Biden lies about the President. Multiple times

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Democratic frontrunner Joe Biden on Wednesday claimed President Donald Trump asserted that immigrants would "carve you up with a knife," but Biden took Trump's words out of context and didn't mention he was referring to the murderous MS-13 gang.

Biden Takes Trump's Comments on MS-13 Out of Context

Think he will retract?
 

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Democratic frontrunner Joe Biden on Wednesday claimed President Donald Trump asserted that immigrants would "carve you up with a knife," but Biden took Trump's words out of context and didn't mention he was referring to the murderous MS-13 gang.

Biden Takes Trump's Comments on MS-13 Out of Context

Think he will retract?
Nope and some media outlets will continue to run his comment as if he were correct.
 
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Democratic frontrunner Joe Biden on Wednesday claimed President Donald Trump asserted that immigrants would "carve you up with a knife," but Biden took Trump's words out of context and didn't mention he was referring to the murderous MS-13 gang.

Biden Takes Trump's Comments on MS-13 Out of Context

Think he will retract?

You wouldn't care if he did anyways. Let's not pretend you care about facts or retractions about people you dislike when you've shown you have no standard for people you support. These games are stupid.
 
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Well, I can certainly understand why Biden thought Donald'd asserted that immigrants would quote, ‘carve you up with a knife’" since that sounds exactly like the kind of thing Donald would say. Donald's made up so many outrageous things, lied so boldly & blatantly, that it can be hard to keep track of what he has & hasn't said.

Still it was wrong for Biden to have said, even though it was off the hip.

Kinda think that this thread is doing what Biden's been accused of doing by not putting things into context & instead dramatically claiming that Biden "lied" about Donald.

At a campaign stop in Iowa, former Vice President Joe Biden laid into President Donald Trump for stirring up the worst in Americans.

Presidents "can encourage us to appeal to our better angels, our better nature," Biden said Aug. 7. "They can also unleash the deepest, darkest forces in the nation. That is what I believe Donald Trump has chosen to do."

"Days before the midterm," Biden continued, "He fomented fears of a caravan headed to the United States and created hysteria when he said, ‘Look, look at what's marching up. This is an invasion.’ He asserted that immigrants would quote, ‘carve you up with a knife’."

Trump regularly speaks of an invasion. He has mentioned it at many rallies, including one in Michigan in March and another in Florida in May. He said then, "When you see these caravans, starting out with 20,000 people, that's an invasion." He has used the word in seven tweets since July 2015 to refer to immigrants more broadly, according to Factba.se.

But this fact-check focuses on whether Trump warned that immigrants will "carve you up with a knife."

He did not.

Politifact did not rule all of Biden's comments as false.

Our ruling
Biden said that Trump "asserted that immigrants would quote, ‘carve you up with a knife’."

Trump was talking about MS-13 gang members.

We rate this claim False.

Joe Biden twists Donald Trump’s words about gang members
 
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Democratic frontrunner Joe Biden on Wednesday claimed President Donald Trump asserted that immigrants would "carve you up with a knife," but Biden took Trump's words out of context and didn't mention he was referring to the murderous MS-13 gang.

Biden Takes Trump's Comments on MS-13 Out of Context

Think he will retract?


Hi hislegacy,

I'm down with this. Ok, that's one for Biden. Let's keep a tally. Biggest liar loses.

BTW, according to the article Trump did say it, but he said it about gangs specifically. Biden then said that Trump was referring to 'immigrants'. If any of the gang members are immigrants, then Biden was right, but he didn't specify the particular group of immigrants.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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I'm down with this. Ok, that's one for Biden. Let's keep a tally. Biggest liar loses.

Hi mt,

I have six children. I never tallied who lied more, either they are honest, or they are not.

Another persons weakness doesn’t make yours greater or smaller.

And blaming another for your actions is just disingenuous. “At least I am not as bad as....” doesn’t excuse the actions. Even if it is the President.

I’m using the same measure on Biden that many are using for the President. The statement would be advertised as a lie so it’s a lie.
 
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Hi mt,

I have six children. I never tallied who lied more, either they are honest, or they are not.

Another persons weakness doesn’t make yours greater or smaller.

And blaming another for your actions is just disingenuous. “At least I am not as bad as....” doesn’t excuse the actions. Even if it is the President.

I’m using the same measure on Biden that many are using for the President. The statement would be advertised as a lie so it’s a lie.

Hi HL,

Got it. If it doesn't make any difference to you as to who lied more, but you're pointing out that Biden lied and wondering if he will retract, then why don't I see a bunch of threads by you about lies that President Trump has said and questioning whether he will retract. Is this not a case of what is good for the goose is not good for the gander?

You say that you're using the same measure for Biden that others are using for President Trump. Why don't you just use the same standard for both and be done with it and let others use whatever standard they would like to use. However, the fact that I don't see any threads started by you calling on President Trump to retract a lie here and there actually belies that statement. If you were actually using the same measure, then you'd do the same thing for both men, whenever this came up.

Obviously, since there is this article about his not being honest in this context, others have pointed out Biden's untruth just as other articles have pointed out President Trump's untruths. I'm not sure that I see your point, except that maybe you are expecting all those people that have gotten on the wagon of Trump's over 1,000 untruths, well, they should be getting on the wagon over Biden's one, so far, untruth.

If that's the case, then I wouldn't be holding my breath. However, if Biden begins to lie as a regular and constant part of his discussions and dialogues with others, then I imagine you'll see the same people that are all over President Trump also be all over Biden. None of us are perfect and so we're often willing to let one or two mistakes slide. However, when those mistakes become near daily and certainly weekly occurrences over a three or four year span, I imagine you're going to hear a lot of the same people that you hear now get on their case also, just as they have been doing with President Trump.

Of course, I expect that you have a different take on all of this. I imagine that your position is that it's those Democrats that aren't being fair to us Republicans. It's all about that division, isn't it?

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Got it. If it doesn't make any difference to you as to who lied more, but you're pointing out that Biden lied and wondering if he will retract, then why don't I see a bunch of threads by you about lies that President Trump has said and questioning whether he will retract. Is this not a case of what is good for the goose is not good for the gander?

Hi mt,

I'll be happy to follow your lead - please point me to one thread you opened on any lies from the left.

And you will note - this thread isn't about me - no matter how desperately you would like it to be - nor is it about the President.

What would you like to add to the topic of the thread

Prov 10:19
 
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Hi mt,

I'll be happy to follow your lead - please point me to one thread you opened on any lies from the left.

And you will note - this thread isn't about me - no matter how desperately you would like it to be - nor is it about the President.

What would you like to add to the topic of the thread

Prov 10:19

Hi HL,

I didn't hear Biden make the claim. I didn't watch the Democratic debates, if that's where he made the claim. I also haven't started listening to all of the usual noise about what the candidates are doing. On the other hand, I do listen to President Trump a lot of times when he speaks and it's difficult to watch any news channel these days that isn't covering some of the things that he says.

I say all that just to say that I'm not likely to start listening to all of this campaign stuff for a bit yet and other than what I read in the news, I don't really have anything to offer concerning untruths that are being said by some of the candidates. I contend that the reason you're feeling so overwhelmed by all the rhetoric out there about President Trump's words is because he just so often jseems to make stuff up off the cuff as he speaks, and quite a lot of it seems to be wrong.

I get it that you don't agree, but honestly, if you're really waiting on me to start some threads about things that the candidates are saying, that's likely not going to happen anytime soon. However, the president is the president. When he speaks most people listen because he is the president. When a candidate, at this early point, speaks, well, he's just a candidate and at this point may not even be standing when we get to the final race. So listening to all of them isn't something that I'm ready to do yet.

Finally, I've said this many times before, I don't care for the kind of person that Donald Trump is. In a lot of my issues with Donald Trump, it isn't so much about his policies, although I do believe that the man generally has very little real knowledge of the things that he speaks about, it is about the kind of person that he is. That he seems perfectly happy and satisfied to just denigrate everyone. Friend look, I don't know how long you've been involved in politics or listened to presidents over the last 50 years, but no national leader has ever talked about others the way that he does. And as far as I'm concerned it's because his mother didn't raise him right. Calling people names just isn't the way I expect leaders of my country to act.

He seems to just constantly gloat over his great wealth. Wealthy people just generally don't do that. Now that's not to say that no one ever has, but most wealthy people consider it rather gauche to brag about wealth.

Yes, he seems to have absolutely no qualms in just making up facts and figures. He even admitted that he did that in a conversation with the Canadian Prime Minister. His press secretary also admitted that there were times that such things were just made up. Who does that, except snake oil salesmen?

So, you're free to support the man and vote for the man and stand up and whoop and holler at his appearances and even wear your MAGA hat. I'm not going to be bothered by that much. But, please understand that I'm never going to support any person who acts and talks like Donald Trump as my president.

I want a leader. Someone who can be trusted to tell me the truth at least most of the time. Someone who understands that everyone, even your enemies deserve to be treated with respect in their address. Someone who is able to work with others to accomplish shared goals.

I don't want someone who can't be trusted, by his own admission, to tell the truth at least most of the time. I don't want the leader of the nation that I'm fairly proud of being a part of, to be a bully, a war monger, or to disrespect others by calling them names. If I disagree with someone, that's ok. But to stoop down to calling them some sort of derogatory name because I don't agree with them, well for me, that isn't ok. I find it sad that so many people do seem to find it ok.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Hi mt,

I have six children. I never tallied who lied more, either they are honest, or they are not.

Another persons weakness doesn’t make yours greater or smaller.

And blaming another for your actions is just disingenuous. “At least I am not as bad as....” doesn’t excuse the actions. Even if it is the President.

I’m using the same measure on Biden that many are using for the President. The statement would be advertised as a lie so it’s a lie.
A lie is a lie. 12000 lies is not one lie though. That's basic math.

A lie is not a behaviour pattern. 12000 lies is.
A lie is not an indication of complete untrustworthiness. 12000 lies is.
 
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Good that Biden’s supporters support him as strongly as Trumps do.

But he still lied.

I wouldn't characterize myself as a "Biden supporter." I certainly think he's an exponentially more honest man, that he's far more dignified, patriotic, smarter & better qualified than Donald, but I'd say that about a whole lot of other folks as well.

No, Biden did not lie. In fact I think it's not only uncharitable but dishonest to claim that he did. Something can be false without it being a lie. What makes it a lie is the intent to deceive, which considering the context of Biden's statement & the fact that Donald did indeed say something very similar, I don't think it's fair at all to say that it was. It's in sharp contrast to Donald's deliberate, repeated & oftentimes malicious lies. I realize it wasn't your intent, but you're the one who has put Donald into the poorer light by holding up Biden for a contrast on honesty.
 
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Hi mt,

Just an FYI. I typically don’t read posts that need more than 100 words to make a point.

Prov 10:19

I've read posts of yours that use more than 100 words to make a point. It's possible you'd copied and pasted them instead of putting the thought into original words, but still, they're long. His post may have been to you but you're not the only one it's for, it's for all of us to read. I personally am grateful for the folks who actually put in the effort to contribute original, thoughtful posts. Ted, Stanfordella's posts, their posts tend to be long & packed full of insight. If they're willing to write it, I'm willing to read it. If I lack the time at that moment, I save it.

If I see a post by somebody other than those 2, that's just long & rambling, I apply Proverbs 10:19 myself. I prudently skip over the post instead of complaining about the length.

Not everything can be explained in the length of a Tweet. I think that's another degradation of society that folks aren't willing to invest in learning about something if it's longer than the length of a tweet.
 
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