Who Is Jesus?

[Aimz]

I pray to God the Father through the intercession of Jesus Christ the eternal Son of God and enabled by the Holy Spirit the witness of God.

Well, I pray to one God, not three.

 

[Aaron Rich]

Perhaps it will help you to settle this matter by looking into the original language?

The name our Messiah was given by His mother, as it was spoken by those that actually knew Him, would have been "Yeshua".

So take a look at Isaiah 12:2 "Behold, God is my [Yeshua]; I will trust, and will not be afraid; for the LORD God is my strength and my song, and He has become my [Yeshua]." Note - "LORD" above is God's formal name making it no question that we are discussing the Father in this passage.

For those of you that love to tell people that the first time our Savior was spoken of by name was was in the "New Testament," I have news for you. He was mentioned by name starting in Genesis 49:18 and His name is mentioned a curious number of times in the "Old Testament" - 77 times. If you search out this word Yeshua throughout the Scriptures you will see a definite pattern where it is referencing God the Father as Yeshua is some form or fashion.

Note - Not all occurrences of "Salvation" has the name of Yeshua as the original word. Psalm 62:6-7 is a great example. The word "Salvation" in verse 6 is Yeshua. The occurrence in verse 7, however, is a different word.

The same curiosity goes for Grace, baptism, Holy Spirit, etc. etc. -- It all originates in the Old Testament. It's a fun read when you start digging!

 

[Aimz]

And in His wisdom He usually does what we least expect because He has the whole picture and we have a pixel of it. I wonder if He facepalms over us a lot.

God could do whatever he wanted for whatever reason he had.

 

[Aimz]

I am glad you posted this because I am sure it will help others along the way.

It goes beyond my simple mind and simple faith. I am working my sanctification out in fear and trembling at my own pace which is all I am enabled by the Holy Spirit to do.

This doctrine (Hypostatic Union) was promulgated at the Council of Chalcedon 451AD.
This was necessary, precisely because it is not proven by scriptural texts alone. That's why alternative interpretations abounded. e.g. Eutychianism, Appollinarianism, Nestorianism, Monophysitism, Dyophysitism & Miaphysitism.
These alternative popular interpretations were adjudged "heresies" solely on the apostolic authority of Catholic Bishops Councils.
If you don't accept the Apostolic-Succesion (& authority) of Catholic bishops there is no need, and no logic, to adopt their judgements on such doctrines.
And indeed that's why "Me-&-my-Bible"-Christians must eventually & logically revisit all these heresies.
And, without Apostolic authority, the only answers to these questions are
(1) 30,000 Protestant denominations. or
(2)An "It doesn't really matter what we believe" attitude.

 

[bbbear2002]

Adam begat Eve, Adam is a human, and Eve is a human, but Adam and Eve are not two men, but one flesh.
The Heavenly Father beget Lord Jesus Christ in eternity. The Father is God, and Lord Jesus is God, but the Father and Lord Jesus Christ are not two Gods, but one God.
The Father is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of every man, man is the head of woman.

 

[lsume]

There are those, like me, who believe Jesus is God in flesh. Others believe he is the Son of God, a separate being.

This scripture would seem to suggest that I am right:

"Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and his name shall be called Emmanuel"
(which means, God with us). Matt 1:23 RSV

However, I suspect there is biblical evidence that I am wrong.

What do you think?

Jesus The Christ and God The Father and God The Holy Spirit are all unique but one in Spirit. Christ referees to God The Father often throughout God's Word. Perhaps if you read in the KJV Revelations 2:27-29 and seek The Lord God The Father with all of your heart, mind, soul and strength, you will experience what Christ experienced.

 

[Sibyl]

Adam begat Eve, Adam is a human, and Eve is a human, but Adam and Eve are not two men, but one flesh.
The Heavenly Father beget Lord Jesus Christ in eternity. The Father is God, and Lord Jesus is God, but the Father and Lord Jesus Christ are not two Gods, but one God.
The Father is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of every man, man is the head of woman.

And women are chattel.

Adam begat Eve, Adam is a human, and Eve is a human, but Adam and Eve are not two men, but one flesh.
The Heavenly Father beget Lord Jesus Christ in eternity. The Father is God, and Lord Jesus is God, but the Father and Lord Jesus Christ are not two Gods, but one God.
The Father is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of every man, man is the head of woman.

 

[Sibyl]

I am glad you posted this because I am sure it will help others along the way.

It goes beyond my simple mind and simple faith. I am working my sanctification out in fear and trembling at my own pace which is all I am enabled by the Holy Spirit to do.

Jesus message is Love and Forgiveness not Fear and Punishment.
Stop listening to the church and listen to Jesus.
Sibyl.

 

[Aimz]

Philippians 2 I am listening to Jesus.

Jesus message is Love and Forgiveness not Fear and Punishment.
Stop listening to the church and listen to Jesus.
Sibyl.

 

[rrobsr]

There are those, like me, who believe Jesus is God in flesh. Others believe he is the Son of God, a separate being.

This scripture would seem to suggest that I am right:

"Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and his name shall be called Emmanuel"
(which means, God with us). Matt 1:23 RSV

However, I suspect there is biblical evidence that I am wrong.

What do you think?

Being from Southern California, I know a lot of Mexicans named Jesus and a few Emmanuels. None of them are God nor my savior.

 

[W2L]

Being from Southern California, I know a lot of Mexicans named Jesus and a few Emmanuels. None of them are God nor my savior.

Jesus isnt the Lords name anyway. Its a mistranslation.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Philippians 2 I am listening to Jesus.

Yes, and sin took Him all the way to the Cross; He was obedient unto death. Yes, Philippians 2 is a humbling, wonderful passage.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I pray to God the Father through the intercession of Jesus Christ the eternal Son of God and enabled by the Holy Spirit the witness of God.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit are definitely a glorious Biblical doctrine. Hebrews 7.25 says the Lord Jesus 'ever lives to make intercession' for His people.

 

[dreadnought]

Being from Southern California, I know a lot of Mexicans named Jesus and a few Emmanuels. None of them are God nor my savior.

Probably not.

 

[dreadnought]

It does occur to me that Jesus had a mission to accomplish, to bring us to the Father. If he accomplished that mission, all is well. We can argue till the cows come home exactly who Jesus was.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I am glad you posted this because I am sure it will help others along the way.

It goes beyond my simple mind and simple faith. I am working my sanctification out in fear and trembling at my own pace which is all I am enabled by the Holy Spirit to do.

Whatever anyone says, Scripture is in fact sufficient.

 

[wilts43]

Whatever anyone says, Scripture is in fact sufficient.

(1)Prove that from scripture!
Nowhere does scripture say this. But rather it says "The Church of God is the pillar & ground of truth"
(2)But first prove (From scripture) what should be included in your "scripture".
Since the table of contents is not IN the bible; it is either from Catholic Councils circa 400AD, or Luther circa 1550AD, or Joseph Smith 19th Century adding Book of Mormon.
(3)Without these "Authorities" (To interpret, decide & select) you haven't got what you now call A Bible. (Which is a selective compendium....not a book)

So "The Bible" is demonstrably, logically, biblically & historically NOT sufficient.

It requires a greater authority to discern it, select it & compile it!

Thus Jesus promised to be with his Apostles (& therefore their successor-bishops) until the end of time. (Matt 28:20)

 

[faroukfarouk]

Prove that from scripture

As you will know, Scripture is self-authenticating. Otherwise you will find so called Protestants looking to "the church" in an unsatisfactory attempt to "prove" Scripture.

The Lord Jesus said repeatedly: "It is written".

Hebrews in its doctrine has its roots in Old Testament types and shadows; and shows how the Person and work of Christ is truly "better" than them.

 

[Baby Cottontail]

It all depends on how you interpret those words. You and I read the words and attach different meanings. I've gone to church for many years and the topic never comes up.

That is a reflection on the pastors and that you have had and Christian education that has been offered in the church's you have attended. Some pastors don't teach on the Trinity much at all, if ever. Some don't even believe it themselves. (And I'm not just talking about within the UMC either. I'm talking in general.)

It isn't a topic that comes up a whole lot, unless you are taking an adult Sunday school class on Christian beliefs and doctrine, or unless the subject happens to come up in Bible study or in conversation. Doesn't happen a lot. Either it is assumed that everyone who attends the church believes it, or teaching on it has been devalued in society.

They might not have taught much about it when you went through confirmation class, either. I know that the subject wasn't touched when I went through.

It seems to be a topic people at church tend to avoid.

 

[wilts43]

Jesus message is Love and Forgiveness not Fear and Punishment.
Stop listening to the church and listen to Jesus.
Sibyl.

How do you "listen to Jesus"?
Does He have a hotline to you?

Jesus sent his Apostles out saying "“The one who listens to you listens to Me, and the one who rejects you rejects Me; and he who rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me.”
Jesus didn't write a book, nor command his Apostles to write ......but he founded a Church! (Davidic, Messianic Kingdom) on Peter (Cf Matt 16:18 & Is 22:20-23)
Throughout Acts, the Apostles teach & discipline with authority,
& Matthew quotes Jesus....." If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." (Matt18:17)
If you "listen to Jesus" you will listen to his One, Holy, Catholic & Apostolic Church.

If you read a New Testament, as selected by The Catholic Church, (or by Luther, or by Joseph Smith) and filter out the tough sayings, and prioritise & interpret according to your truth.....who are you "listening to"? Jesus or You?