I Am The Way..... To Heaven

7angel · May 12, 2015

John 16
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4 I have told you this so that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them. "I did not tell this from the beginning because I was with you.
5 But now I go to him who sent me, and none of you asks me, 'Where are you going? "
6 But because I have said that your hearts are filled with sadness.

To go to heaven, we must pass this life is like crossing to the other side of a river, it shows that death no longer exists, Jesus overcame death did not flinch, he never renounced his mission, and Moses opened a way through the waters of the sea, - Jesus opened the way to reach God.

7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth to your advantage that I go away; because if I do not go, do not come to you the Paraclete; but if I go, I will send him:

Therefore, Jesus must return to where it came from, if not returned for fear of death, his mission had failed and the Paraclete will not come.

8 and when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin, concerning justice and concerning judgment;

9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;

Believing in Jesus is listening to his word and put it into practice, "Blessed is he who hears my word and practice, because otherwise, we can not do the will of God. Then, thus no longer takes into account our sin - but if our decision is to continue living in our mistakes, discard salvation and our sins are still with us -

Dt. 30 - 15 now set before you life and happiness, death and misery.
16 If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I enjoin on you today, loving the Lord your God and fulfill his commands, his laws and commandments, then you will live, you multiply, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land where now you are entering to possess it.

10 in regard to righteousness, because I go to My Father, and I no longer see;

Who can restore the damage and the crimes they commit? - Who can restore life to the dead? - Because that is true justice. and it does, is God, our Father in Heaven.

11 concerning judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

The prince of this world is man, when Jesus was resurrected, let free the two roads, Dt, 15 I have set before you life and happiness, death and misery. That's our opinion, we freely choose which path to take. "Whoever believes in me has eternal life and abundance, and whoever does not believe is condemned himself.

12 I have much to tell you, but now you can not bear it.

joshuanazar · May 12, 2015

7angel said:
John 16
.....
4 I have told you this so that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them. "I did not tell this from the beginning because I was with you.
5 But now I go to him who sent me, and none of you asks me, 'Where are you going? "
6 But because I have said that your hearts are filled with sadness.

To go to heaven, we must pass this life is like crossing to the other side of a river, it shows that death no longer exists, Jesus overcame death did not flinch, he never renounced his mission, and Moses opened a way through the waters of the sea, - Jesus opened the way to reach God.

7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth to your advantage that I go away; because if I do not go, do not come to you the Paraclete; but if I go, I will send him:

Therefore, Jesus must return to where it came from, if not returned for fear of death, his mission had failed and the Paraclete will not come.

8 and when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin, concerning justice and concerning judgment;

9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;

Believing in Jesus is listening to his word and put it into practice, "Blessed is he who hears my word and practice, because otherwise, we can not do the will of God. Then, thus no longer takes into account our sin - but if our decision is to continue living in our mistakes, discard salvation and our sins are still with us -

Dt. 30 - 15 now set before you life and happiness, death and misery.
16 If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I enjoin on you today, loving the Lord your God and fulfill his commands, his laws and commandments, then you will live, you multiply, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land where now you are entering to possess it.

10 in regard to righteousness, because I go to My Father, and I no longer see;

Who can restore the damage and the crimes they commit? - Who can restore life to the dead? - Because that is true justice. and it does, is God, our Father in Heaven.

11 concerning judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

The prince of this world is man, when Jesus was resurrected, let free the two roads, Dt, 15 I have set before you life and happiness, death and misery. That's our opinion, we freely choose which path to take. "Whoever believes in me has eternal life and abundance, and whoever does not believe is condemned himself.

12 I have much to tell you, but now you can not bear it.

You say believing involves practicing God's word and then go on to quote the old testament about obeying commandments. Are you teaching the law? Where does grace fit in your post?

7angel · May 14, 2015

The gospel perfects the Law of Moses, since the law defines crimes and prejudice.

The gospel does not nullify the law, but if someone does not love his brother as yourself or do not follow or do not practice their teachings, has already been tried by their own attitude.
From the resurrection, all past sins are erased, but, commencing upon the commandments of the Gospel, we can adopt or reject just as shown in DT. 30.

We will all be judged in the resurrection, and everyone will be your own judge.

joshuanazar · May 14, 2015

Again I ask where does grace fit in? Also now I have other questions. You said that all our past sins are erased, so are you saying that Jesus' sacrifice was insufficient to pay for our future sins as well? And as for this law how do you reconcile your statement to what the Bible says about us being dead to the law, that we are no longer under the law but under grace, or where Paul says that all things are lawful? I could go on but I think that is enough to show the scriptures stance on the law no longer having dominion over us.

7angel · May 15, 2015

I hope that this reading clarify your doubts

Matthew 5

21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you,
24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.

25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison.
26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.

joshuanazar · May 15, 2015

Of course Jesus taught Law, he was still under; the Law not having been abolished until his death. But Jesus was clear, grace covers the law. If I couldn't keep the Law before I was saved, why should I be able to now? All I can do is live in the Spirit and I will by nature do the things that are in the Law though the Law does not have any dominion over me.

1 Corinthians 15:54b-57
Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

So, because of Jesus we have victory over death. How? The sting of death must have lost its strength.

7angel · May 18, 2015

After Jesus' death no longer exists ...
Therefore
John 5
26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself;

27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment, because the Son of Man.

28 Do not marvel at this; because time is coming when all who are in the graves will hear His voice;

29 and those who have done good, unto the resurrection of life; they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Hell is metaphor........a correctional prison or purification of souls

joshuanazar · May 18, 2015

Are you trying to say that hell is not a real place?

7angel · May 19, 2015

Hell is suffering the same pain we have caused in this life.

Matthew 7
12 Therefore, whatever ye would that men Do ye even so to them: for this is the Law and the Prophets

Read
Luke 16: 19-31

joshuanazar · May 20, 2015

7angel said:
Hell is suffering the same pain we have caused in this life.

Matthew 7
12 Therefore, whatever ye would that men Do ye even so to them: for this is the Law and the Prophets

Read
Luke 16: 19-31

No. Hell is an eternal separation from God and all that is good. Do you think that after you have suffered the same amount of pain that you caused in your lifetime that you can get out of hell and go to God? That isn't the case. The Bible calls hell the eternal death. The only escape is through Jesus Christ in this life.

7angel · May 24, 2015

Ezekiel 18.21 to 28: Do I want the death of the wicked, and not to become and live?
Thus says the Lord God:
"If the wicked turns from sins and keep my precepts, practices law and justice, he shall surely live and not die. It did not take account of the crimes committed by the justice he did, he shall live. Do I want the death of the wicked, says the Lord, and not to turn from his ways and live? If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, imitating the abominations of evil, perhaps he will live ?; It does not take into account the justice he did: for the iniquity which he committed and the sins he has committed, he will die.
Comentaís: "It is just the way of the Lord".
Listen, house of Israel: Is my ways unjust ?, or is it not your ways that are unfair? When the righteous man turns from his righteousness, he commits iniquity and dies, dies by the evil he committed. And when the wicked turns from the wickedness he did and practices justice and righteousness, he saves his life. Because he considers and turns of the crimes committed, he shall surely live and not die. "

It is the reason for which there is hell
If hell were eternal, no sense
God is not a sadist, who is pleased with eternal pain and suffering ..
Where is the God who is love?

joshuanazar · May 25, 2015

Of course God isn't pleased with the eternal suffering that occurs in Hell. That is why he came and took our place so we would never have to go there. But those who reject his gift, reject him and Hell is their destination. Hell is a real place with eternal suffering and God wants us with him, not Hell. However, it is our choice.

miamited · May 25, 2015

Hi 7angel,

Just to be clear on terms: Jesus never promised anyone heaven. Jesus' promise was eternal life. The Scriptures seem fairly clear to me that eternal life will not be spent in heaven.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

joshuanazar said:
Of course God isn't pleased with the eternal suffering that occurs in Hell. That is why he came and took our place so we would never have to go there. But those who reject his gift, reject him and Hell is their destination. Hell is a real place with eternal suffering and God wants us with him, not Hell. However, it is our choice.

Hi J,

You are correct that God will not be pleased with the eternal suffering that will occur in 'hell', but neither is God pleased with that same suffering here upon the earth, although it is not eternal.

God bless you both,
In Christ, Ted

joshuanazar · May 25, 2015

You are correct that is why his grace is for here as well as the afterlife. =)

miamited · May 25, 2015

joshuanazar said:
You are correct that is why his grace is for here as well as the afterlife. =)

Hi J,

So, it is your understanding that after the day written about in the Revelation chapter 21 that those whose names were not written in the Lamb's book of life will be able to gain eternal life?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

joshuanazar · May 26, 2015

miamited said:
Hi J,

So, it is your understanding that after the day written about in the Revelation chapter 21 that those whose names were not written in the Lamb's book of life will be able to gain eternal life?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Absolutely not. Sorry. I believe that grace is constantly being extended to everyone living. But if someone were to reject God's grace, there remains nothing else that can save them. What I meant to say by my previous post is that Jesus' sacrifice was sufficient not only to purchase eternal life with him, but also things that we need while still on earth. If we accept it that is.

miamited · May 26, 2015

joshuanazar said:
Absolutely not. Sorry. I believe that grace is constantly being extended to everyone living. But if someone were to reject God's grace, there remains nothing else that can save them. What I meant to say by my previous post is that Jesus' sacrifice was sufficient not only to purchase eternal life with him, but also things that we need while still on earth. If we accept it that is.

Thanks joshua. I just wanted to check my understanding of your post.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

joshuanazar · May 27, 2015

No problem.

ToBeLoved · May 28, 2015

7angel said:
The gospel perfects the Law of Moses, since the law defines crimes and prejudice.

The gospel does not nullify the law, but if someone does not love his brother as yourself or do not follow or do not practice their teachings, has already been tried by their own attitude.
From the resurrection, all past sins are erased, but, commencing upon the commandments of the Gospel, we can adopt or reject just as shown in DT. 30.

We will all be judged in the resurrection, and everyone will be your own judge.

At a very high level the gospel perfects the Law in as much as if one can successfully ALWAYS keep the two most important commandments of loving God and loving others that the Law is fulfilled in that, but we are not perfect, so in that sense only Jesus being without sin was the one who Fulfilled the Law, not us.

In another sense, because Jesus always forgives our sin if we are one of His children when we repent in truth, the Law is fulfilled in us after repentance that that sin is wiped away.

John 1:8-10
"If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us."

Psalms 103:11-12
"So great is His loving kindness toward those who fear Him. 12 As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us."

However, we reach the state of fulfilling the law only through Jesus.

So, in that we do not fulfill the law ourselves I think your statement is not an accurate reflection of the gospel and the law and how it is fulfilled and not nullified. Very confusing the way it is presented because we are not held to the law. The law is fulfilled. The gospel is ours now!!!!!

7angel · May 28, 2015

I wonder, when and for what reason a person repents of his sins?

God is not pleased with the suffering of anyone, I think on this we all agree.

Why then suffering must be eternal?

Would not it be better than those who go to hell, to die?

The age of the universe, according to the Big Bang Theory is the time since the Big Bang to the present time. The consensus of contemporary scientists is about 13,798 ± 0,037 billions of years, one that is the age of the universe is between 13,761 and 13.835 million years.

All this amount of years is nothing compared to eternity, a person suffering ever imagine

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