Freedom from religion.

[thecolorsblend]

I have steak.

Yes but my Church had steak centuries before yours was even created, huzzah!

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Many denominations today are also missing the boat. Its seen on these forums when people argue about man made traditions instead of lovingly discussing what God really gave us.

Unfortunately you have a good point, I have to concur.

 

[R. Hartono]

So I'll finish this post by typing "big juicy steak".

I finish this hoping that big juicy steak at the Supper of the Lamb

 

[Kenny'sID]

Im not part of religion. Im part of Christ.

Actually, no, if you are part of Christ/are a christian that is your religion.

Its the term you use just like many others do, that confuse the issue. I mean I know it's stylish is to say things like "I love God but hate religion" but it can be confusing as all get out, and it really is improper terminology.

Anyway, no biggie, again, you aren't the first to do it, but maybe we should be discussing what specifically you don't like about how others run their religion. I know you mentioned a few categories, but how bout some details?

Of course I only read the first page so maybe you did get into detail.

 

[☦Marius☦]

It is kind of a Christianity For Hipsters thing to say. Like, remember when the emergents were saying pretentious nonsense like "Oh, this isn't a new denomination, it's a conversation!"

Ugh...

Our Lord is the visible head of the Church?

Golly...

I mean I wake up and see Christ everyday on my wall... as a represented Icon... but protestants don't have that so HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

 

[W2L]

"And let us be concerned about one another in order to promote love and good works, not staying away from our [worship] meetings, as some habitually do, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day drawing near. Hebrews 10:19-25"

"And he himself gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 16 From him the whole body grows, fitted and held together through every supporting ligament. As each one does its part, the body builds itself up in love." Ephesians 4:11-16

"So confess your sins to one another and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great effectiveness." James 5:16

"All who believed were together and held everything in common, 46 Every day they continued to gather together by common consent in the temple courts, breaking bread from house to house, sharing their food with glad and humble hearts" Acts 2:44-46

"What should you do then, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each one has a song, has a lesson, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all these things be done for the strengthening of the church." 1 Corinthians 14:26

"For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” Matthew 18:20

"Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you." Hebrews 13:17

I assemble here everyday and find fellowship, exhortation, edification, scripture, and prayer. I have grown more from CF than i ever would have at a church, only attending once a week and listening to some guy teach his denominations "version" of the truth. Not to mention that teachers are for babes in christ, and we are exhorted to be men not children. Heck with that, i can find the truth just as easily as the next guy. I keep things simple because that's what God gave us.

About having apostles, yes i have apostles and teachers, they are the scriptures.

 

[dzheremi]

Its snobbery in my opinion. People believing they are too good to be one of those "fools" submitting to another's authority.

Eh. Maybe.

I find it at least a little curious that there is such a hatred for this specific word among Christians, of all people.

Hopefully this will show up (it's not a publicly listed video), but here is a video from the Coptic Orthodox youth, reading a poem that was written in the wake of the bombing of the Saints' Church (el Qiddiseen) on New Year's day in Alexandria in 2011. The English translation of its main phrase is off, but in the original Arabic (amout b'samout 'ala deen) it means "I'll die...but I'll die in my religion" (deen is "religion"; "faith" is iman, which is not the word used there):

It is about their willingness to be martyred for their religion. I would submit to this thread that for two millennia and counting, there has been scarcely a more Christian sentiment that can be voiced, particularly in their circumstances in North Africa in the wake of so many deadly attacks where exactly that happens.

(I don't know for sure, but I imagine if you went to Egypt and told people there that you hate religion, the Muslims would take it as confirmation that Christians don't really have any real beliefs, and the Christians would look at you like you're saying you're an atheist. I think this attitude towards one's own religion and hatred for its "organized" forms is pretty much a privileged western phenomenon, and a weird one at that.)

 

[☦Marius☦]

I assemble here everyday and find fellowship, exhortation, edification, scripture, and prayer. I have grown more from CF than i ever would have at a church, only attending once a week and listening to some guy teach his denominations "version" of the truth. Not to mention that teachers are for babes in christ, and we are exhorted to be men not children. Heck with that, i can find the truth just as easily as the next guy. I keep things simple because that's what God gave us.

About having apostles, yes i have apostles and teachers, they are the scriptures.

You forget about taking communion together. It wasn't a suggestion. And are you worshiping with us here?

 

[W2L]

Actually, no, if you are part of Christ/are a christian that is your religion.

Its the term you use just like many others do, that confuse the issue. I mean I know it's stylish is to say things like "I love God but hate religion" but it can be confusing as all get out, and it really is improper terminology.

Anyway, no biggie, again, you aren't the first to do it, but maybe we should be discussing what specifically you don't like about how others run their religion. I know you mentioned a few categories, but how bout some details?

Of course I only read the first page so maybe you did get into detail.

As bugkiller said earlier, im referring to organized religion.

 

[Kenny'sID]

As bugkiller said earlier, im referring to organized religion.

I see, so no particular doctrine discrepancy?

 

[TuxAme]

OK, I lied. I just thought things couldn't possibly get any worse.

 

[W2L]

[QUOTE="Kenny'sID, post: 72589993, member: 385191"

but maybe we should be discussing what specifically you don't like about how others run their religion. I know you mentioned a few categories, but how bout some details?

Of course I only read the first page so maybe you did get into detail.

I mentioned that religion has created man made doctrines that dont actually serve God. They only promote strife and division over unnecessary things like praying to mary for example. This is unnecessary and is causing division. Its man made and thats the problem. I see many such things that cause division, and i reject them.

 

[W2L]

You forget about taking communion together. It wasn't a suggestion. And are you worshiping with us here?

You worry about taking your communion and i'll worry about mine. No reason to debate it.

 

[W2L]

I see, so no particular doctrine discrepancy?

Freedom from religion.

 

[bugkiller]

No you have a religion. It's the religion where every man is his own pope. Where every individual is infallible in his own interpretation. You declaim the Papacy, but argue that you can directly interpret scripture yourself. Isn't that exactly what Catholics argue the Pope can do? At least they still rely on Councils as well, and have a school of Cardinals that constantly debate.

You follow and do obeisance to a man and I will do my utmost to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.

bugkiller

 

[dzheremi]

Maybe there's something I'm not understanding, but it seems implicit in the concept of communion itself that you be in communion with some wider body than just yourself. Hence, if you aren't a member of a particular congregation, you can't really be "take communion".

NB: κοινωνία (koinonia), the Greek word for communion, also means "society" or "community" (among other things, I gather). You can't really have a society or a community made up of just yourself.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Freedom from religion.

I got that is it was traditions overall, but I was talking details, what particular traditions are you disagreeing with?

 

[☦Marius☦]

You follow and do obeisance to a man and I will do my utmost to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.

bugkiller

Well I'm not Roman Catholic, so I don't follow the Pope. I follow Church councils which are the historical coming together of a MULTITUDE of Christians to decide doctrine.

 

[W2L]

I got that is it was traditions overall, but I was talking details, what particular traditions are you disagreeing with?

Venerating and praying to saints, the papacy, succession of apostles, these would be the bulk of it i suppose.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

It's not my interpretation, it's fact (keep reading long enough for me to explain).

You don't even have to believe that the Catholic Church is correct. You just have to understand that the Pope is the visible head of this Church (with Jesus being the "invisible" head), and that this Church (as the name implies) practices a religion. That's all I'm conveying in that comment.

Sure the pope may be the visible head of your Church, but he's not recognized in the same way by mine, well let's just say his office is recognized as just the opposite of what your Church claims. So you have the interpretation of your Church and I mine, since we like to put things in those terms.