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Depression is caused by X.

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I've had depression, and I've known lots of people who have depression. Here's what I've learned:

Depression is a symptom. It is not a disease in and of itself; it is a symptom of a disease. It is psychic pain, and pain is a symptom of injury. If you don't get clear on this, all your attempts on dealing with depression will merely be treating a symptom, rather than addressing the root problem.

Depression is a symptom of a great many things. For any given X, a given depression may be caused by X, or it may be caused by Y. To say, categorically, "depression is caused by X" for any value of X is unhelpful. It's an individual thing.

Depression, as a symptom, is a warning that something is very wrong. Take the warning to heart. Find out what it is trying to tell you, and fix it.

Don't expect others to understand. It's not gonna happen.

Depression, regardless of the root cause, is an individual spiritual battle. Either God is with you, or you are alone. Even others with depression can't really help that much. A support group is just the blind leading the blind. Even those who are succeeding: their depressions are not your depressions. They all have different causes behind their symptoms, and what works for them may not be the answer for you.

You need faith, courage, a refusal to accept pat answers and a refusal to accept any substitutes for God. You will either grow far beyond ordinary people in spiritual wisdom or you will be destroyed. Don't just try to be normal. You need to shoot higher than that or you will miss the mark. If you prevail, you will become extraordinary. This is your Gethsemane.

Winston Churchill went through depression. He became extraordinary.
 
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There is only one point you made on which I must disagree, and it's relatively minor. You state, "Either God is with you, or you are alone." I submit that we are never alone. God is always there. Just because we don't see or acknowledge Him, and don't call on Him for help, doesn't mean He isn't there. Of course, if we are not calling on Him, then functionally we are alone, because we don't utilize the Resource we have.

I agree that even other people with depression can't help much. It makes me think about the words to that old spiritual. "You got to walk that lonesome valley. You got to walk it by yourself. Ain't nobody else can walk it for you. You got to walk it by yourself."

As for depression being a symptom, not an illness in itself, that's probably true. I have made the same statement about alcoholism/addiction. The particular substance doesn't matter as much as the underlying cause. That's why people can quit drinking, only to find themselves addicted to something else such as food instead. They aren't really any better off, are they? I've heard it joked in 12-step meetings that "nobody has ever been arrested for fat driving," but addiction is addiction. Until we deal with what causes us to get addicted, we're just going to find other substances or behaviors to become addicted to.
 
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You need faith, courage, a refusal to accept pat answers and a refusal to accept any substitutes for God. You will either grow far beyond ordinary people in spiritual wisdom or you will be destroyed. Don't just try to be normal. You need to shoot higher than that or you will miss the mark. If you prevail, you will become extraordinary. This is your Gethsemane.

It is easy to overlook that there are resources in this world that are in fact good for you. Reliance on God is one thing, refusing medical help, medication, support groups etc is another. Oftentimes a severely depressed person needs some semblance of balance to even go forward. Medication to an extent is a boon not a burden.

I think for the majority, just to be normal is more than enough. Unrealistic expectations will inherently bring a person back down.

God does, and will help, but it is foolish not to use the resources He has provided for you. Prayers are not always answered how people expect them, but by Gods workings.
 
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^ be warned on medications. Mine made me suicidal and they took me off them and said I should never go back on them. I do have a debilitating disease that is, to an extent, killing me slowly over time. It makes daily life difficult. It's disabling. Depression followed the other symptoms and took an onset fully when a diagnosis began.
 
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I do believe it can be a symptom of things but also believe it can be an illness for some. I've had people say depression is just that, need go out n do X, Y or Z n it'll be gone. It does not always work that way even though some are ignorant or do not want to learn about depression even clinical or what ever the term is now days. Sir Robbins (nice name by the way) yes it is true some do become suicidal on medications but then again some do well on them. Just need find the right combination that works for you as a individual. Does not mean not everyone should avoid medications just try different ones to see what will work and what won't work...

Depression and anxiety sort of go hand in hand in a lot of situations. Like some say addiction can lead to depression, sure it can depends on if that addiction is bothering you to the point not sure how to over come it or deal with it. Often it is hard to ask for help and or search for resources that are out there to help you as a person to deal with depression or addictions ect..

The thing is it is hard to ask for help or admit we need help with what ever ails us as a person, fear of judgement or saying oh, its no big deal just need to do X, Y or Z to get over it.. Not often does that actually work.. So that's my view on things..
 
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Part of what causes confusion, I think, is the use of clinical words to describe what are actually normal, everyday emotions. People say they are having "anxiety" because midterm exams are coming up. They say they had a "panic attack" when they couldn't find their two-year-old, and then they saw the back gate left open. They say they are "depressed" because their dog was run over by a car. All of those are triggered by something easily explainable. True anxiety or depression can happen without being related to any event whatsoever. I've felt those emotions just as strongly when I didn't have any discernible reason to be nervous or sad. That's why I despise that question, "What are you depressed about?" People never ask an epileptic, "What are you having a seizure about?"

In my experience, emotional imbalance is only a symptom of the underlying illness. To put it in flu terms, having a fever is a sign that you're sick, but the fever is not the illness itself. There's more to having the flu than only running a high temperature, just like there is more to depression than only feeling sad.
 
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I agree with most of what you said, but like another poster said, we are never alone. God is always there. When people let us down he is there. I also think that no person can fix our problem as you have said, however i do believe we can gain strength from each other by loving each other as God wants us to do. Many of us, or at least me anyway, do not fit into most religious circles because those people do not understand this struggle. They are sometimes judgmental and that is not helpful at all. I'M sure many of them mean well and we all have times that we are judgmental and not understanding, and its like we are blind and cannot see properly. ITs not good to feel alone though because the enemy will use that against us. He will throw fiery darts of condemnation at us and try to put us into a prison of condemnation where our only companions will be doubt, fear and hopelessness. I believe in love, i believe in fellowship that loves and hopes together no matter what we see or feel in this life. I should not hate them because we are all blind, looking through a dark lens and we cannot see everything. I refuse to be judged by others who have no understanding of my struggles. God has set me free from the opinions of others. I answer to Him and no man or religious denomination. We cannot allow the enemy to cut us out of the flock like a bunch of stray sheep. WE have hope in the Lord and that is why we are here, and that hope is our salvation. Thats why people who suffer with mental disorders should stick together, we can gain strength through love and compassion.

You have said many things that are very valuable and im grateful that you said them. Its not often that we hear what we need to hear.
 
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