$15 Dollar per hour minimum wage your Thoughts?

nick garai · May 21, 2015

If the minimum wage goes up, and I am all for it here in British Columbia, then the cost of living will also go up. Everything else will get more expensive.

MoreCoffee · May 21, 2015

nick garai said:
If the minimum wage goes up, and I am all for it here in British Columbia, then the cost of living will also go up. Everything else will get more expensive.

Does Canada have inflation? If so then everything is already going up and keeping the minimum wage rate at a low level only further impoverishes those who earn it.

daydreamergurl15 · May 22, 2015

Regardless of how much you make, if you cannot budget your money, you'll be seeking a $20 minimum wage job.

redblue22 · May 22, 2015

and there's healthcare.

OldFashionGal · May 22, 2015

Albion said:
They do resent that, although these rich people pay the vast majority of the income taxes while the poor pay none of it and instead get money sent to them. But we also know that many, many people simply think that if the rich have more than they do, most of it should be distributed to everyone else.

Morally right that the rich give ON THEIR OWN. That's quite a different matter from the government confiscating it and giving it out to other people.

It seems to me like a lot of people resent the poor getting help! Some people working two or more jobs just to get by but the mindset of a lot of people comes across to me as they don't care. And some wonder why people are turned off by religion. All some people hear is those that talk about religion, talk about the Bible, talk about what's right and what's wrong, talk about God's love. If more people would SHOW Christianity (God's love if there is a God) then maybe more people would believe in God's love. But to hear people for any reason talk about why the poor, the middle class, seniors, veterans, why they should not get any help from the government does not show God's love regardless of the reason. If people are left to give on their own just as in the case of the rich man not caring about the poor that is exactly the way it would be now with more people poor or needing help they can't get. And who is "they" they do resent the wealthy having their money honestly if they paid their fair share in taxes? I am sure some people resent anyone having anything but I can't know who they are (unless they state they resent it) since I don't know their heart, their mind, their true intentions. If there is a God I am sure He knows.

Albion · May 22, 2015

OldFashionGal said:
It seems to me like a lot of people resent the poor getting help!

Well, there you have it.

Some people resent the poor getting help (although I've never met anyone who actually does; mostly, the critics are complaining about people who could help themselves but prefer to live off of the government welfare system instead)...and then some other people think that if another person is richer, the first one has some human right to take it.

OldFashionGal · May 22, 2015

Albion said:
Well, there you have it. Some people resent the poor getting help (although I've never met anyone who actually does; mostly, the critics are complaining about people who could help themselves but prefer to live off of the government welfare system instead)...and then some other people think that if another person is richer, the first one has some human right to take it.

I know it's a entirely different issue those that can work and can't! But I have heard many complaints from those that don't want help for anyone. I will give you just one example since so many seniors that have paid in and have worked their life for what they have. While I don't remember which Republican said it he made it clear he wanted to do away with medicare. His made it clear he would stop talking about medicare "when there is no medicare" and it's not someone in the news media that said it but that came from the Republican himself. I heard him say it! I have heard others say similar comments. Wanting to cut the pitiful COLA that is already pitifully low and went 2 years with none and yet many on both sides were ready to cut it. All you have to do is listen to know it's not just those that can work and don't that they do not want any help for.

I have a lot of physical problems so it's hard for me to write what I have heard and what I know is in my little brain. But I plainly remember the town hall meeting with the person in a wheel chair and someone shaking their fists in his face and it had something to do with helping people. Wanting cuts to seniors and veterans speaks a lot to me about what kind of person they are in terms of helping others. I wish I had kept a log of every time I heard someone say something against helping others that definitely could not help their self. It would be quite enlightening.

Adding that by the way, I've never met anyone or heard anyone that said they were against those that are wealthy other than they just wanted them to pay their share of taxes, too.

Albion · May 22, 2015

OldFashionGal said:
I know it's a entirely different issue those that can work and can't! But I have heard many complaints from those that don't want help for anyone. I will give you just one example since so many seniors that have paid in and have worked their life for what they have. While I don't remember which Republican said it he made it clear he wanted to do away with medicare. His made it clear he would stop talking about medicare "when there is no medicare" and it's not someone in the news media that said it but that came from the Republican himself. I heard him say it! I have heard others say similar comments. Wanting to cut the pitiful COLA that is already pitifully low and went 2 years with none and yet many on both sides were ready to cut it. All you have to do is listen to know it's not just those that can work and don't that they do not want any help for.

Well, I see that we've now boiled this supposedly widespread problem down to a single unnamed Republican. That may be emblematic of why I'm somewhat skeptical of such generalizations. In addition, wanting changes in any federal program--and they are all a mess, if truth be told--is not the same as wanting to deprive the current beneficiaries of all assistance.

OldFashionGal · May 22, 2015

Albion said:
Well, I see that we've now boiled this supposedly widespread problem down to a single unnamed Republican. That may be emblematic of why I'm somewhat skeptical of such generalizations. In addition, wanting changes in any federal program--and they are all a mess, if truth be told--is not the same as wanting to deprive the current beneficiaries of all assistance.

Well, as usual SEEMS someone wants to try to take out of context what I was pointing out as i plainly said I was giving only one example and plainly also wrote "I have heard others say similar comments" but SEEMS to me you took it as I am going by only one Republican. Just as I wrote I have heard others. But even if I can't remember them all and quote everything and everyone I've heard if there is a God He knows. It is why after being a Republican all my life which is a very long time (guess that might surprise you) why I am no longer one!

Albion · May 22, 2015

OldFashionGal said:
Well, as usual SEEMS someone wants to try to take out of context what I was pointing out as i plainly said I was giving only one example and plainly also wrote "I have heard others say similar comments" but SEEMS to me you took it as I am going by only one Republican.

Just a minute. If you don't present us with any reason to think your opinion about what people think of the poor is based upon more than what you gave us, the objective reader can only conclude what I did.

OldFashionGal · May 22, 2015

Albion said:
Just a minute. If you don't present us with any reason to think your opinion about what people think of the poor is based upon more than what you gave us, the objective reader can only conclude what I did.

Here's the thing. ANYONE with their eyes open, and their hearts open, and really wants to speak out about something wrong regardless of which party it is because there is a lot wrong in both parties, they will see, they will hear what I am talking about. Sure, some people will draw conclusions with only what is written but anyone that really wants help for those in this world that can't help their self, really help for the poor that is unable to work, OR that is working but don't make enough money to take care of basic necessities they can learn the same information I have. I have been on this earth long enough, and seen enough, long enough to know if anyone else wants to they can find out and see the same things I have. Even if they want to draw a different conclution! Easy to close our eyes to what we don't want to know. I rather stay out of politics and religious discussions LOL but if there is a something I am for then sometimes I jump in it LOL wishing I hadn't

Albion · May 22, 2015

OldFashionGal said:
Here's the thing. ANYONE with their eyes open, and their hearts open, and really wants to speak out about something wrong regardless of which party it is because there is a lot wrong in both parties, they will see, they will hear what I am talking about.

Sounds exactly like that generalization stuff that you were upset with me for mentioning before.

Sure, some people will draw conclusions with only what is written but anyone that really wants help for those in this world that can't help their self, really help for the poor that is unable to work, OR that is working but don't make enough money to take care of basic necessities they can learn the same information I have.

Perhaps the slip-up in your thinking is that you have given all the blame for a ruined economy to there not being enough welfare (and/or to "some" people who don't agree with you about the matter), when it's really the policies of the administration that have kept people unemployed or underemployed for so long.

OldFashionGal · May 22, 2015

Albion said:
Sounds exactly like that generalization stuff that you were upset with me for mentioning before.

Perhaps the slip-up in your thinking is that you have given all the blame for a ruined economy to there not being enough welfare (and/or to "some" people who don't agree with you about the matter), when it's really the policies of the administration that have kept people unemployed or underemployed for so long.

Here is another difference. When I reply to you I put it SEEMS to be careful to not judge you wrongly. When I use to go to church a very good preacher taught me to use that word seems to keep from being wrong about something when I was wrong about something so unless I am sure about something it's the word I try to remember to use. You didn't say it seems I.... but rather you stated regarding my thinking is that "you have given all the blame for a ruined economy to there not being enough welfare (and/or to "some" people who don't agree with you about the matter), when it's really the policies of the administration that have kept people unemployed or underemployed for so long." when I said nothing about any policies regarding the unemployed" and rather was writing about people needing help (which can also include the unemployed) but my comments while probably not specific enough when talking about those that can't work as I did make it clear those that can work and don't is a different issue and I never really did get into specifics about that. Since I am having a hard time conveying to you what I am trying to write I am done with this. NOT because I would not love to debate why I feel the way I do but because obviously I am not intellectual enough to have the discussion for you to understand what I am saying without SEEMING to take out of context what I am trying to say. I have almost died twice in my life once from birth the other in recent years and there is important issues to me that yes I feel right on when it comes to helping those that can't work and if there is a God he can judge who those people are! And in the end again if there is a God He certainly will be the one to know why He says depart to those that did to Him what they did to the least. Now, if I am wrong that you were not stating directly that I was blaming a ruined economy to there not being enough welfare then I do apologize! You have no idea of my views on unemployment when it comes to that issue by itself. I gave my opinions on taxing the wealthy, helping those that can't help their self OR that work and don't make enough money to buy the necessities.

Albion · May 22, 2015

OldFashionGal said:
but rather you stated regarding my thinking is that "you have given all the blame for a ruined economy to there not being enough welfare (and/or to "some" people who don't agree with you about the matter), when it's really the policies of the administration that have kept people unemployed or underemployed for so long." when I said nothing about any policies regarding the unemployed"

Perhaps you just read that too fast. I didn't say that you had commented on the bolded part. On the contrary, I suggested that you perhaps SHOULD HAVE done so, since this is more to blame for the lack of jobs and a lowered standard of living than what you actually were pointing at.

OldFashionGal · May 22, 2015

Albion said:
Perhaps you just read that too fast. I didn't say that you had commented on the bolded part. On the contrary, I suggested that you perhaps SHOULD HAVE done so, since this is more to blame for the lack of jobs and a lowered standard of living than what you actually were pointing at.

Ok, then I apologize again! I do have vision problems as well as many physical problems that creates a lot of brain fog but in my heart and in my brain I know what I believe. I just have a hard time saying it. I didn't put my views on unemployment because I do believe those that can work should BUT I can't judge their hearts to always know who they are. I can't say if they are not looking for work in case they are I would be falsely judging them. I do believe a lot of our jobs are over seas and why there is not more here. I am just not intelligent enough to get into specifics on that. If someone can work and is not finding a job then hopefully there is churches or family or friends to help but when they can not get work and they need help them I have no problem with food stamps, etc. to those that are trying to do better but again I can't say who deserves them as I can't know those that are really trying to find work and those that aren't

Now, I am gone because I do have a few things to do LOL Have a good day.

Sir Robbins · May 22, 2015

I have had months of training, product knowledge, seniority with the company and sales experience to be in the position I am in. I am paid $14 an hour right now. It would blow me up to be less than level with someone at McDonald's. I started at $9.50/hour and in 2 years managed to get a lot more by position swapping. $15 would cause a HUGE problem for the middle class.

MoreCoffee · May 22, 2015

Sir Robbins said:
I have had months of training, product knowledge, seniority with the company and sales experience to be in the position I am in. I am paid $14 an hour right now. It would blow me up to be less than level with someone at McDonald's. I started at $9.50/hour and in 2 years managed to get a lot more by position swapping. $15 would cause a HUGE problem for the middle class.

I presume that you also receive incentive payments for each item you sell and wouldn't that raise your weekly pay above $600/week?

Your post's argument appears to be one of comparison - the poor do not deserve $15/hour if I started at $9.50/hour and had to work my way up to a retainer of $14/hour! How dare they get as much or more than I do for my retainer! It's an outrage! Of course arguments like that are far from valid as a reason to keep the poor in their poverty.

Sir Robbins · May 22, 2015

MoreCoffee said:
I presume that you also receive incentive payments for each item you sell and wouldn't that raise your weekly pay above $600/week?

Your post's argument appears to be one of comparison - the poor do not deserve $15/hour if I started at $9.50/hour and had to work my way up to a retainer of $14/hour! How dare they get as much or more than I do for my retainer! It's an outrage! Of course arguments like that are far from valid as a reason to keep the poor in their poverty.

There is a difference between being poor and being in poverty. Sadly, America does not see this as true. They claim someone making $25K a year to be in poverty which blows me away. I live on my own in a very nice condo, have a $280 car payment, afford groceries just fine, shopping here and there and so on with around $28K a year. I do NOT get commission sadly. I do not feel poor, I feel quite well off to be honest. I just don't believe in high pay for under skilled people. The company I work for used to pay my position $22 an hour until the market collapse of 2008. A lot of companies did for that matter. It would be sad if everyone started getting more for less although it sounds nice. It would not do any good for motivated people, leaving more to strive for less and the end result? More reliability on the government which is something I am heavily against. Just my views on it all. Not mad at anyone except the government themselves.

MoreCoffee · May 22, 2015

Sir Robbins said:
There is a difference between being poor and being in poverty. Sadly, America does not see this as true. They claim someone making $25K a year to be in poverty which blows me away. I live on my own in a very nice condo, have a $280 car payment, afford groceries just fine, shopping here and there and so on with around $28K a year. I do NOT get commission sadly. I do not feel poor, I feel quite well off to be honest. I just don't believe in high pay for under skilled people. The company I work for used to pay my position $22 an hour until the market collapse of 2008. A lot of companies did for that matter. It would be sad if everyone started getting more for less although it sounds nice. It would not do any good for motivated people, leaving more to strive for less and the end result? More reliability on the government which is something I am heavily against. Just my views on it all. Not mad at anyone except the government themselves.

Do you live in Los Angeles?

Sir Robbins · May 22, 2015

MoreCoffee said:
Do you live in Los Angeles?

No. I live in Orlando, Florida. Before that, Atlanta, Georgia and before that, Norway in the middle of nowhere

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