels very anticlimactic.

You are misinformed. What you are referring to was not a prophecy, he always said that, "I do not prophesy, but I predict." That sir, is not a prophecy. Please show me any prophesies that failed.

The "Catholic Church" of Christ's day (the Pharisees) called Jesus a heretic and false prophet too, so I guess he is in good company :) Jesus said that he would destroy the temple and rebuild it in 3 days. The temple wasn't destroyed until long after Jesus was gone, and it has yet to be rebuilt. The Jews look at that and say "Prophecy unfulfilled." Just because you don't understand what was supposed to happen, does not mean it is unfulfilled.

The prophet Isaiah prophesied that King Hezekiah (I think) would die. He said THUS SAITH THE LORD. Then he went back, and Prophesied, You will live for 15 more years. Does that make him a false prophet, because his first prophesy did not happen?

Brother Branham relied on the Lord for the revelation of the Word. In the beginning of his ministry, many of the truths were hidden to him, just as they were to us. But his ministry was of restoration. As he went on, the Lord corrected his false understanding as it was revealed. The difference with him was he was WILLING to ADMIT that he was wrong. The majority today will keep going right along with what they always said, in order to save face.

Yes, his doctrines were refined as the years went on, but no, he never had a "thus saith the Lord" fail. His end of the world prediction was simply that, a prediction.

One more thing: If you look through the scriptures, a false prophet always had a motive. What was Brother Branhams? He died living in a duplex, NUMEROUS times rejecting millions of dollars from rich men whose family members had been healed in his campaign. He ALWAYS pointed people to Christ. His ministry was SO PHENOMENAL, that some erring people claimed that HE was the Messiah. In response to this, he quit his ministry for a short time, before God told him to go back.

ONLY GOD could have done what was done in his ministry, and has NEVER been matched, but by Christ himself. Let's think here: there are 2 men in history that we know of that had the gift of discernment operate in their lives superfluously. Jesus Christ and William Branham. When the women at the well, Nathanael, Simon Peter, and many others saw that gift it proved to them that Jesus was the Messiah. Now, we have that same gift in our day, and the one with it is saying that it is NOT him doing it, but it is Jesus Himself. If you can't believe, that is your problem. Show me any pope that has healed millions and whose ministry was led of the Angel of the Lord?

He always said that it was the Angel who showed him the things of the people that was NEVER wrong, etc. If the Angel that did only what God could do was with him, and the same Angel corrected the doctrine, then I am going to listen to what the Angel said, and not you.
 
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The Pope would never go against the Bible so I don't have to worry about that.

The popes whole mission is bringing all denominations, and even religions together. If I have to show you in the Bible where this is absolute heresy, then I will not waste my time anymore.
 
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First of all we need to question the 44,000 number which has been bandied about. It would be more like 44 (if that).

Secondly we need to see how many of them have incorporated the doctrines and practices of men into the teachings of Scripture.

Next we need to see how many preach the true Gospel and Bible Truth vs another Gospel and another Jesus. Once we sort out the chaff from the wheat, we can certainly know the truth.

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a106.htm
(the number was at 33,000 in 2001)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

This is obviously not a comprehensive list, but it shows that there are way more than 44. How many offshoots of the Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists, Pentecostals, Independents, people disagree on something and a church splits and a new denomination is created.

What you are saying sounds good but that's just not how God does it. He does it his way, you do it your way. The "wheat" you are speaking of. Do they consider themselves "wheat?" They would probably consider YOU "wheat." God has to provide an absolute, and man's interpretation of the Bible is not absolute. That is why God gave HIS interpretation.
 
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My posts are not about the man Branham or the pope. They are simply messengers and will be judged on their own merit. My posts are about the message. Christ in us now and our subjection to His sovereign will, so that He can express that will through us. This is the reality of our salvation that everyone needs to believe, for it can only done with the faith that He gave us. This is what grace is all about.
 
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There is too much for me to tell you.! I would implore you to listen to him prayerfully and see if God reveals it to you.

Here is a link to where you can read or listen to his sermons:
http://www.messagehub.info/en/messages.do

I'd rather get the abridged version from you. I don't have a lot of free time. How are you preparing for the wedding feast in a way that you think I might not be? If you can answer that it would be very helpful.
 
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He also answered:

Joh 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? (29) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
If God sent a prophet, then we better believe on him. It's not for everybody, though. Numerous time Jesus told of those who "it is not given to" and those "who can not hear". Reading an autobiography is nice, but you should listen to him preach. Try Christ is the Mystery of God Revealed. If it doesn't do anything for you, then you have done all that you can! Just pray that if you need this, that He would open your eyes.

I believe He was referring to Jesus.
 
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You cannot follow Him completely until you know completely who He is. The Bible clearly tells us in "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" (The Book of Revelation) that His mystery was to be hid until the end time. It is no longer hid, which is why you need to find out what you've been missing!
Tell us what we don't know about Him yet. I know you don't want to, you would rather we spend endless hours listening to sermons, but who has that kind of time? Stop teasing and tell us!
 
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Tell us what we don't know about Him yet. I know you don't want to, you would rather we spend endless hours listening to sermons, but who has that kind of time? Stop teasing and tell us!

It is not that easy... Jesus is the Word, so our understanding of the Word = our understanding of Jesus. The Word was hidden from full revelation until now. You can either know him fully, or in part. I cannot just tell you on here everything that you have seen incorrectly in the entire Bible. But this revelation does not just show us who He is, but it shows us who WE are as the Bride as well.

It is simply too much to type. I would suggest listening to at least one, and if it pulls on your heart and you want to know more, then I could help you from there.
 
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It is not that easy... Jesus is the Word, so our understanding of the Word = our understanding of Jesus. The Word was hidden from full revelation until now. You can either know him fully, or in part. I cannot just tell you on here everything that you have seen incorrectly in the entire Bible. But this revelation does not just show us who He is, but it shows us who WE are as the Bride, as well.
Ok, then just tell me a couple things I've seen incorrectly.
 
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I would have to start a new thread for each subject! lol.

If you think that this might be of God, and that there is a chance that He did in fact send a prophet, as a Christian it would be negligent to not do anything about it. If you aren't willing to do anything for it, I don't want to have to keep bottle feeding. I would like to see a little effort on your part before I keep laboring. If it really means something to you, then you should be happy to look into it. If you listen to 1 sermon, and want to hear more, then I will help. I am uploading one to dropbox I will provide a link. It is called "The Seed is not Heir with the Shuck."
 
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Ok, then just tell me a couple things I've seen incorrectly.

Without getting involved, here are a few big ones:

The truth about water baptism
The truth about the Godhead (I have barely started)
The truth about the original sin
The truth about predestination
The truth about the new birth
The truth about the mark of the beast
The truth about Mystery Babylon, Mother of Harlots
The Revelation of the Seven Seals
The truth about the "sabbath"
The truth on marriage and divorce
The truth about holiness
 
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I would have to start a new thread for each subject! lol.

If you think that this might be of God, and that there is a chance that He did in fact send a prophet, as a Christian it would be negligent to not do anything about it. If you aren't willing to do anything for it, I don't want to have to keep bottle feeding. I would like to see a little effort on your part before I keep laboring. If it really means something to you, then you should be happy to look into it. If you listen to 1 sermon, and want to hear more, then I will help. I am uploading one to dropbox I will provide a link. It is called "The Seed is not Heir with the Shuck."

I haven't decided if it is worth the effort or not. So far you haven't even given a hint of why I should be interested.
 
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Without getting involved, here are a few big ones:

The truth about water baptism
The truth about the Godhead (I have barely started)
The truth about the original sin
The truth about predestination
The truth about the new birth
The truth about the mark of the beast
The truth about Mystery Babylon, Mother of Harlots
The Revelation of the Seven Seals
The truth about the "sabbath"
The truth on marriage and divorce
The truth about holiness

And the truth about these things are not contained in Scripture?
 
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I would have to start a new thread for each subject! lol.

If you think that this might be of God, and that there is a chance that He did in fact send a prophet, as a Christian it would be negligent to not do anything about it. If you aren't willing to do anything for it, I don't want to have to keep bottle feeding. I would like to see a little effort on your part before I keep laboring. If it really means something to you, then you should be happy to look into it. If you listen to 1 sermon, and want to hear more, then I will help. I am uploading one to dropbox I will provide a link. It is called "The Seed is not Heir with the Shuck."

The Church and the Bride are not the same group of Christians?
 
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