The Law Stands, it condemns us all.

[bugkiller]

If the law was not hard, then why are we all guilty of sin under the law.

God could NOT have lowered the righteousness standard. God demands justice. God is just.

The Holy Spirit in us and the Word being written on our hearts is why we are able to now obey the law. It is not under our own strength, but God's.

You don't understand much about the free will nature of man.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Romans 2:13-15
13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

James 1:22
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

We've asked and asked for anyone to name such a person that has accomplished this incredible feat.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

And I think it's important to first understand:
What the old covenant is. What the new covenant is. And what the Scriptures tell us will be the difference.
Preferably starting with Jeremiah 31 or Hebrews 8.

First question I would have would be...is the Law (Torah) of God in the New Covenant going to be different than the Perfect, Holy, Righteous, True and Good Law (Torah) referenced throughout the Bible and especially in Jeremiah?

If your answer is yes - you'd have the burden of proof to show where in the texts God points this out and "what Law" will replace the perfect Law of God.

We are quick to throw blanket statements like "the new is better than the old", and "the law will now be written on our hearts" without taking the time to understand what Law is being talked about and all that the passage claims will come to pass.


To put your last statement in perspective...
Jesus had to conquer sin and the "Holy, Perfect, Righteous Law of God/Word of God/Commandments of God" so that we can be saved.

How does that statement make sense?
Why would God give us His Word, His Commandments, His Instructions, His Instruction Manual for believers, His moral code only to have His Son come and do away/nail it to the cross/abolish/destroy it to save us?

Is the problem with the Perfect Law of God?
Or is the problem with our sin and our hardened hearts?

Its very difficult dialoguing with people who don't understand English. BTW this includes people whose first language is English (American English included).

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

When we are tempted to lie, the difficulty is not in the ability to tell the truth, but in the hardness of our heart.

Oh my could one get into real trouble here.

bugkiller

 

[BABerean2]

When we are tempted to lie, the difficulty is not in the ability to tell the truth, but in the hardness of our heart.

Go ahead and tell her... "No. It is your hips that make you look fat."

Then you see some hardening of the heart.



If a man tells you he does not lie, he has just proved he does.

Let God be true and every man a liar...

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[ToBeLoved]

You don't understand much about the free will nature of man.

bugkiller

Why's that? I answered three questions in my reply to another poster.

Which of the answers to which question are you referring to?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Go ahead and tell her... "No. It is your hips that make you look fat."

Then you see some hardening of the heart.



If a man tells you he does not lie, he has just proved he does.

Let God be true and every man a liar...

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And that explains why human beings lie? A hardened heart. What is your definition of a hardened heart, that may help clarify what you are saying.

 

[tzadik]

So how does that prove that the Law was not hard to keep? That is what my question was when you wrote this reply.

Deuteronomy 30:11-14 and 1 John 5:3 tells us that it's not hard to keep.
Plus common sense.
Please show me any commandments that God has given to man that is too hard to keep.

 

[tzadik]

When your wife says... "Honey does this dress make me look fat?"...

Will you lie or tell the truth?

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Haven't had to lie yet. I'll let you know when that day comes.

 

[tzadik]

Can you tell me any one commandment in the Law of God that is "too hard to keep"?

Romans 5:18-20
18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. 19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. 20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased,

My question again was "can you tell me any one commandment in the Law of God that is "too hard to keep"?

 

[ToBeLoved]

And I think it's important to first understand:
What the old covenant is. What the new covenant is. And what the Scriptures tell us will be the difference.
Preferably starting with Jeremiah 31 or Hebrews 8.

First question I would have would be...is the Law (Torah) of God in the New Covenant going to be different than the Perfect, Holy, Righteous, True and Good Law (Torah) referenced throughout the Bible and especially in Jeremiah?

If your answer is yes - you'd have the burden of proof to show where in the texts God points this out and "what Law" will replace the perfect Law of God.

We are quick to throw blanket statements like "the new is better than the old", and "the law will now be written on our hearts" without taking the time to understand what Law is being talked about and all that the passage claims will come to pass.


To put your last statement in perspective...
Jesus had to conquer sin and the "Holy, Perfect, Righteous Law of God/Word of God/Commandments of God" so that we can be saved.

How does that statement make sense?
Why would God give us His Word, His Commandments, His Instructions, His Instruction Manual for believers, His moral code only to have His Son come and do away/nail it to the cross/abolish/destroy it to save us?

Is the problem with the Perfect Law of God?
Or is the problem with our sin and our hardened hearts?

Well, it seems that God Himself, Jesus Christ had the power to give us new Commandments in fulfilling the law. And He did.

So I do not have to defend 'why' Jesus Christ did it, because He did it. And He is God.

Sounds like something that Old Covenant and law people have to deal with. I'm a follower of God and His Word.

 

[ToBeLoved]

When we are tempted to lie, the difficulty is not in the ability to tell the truth, but in the hardness of our heart.

Didn't Jesus write His Word on your heart? Give you the Holy Spirit? Give you the ability to do ALL things through Christ?

He can unharden that heart for you then.

 

[ToBeLoved]

My question again was "can you tell me any one commandment in the Law of God that is "too hard to keep"?

I think you did not read the quote in Romans I listed. Please re-read.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Deuteronomy 30:11-14 and 1 John 5:3 tells us that it's not hard to keep.
Plus common sense.
Please show me any commandments that God has given to man that is too hard to keep.

These two verses do not prove that the law is not hard to keep.

Please try again.

 

[SAAN]

We've asked and asked for anyone to name such a person that has accomplished this incredible feat.

bugkiller

And others have pointed out to show where anyone but Jesus himself was able to do it perfectly. God doesnt expect perfection out of us, he will expect us to strive for it if our hearts truly desire to follow him, but he know we will slip up from time to time as we are imperfect humans, but that is where the blood of Christ covers your sins.


Person A thinks since he cant keep the commands perfectly, not to even bother at all.
Person B tries to keeps the commands, but does fall short and sin since he is human, and repents and strives to do better.

Person B clearly has a heart that is trying to please the father where, Person A just wants to please their own flesh and will just do whatever and not even try.

 

[tzadik]

Well, it seems that God Himself, Jesus Christ had the power to give us new Commandments in fulfilling the law. And He did.

So I do not have to defend 'why' Jesus Christ did it, because He did it. And He is God.

Sounds like something that Old Covenant and law people have to deal with. I'm a follower of God and His Word.

You actually do have to explain it, because Jesus was VERY clear in Matthew 5:17-19 and Luke 16:17 that He did NOT come to do away with the Holy Law of God and that not even one single smudge of ink will pass away from the Law of God until heaven and earth pass and EVERYTHING is accomplished.

Go outside and look up in the sky and tell me if Revelations 21:1 has come to pass yet.
And while you're at it, confirm if the second coming and all the prophecies and everything attached to it have been accomplished.
If the answer is no to any of the above---then Jesus' word stands. Nothing from the law has passed away.

 

[tzadik]

I think you did not read the quote in Romans I listed. Please re-read.

Your Romans verse has nothing to do with my question.
God's law contains commandments and instructions like "do not murder" "take care of your animals" "love your neighbor" "Don't blaspheme God's name"... etc.

My question to you is can you please name 1 commandment or instruction from God that is too hard to keep.

 

[tzadik]

These two verses do not prove that the law is not hard to keep.

Please try again.

If God saying my Law and commandments are not too hard to keep don't answer your question, I will pray for you. All I could do.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Haven't had to lie yet. I'll let you know when that day comes.

Don't worry about telling us, we don't know your heart, let Jesus know.

 

[ToBeLoved]

If God saying my Law and commandments are not too hard to keep don't answer your question, I will pray for you. All I could do.

Those verses did not say what you think they say. You are not using the verses in context.

It only strengthens our faith and knowledge to have it challenged and to defend it.