Trinitarians: Which part of the Trinity is Jehovah?

donfish06 · Jun 23, 2015

A trinitarian brother on another thread refused to answer this question.

Can anybody give me an answer?

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD*God made the earth and the heavens,

* יְהֹוָה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

single eye · Jun 24, 2015

donfish06 said:
A trinitarian brother on another thread refused to answer this question.

Can anybody give me an answer?

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD*God made the earth and the heavens,

* יְהֹוָה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

The god who goes by so many names like, lord, adonai, elohim, and jehovah is the author of confusion, not the GOD who sent Jesus and The Spirit of Truth to deliver the faith to the saints. The kingdom of God is at hand, only the saints produced scripture.

Gregory Thompson · Jun 24, 2015

*done living in this question, see next response*

Biblicist · Jun 24, 2015

donfish06 said:
A trinitarian brother on another thread refused to answer this question.

Can anybody give me an answer?

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD*God made the earth and the heavens,

* יְהֹוָה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

If you head back a few verses you will come across a couple of phrases that say "Let Us' which might provide a clue.

donfish06 · Jun 24, 2015

Biblicist2 said:
If you head back a few verses you will come across a couple of phrases that say "Let Us' which might provide a clue.

Gen 1:26-28 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: ... (27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (28) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

God said "us", then he created 1. He did not create Adam AND Eve. He created just Adam. What was to BE Eve was A PART of Adam. If man was made in God's image, let's see what his image is:

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

So God is an invisible Spirit. He cannot be seen. So when God made "THEM" in the beginning, he made "THEM" ONE Spirit, that was both masculine and feminine. This perfectly fits the scriptures, because it wasn't until chapter TWO that he:

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Notice He didn't give the spirit man that was created in HIS image a body until AFTER the 7th day. At this point, his created man is still one! He is not 3 in one, but he is 1. If God is a trinity, and he made man in his image, then man Adam would have been a trinity.

Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Let's view a chronological summary of what happened. God created man is His image. THEN he gave man a flesh body of the dust of the earth. THEN he took the feminine part of Adam out, and created Eve.

Again, to repeat my point. God said "let us" make man, and he made man, ONE. NOT THREE.

Something interesting to note. Eve was not called Eve until after the fall. Before then she was so a part of Adam, they were BOTH named Adam. Eve = expression of Adam made manifest.

Gregory Thompson · Jun 24, 2015

Short answer, Jehovah is the Holy Spirit, usually Jehovah or YHWH is juxtaposed to Elohiym, the Father.

donfish06 · Jun 24, 2015

Michael Collum said:
Short answer, Jehovah is the Holy Spirit, usually Jehovah or YHWH is juxtaposed to Elohiym, the Father.

The Holy spirit is Jehovah?

Col 1:16 For by him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Joh 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty (Jesus said this)

Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Isa 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Col 1:16 For by him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

There is no "3 in one." The Son is the simply the Father being manifested. The Holy Spirit cannot be separated from the Father. There cannot be 2 eternal spirits. The Holy Spirit is God in Us.

Father= Eternal, self-existent God who dwells outside of his creation.
Son= the Father WITH us, expressed
Holy Spirit = God IN us.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all(Father), and through all(Son), and in you all(Holy Spirit).

donfish06 · Jun 24, 2015

HOW DOES GOD REVEAL HIMSELF?

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Based upon the scriptures above, it is fairly easy to conclude that God, being a Spirit, can NOT be seen. Spirits are invisible. Not only is he a Spirit, but he is an ETERNAL Spirit, meaning he has exists outside of time and space. Time and space are his creation, thus he exists outside of his creation.

This will get real deep so please pay attention and pray that if what I am saying is the truth, that the Lord would reveal himself to you in a great way!

Before anything ever was, God was all alone. You could say that he was not yet "God" since the word means an object of worship, and there was nothing to worship him. But for all of eternity it was IN HIM to be God thus, technically, eternally he IS God. Understand?

Anyways, God had no way to express who he was. How could he be known as a creator if 1) there was no one by whom to be “known”, 2) He had not yet created anything?

We all know how he created, and that was through his WORD. Now hear me: God existed forever alone with only his THOUGHTS. Being eternal, he always knows the beginning from the end. Everything you and I would ever say or do, he already knows. Because he knows that his thoughts are true, then before he even created us, we were just as real to him.

So in His “mind” his thoughts “were” (were is past tense, which doesn’t make sense when speaking of an eternal being, but it is easier to understand instead of me saying his thoughts “are” when I am referring to before this point of time J) always with him. All of creation was (is) REAL inside his thoughts. In order for His thoughts to be expressed, he had to SPEAK them.

I may be repeating some things and I apologize but this is really hard to do over text because I cannot tell what is and is not being comprehended.

God the Father always was (is). When he SPOKE, he expressed what was INSIDE. It was ((is) You get the point now? Okay I’m done) who he WAS. But it was never expressed until he SPOKE! When he spoke, his THOUGHTS were expressed AS his WORD!

THAT!!! Is the relationship between the Father and the Son!! God the Father simply is God. The Son of God is God expressed! This shows why Jesus cannot be coequal and coeternal. There is no such thing as an eternal word! EVERY word has to start out as a THOUGHT! And there is NO way we can know what the thought is unless it is SPOKEN! That is why Jesus said “no man can come to the Father, but by me!” He was the WORD expressed, IN FLESH! We cannot know the Father (God’s eternal thoughts, his being) unless we receive his Son (the word, expressing the thought). Also, there can be no such thing as “eternal sonship.” To be a son you have to have been begotten! To be a Father you have to have begotten something! God does not use these words to describe Himself by accident, Brothers and Sister!

You can see somebody for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year, etc and never KNOW who they ARE unless they SPEAK to you! You can guess! “Oh that man is big and strong looking, I bet he is a real tough guy”, then he talks to you, (expressing who he is) and you find out that he is a big teddy bear! Lol.

This is the same with God. If we claim to know who He is, but reject his Son (his Word) we are fooled! It is impossible.

Gregory Thompson · Jun 24, 2015

donfish06 said:
The Holy spirit is Jehovah?

Col 1:16 For by him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Joh 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty (Jesus said this)

Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Isa 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Col 1:16 For by him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

There is no "3 in one." The Son is the simply the Father being manifested. The Holy Spirit cannot be separated from the Father. There cannot be 2 eternal spirits. The Holy Spirit is God in Us.

Father= Eternal, self-existent God who dwells outside of his creation.
Son= the Father WITH us, expressed
Holy Spirit = God IN us.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all(Father), and through all(Son), and in you all(Holy Spirit).

Those passages appear to support what I was saying.

donfish06 said:
HOW DOES GOD REVEAL HIMSELF?

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Based upon the scriptures above, it is fairly easy to conclude that God, being a Spirit, can NOT be seen. Spirits are invisible. Not only is he a Spirit, but he is an ETERNAL Spirit, meaning he has exists outside of time and space. Time and space are his creation, thus he exists outside of his creation.

This will get real deep so please pay attention and pray that if what I am saying is the truth, that the Lord would reveal himself to you in a great way!

Before anything ever was, God was all alone. You could say that he was not yet "God" since the word means an object of worship, and there was nothing to worship him. But for all of eternity it was IN HIM to be God thus, technically, eternally he IS God. Understand?

Anyways, God had no way to express who he was. How could he be known as a creator if 1) there was no one by whom to be “known”, 2) He had not yet created anything?

We all know how he created, and that was through his WORD. Now hear me: God existed forever alone with only his THOUGHTS. Being eternal, he always knows the beginning from the end. Everything you and I would ever say or do, he already knows. Because he knows that his thoughts are true, then before he even created us, we were just as real to him.

So in His “mind” his thoughts “were” (were is past tense, which doesn’t make sense when speaking of an eternal being, but it is easier to understand instead of me saying his thoughts “are” when I am referring to before this point of time J) always with him. All of creation was (is) REAL inside his thoughts. In order for His thoughts to be expressed, he had to SPEAK them.

I may be repeating some things and I apologize but this is really hard to do over text because I cannot tell what is and is not being comprehended.

God the Father always was (is). When he SPOKE, he expressed what was INSIDE. It was ((is) You get the point now? Okay I’m done) who he WAS. But it was never expressed until he SPOKE! When he spoke, his THOUGHTS were expressed AS his WORD!

THAT!!! Is the relationship between the Father and the Son!! God the Father simply is God. The Son of God is God expressed! This shows why Jesus cannot be coequal and coeternal. There is no such thing as an eternal word! EVERY word has to start out as a THOUGHT! And there is NO way we can know what the thought is unless it is SPOKEN! That is why Jesus said “no man can come to the Father, but by me!” He was the WORD expressed, IN FLESH! We cannot know the Father (God’s eternal thoughts, his being) unless we receive his Son (the word, expressing the thought). Also, there can be no such thing as “eternal sonship.” To be a son you have to have been begotten! To be a Father you have to have begotten something! God does not use these words to describe Himself by accident, Brothers and Sister!

You can see somebody for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year, etc and never KNOW who they ARE unless they SPEAK to you! You can guess! “Oh that man is big and strong looking, I bet he is a real tough guy”, then he talks to you, (expressing who he is) and you find out that he is a big teddy bear! Lol.

This is the same with God. If we claim to know who He is, but reject his Son (his Word) we are fooled! It is impossible.

I am not sure what you're disagreeing with in context of the thread, but you sure seem passionate about it. hope you have a good day.

ken777 · Jun 25, 2015

donfish06 said:
HOW DOES GOD REVEAL HIMSELF?

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Based upon the scriptures above, it is fairly easy to conclude that God, being a Spirit, can NOT be seen. Spirits are invisible. Not only is he a Spirit, but he is an ETERNAL Spirit, meaning he has exists outside of time and space. Time and space are his creation, thus he exists outside of his creation.

This will get real deep so please pay attention and pray that if what I am saying is the truth, that the Lord would reveal himself to you in a great way!

Before anything ever was, God was all alone. You could say that he was not yet "God" since the word means an object of worship, and there was nothing to worship him. But for all of eternity it was IN HIM to be God thus, technically, eternally he IS God. Understand?

Anyways, God had no way to express who he was. How could he be known as a creator if 1) there was no one by whom to be “known”, 2) He had not yet created anything?

We all know how he created, and that was through his WORD. Now hear me: God existed forever alone with only his THOUGHTS. Being eternal, he always knows the beginning from the end. Everything you and I would ever say or do, he already knows. Because he knows that his thoughts are true, then before he even created us, we were just as real to him.

So in His “mind” his thoughts “were” (were is past tense, which doesn’t make sense when speaking of an eternal being, but it is easier to understand instead of me saying his thoughts “are” when I am referring to before this point of time J) always with him. All of creation was (is) REAL inside his thoughts. In order for His thoughts to be expressed, he had to SPEAK them.

I may be repeating some things and I apologize but this is really hard to do over text because I cannot tell what is and is not being comprehended.

God the Father always was (is). When he SPOKE, he expressed what was INSIDE. It was ((is) You get the point now? Okay I’m done) who he WAS. But it was never expressed until he SPOKE! When he spoke, his THOUGHTS were expressed AS his WORD!

THAT!!! Is the relationship between the Father and the Son!! God the Father simply is God. The Son of God is God expressed! This shows why Jesus cannot be coequal and coeternal. There is no such thing as an eternal word! EVERY word has to start out as a THOUGHT! And there is NO way we can know what the thought is unless it is SPOKEN! That is why Jesus said “no man can come to the Father, but by me!” He was the WORD expressed, IN FLESH! We cannot know the Father (God’s eternal thoughts, his being) unless we receive his Son (the word, expressing the thought). Also, there can be no such thing as “eternal sonship.” To be a son you have to have been begotten! To be a Father you have to have begotten something! God does not use these words to describe Himself by accident, Brothers and Sister!

You can see somebody for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year, etc and never KNOW who they ARE unless they SPEAK to you! You can guess! “Oh that man is big and strong looking, I bet he is a real tough guy”, then he talks to you, (expressing who he is) and you find out that he is a big teddy bear! Lol.

This is the same with God. If we claim to know who He is, but reject his Son (his Word) we are fooled! It is impossible.

You have explained that well, and I have held similar views for some time, however, I do have difficulty explaining John 17:5. Would you like to share how you explain this verse.

.

Open Heart · Jun 25, 2015

The answer to the original question is: the FATHER.

Winepress777 · Jun 30, 2015

donfish06 said:
A trinitarian brother on another thread refused to answer this question.

Can anybody give me an answer?

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD*God made the earth and the heavens,

* יְהֹוָה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

I can!

(Joh 8:24) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
(Joh 8:25) Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

Being an Israelite who's accepted Christ as the Messiah, I witness Jesus Christ as the YHVH (Yahweh/Jehovah) the One God of Israel, just as he said.

(Isa 43:11) I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
(Isa 43:12) I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

Excellent question, thank you. Glad to see it.

DrBubbaLove · Jun 30, 2015

Since the Trinity Doctrine does not teach "parts" but rather One God, and if the teaching is properly understood, Jehovah is God. Which also means each of the Three Persons is properly called Jehovah.

donfish06 · Jun 30, 2015

Open Heart said:
The answer to the original question is: the FATHER.

Could you please explain this then:

Why does the OT say that the Father is the saviour, but the NT says that the Son is?

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Joh 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world

Why does the OT say that the Father is the creator, but the NT says that the Son is?

Col 1:16 For by him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens
Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Why does the OT say that the Father will return with the saints, but the NT says that the Son will?

Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of ourLord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Why does the OT say that the Father is the first and the last (all in all) but the OT says that the Son is? (How can the Father be ALL, and the Son be ALL at the same time?)

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty (Jesus said this)

Why does the OT say that the Father will judge the earth, but the NT says the Son will?

Isa 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

donfish06 · Jun 30, 2015

ken777 said:
You have explained that well, and I have held similar views for some time, however, I do have difficulty explaining John 17:5. Would you like to share how you explain this verse.

.

Sure thing. Jesus was the Word made flesh. The Word was always glorious, even before the world was created. Even in the mind of God before His Thought was expressed AS Word, because God is Eternal, he knew the beginning from the end and there was never a time in his eternal Thought where his Word was not glorified.

Revelations 13:8:
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world

Now, we know that Jesus did not die before the world was formed, but in God's eternal being it had already happened. God is not subject to time like we are. Hope that helps

AphroditeGoneAwry · Jun 30, 2015

YHWH ALHYM

Yahweh is the hebrew word for the letter you posted in the OP. Yahweh enters the creation scene a bit later in the narrative. ALHYM is God mentioned first in the Bible and responsible for the days of creation. He is Father.

Yahweh is akin to Yeshua or the Messiah because Yahweh is the more personable and compassionate form of God; the bridge between God and man.

The trinity is a man or church-made concept with some basis in truth, but it is not the whole truth or an exact description of God's forms. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ARE 3 forms of God but God can make Himself into a multitude of forms, and has numerous names.

But ALHYM is Father
YHWH is Son
and RWCH (ruwach) is the breath of God. The holy spirit can manifest in thought, in tangible objects, or as an angel.

The trinity is not a clear-cut concept. It can also describe the interplay between Love/Law/Faith.

donfish06 · Jun 30, 2015

AphroditeGoneAwry said:
YHWH ALHYM

Yahweh is the hebrew word for the letter you posted in the OP. Yahweh enters the creation scene a bit later in the narrative. ALHYM is God mentioned first in the Bible and responsible for the days of creation. He is Father.

Yahweh is akin to Yeshua or the Messiah because Yahweh is the more personable and compassionate form of God; the bridge between God and man.

The trinity is a man or church-made concept with some basis in truth, but it is not the whole truth or an exact description of God's forms. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ARE 3 forms of God but God can make Himself into a multitude of forms, and has numerous names.

But ALHYM is Father
YHWH is Son
and RWCH (ruwach) is the breath of God. The holy spirit can manifest in thought, in tangible objects, or as an angel.

The trinity is not a clear-cut concept. It can also describe the interplay between Love/Law/Faith.

The problem with what you just said is that the Scriptures tell us that Messiah created all things. Also, you make God out be a schizophrenic, having a compassionate side and a non compassionate side. You give the 1 God 3 names. You're not to different from a trinitarian yourself.

AphroditeGoneAwry · Jun 30, 2015

donfish06 said:
The problem with what you just said is that the Scriptures tell us that Messiah created all things. Also, you make God out be a schizophrenic, having a compassionate side and a non compassionate side. You give the 1 God 3 names. You're not to different from a trinitarian yourself.

Jesus was there when God created all things. He was Ya and He was present. He was Lord. He is a part of God.

I said 'more' compassionate side. Of course God is compassionate!

I am trinitarian. I'm just saying the word is not really referring to the forms of God so much as the necessary parts of His Kingdom.

donfish06 · Jun 30, 2015

AphroditeGoneAwry said:
Jesus was there when God created all things. He was Ya and He was present. He was Lord. He is a part of God.

I said 'more' compassionate side. Of course God is compassionate!

I am trinitarian. I'm just saying the word is not really referring to the forms of God so much as the necessary parts of His Kingdom.

It's does not state that Jesus was present with God when everything was created. It says that he did the creating!

The trinity fails to explain the Godhead properly. It leaves is followers with no understanding of the nature of God

donfish06 · Jun 30, 2015

AphroditeGoneAwry said:
Jesus was there when God created all things. He was Ya and He was present. He was Lord. He is a part of God.

I said 'more' compassionate side. Of course God is compassionate!

I am trinitarian. I'm just saying the word is not really referring to the forms of God so much as the necessary parts of His Kingdom.

And please give me one scripture that States that Jesus is "part" of God. 3 parts = 3 Separations. That, my friend is paganism

Trinitarians: Which part of the Trinity is Jehovah?

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