Gal 4 "under the Law" vs "under Grace" in Romans 6 and not sinning

[bugkiller]

That is an absurd statement.
You murder someone and instead of getting the death penalty, someone takes your place so you don't have to die.
When you step back outside would you consider yourself free from the law that says "do not murder" because someone took your punishment? If anything, your gratefulness to that person who took your place will make you live the rest of your life so careful to not even step on any ants when you walk.
Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for our sins, but by no means does his sacrifice and our eternal life give us the right to disobey any of God's commandments. His redemption coupled with the regeneration taking place through His Spirit enables us TO BE ABLE TO be obedient to His commandments live in a manner that pleases Him, instead of the former way that we lived to please the devil and our own desires.

No it isn't. If I don't murder someone I'm not keeping the law any more than my unregenerate neighbor. If we use your illustration about keeping the law as a requirement or proof of salvation my unregenerate neighbor who will tell you in a NYC second what to do with your religion is a Christian.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

There are so many layers of problems with our understanding of God's Word, starting with our English definition of the Hebrew word Torah. The word Torah does not at all mean "law" but rather the word "instruction". Even this very minor change in translation greatly affects the way we look at God's commandments and instructions.
The Torah (Instructions) of God are multidimensional and multipurpose. His Torah acts as a schoolmaster that leads us to Christ, but also serves as an instruction manual AFTER salvation that guides us in living a life that pleases God.

Do you think it's possible for a believer to love the Torah (law, instruction) of God?

Psalms 119
97. O how I love Your law! It is my meditation all the day.
113. I hate those who are double-minded, But I love Your law.
163. I hate and despise falsehood, But I love Your law.
165. Those who love Your law have great peace, And nothing causes them to stumble.

What do the below verses mean to you?
Psalm 19
7. The law (Torah) of the LORD is perfect, restoring the soul; The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8. The precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9. The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true; they are righteous altogether.
10. They are more desirable than gold, yes, than much fine gold; Sweeter also than honey and the drippings of the honeycomb.
11. Moreover, by them Your servant is warned; In keeping them there is great reward.

The above verses are written to believers not unbelievers.
The Torah of God is written FOR believers.
It is more desirable than gold FOR believers.
It is sweeter than Honey FOR believers.
By them believers are warned.
Keeping God's commandments brings great reward TO believers.

This Law of God is death and condemnation only and not for Christians is nonsense and has to stop.
God's Word is very clear that God's Law (Torah) is perfect, right, true, pure, Spiritual, Holy and good.

If a Christian wants to disobey, not follow or somehow think that Jesus came to ABOLISH (Matthew 5:17-19) the Holy Torah of God that is their prerogative.

I for one find it very clear in Scripture that the commandments, instructions and ordinances of God are perfect and written for My good. So maybe we should agree to disagree as it will all be revealed when He returns.

"Now it will come about that In the last days The mountain of the house of the LORD will be established as the chief of the mountains, and will be raised above the hills; and all the nations will stream to it. And many peoples will come and say,
"Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths." For the Law will go forth from Zion and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."

Sorry but what you're saying doesn't hold any water.

Paul uses the Greek word "nomos" referencing the law (Law of Moses or the Torah) in Rom 7:6 that we are now delivered from. Paul certainly isn't saying we're now delivered from the instruction of God.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

There are so many layers of problems with our understanding of God's Word, starting with our English definition of the Hebrew word Torah. The word Torah does not at all mean "law" but rather the word "instruction". Even this very minor change in translation greatly affects the way we look at God's commandments and instructions.
The Torah (Instructions) of God are multidimensional and multipurpose. His Torah acts as a schoolmaster that leads us to Christ, but also serves as an instruction manual AFTER salvation that guides us in living a life that pleases God.

Do you think it's possible for a believer to love the Torah (law, instruction) of God?

Why yes. Does the NT contain the instruction of God?

Psalms 119
97. O how I love Your law! It is my meditation all the day.
113. I hate those who are double-minded, But I love Your law.
163. I hate and despise falsehood, But I love Your law.
165. Those who love Your law have great peace, And nothing causes them to stumble.

What do the below verses mean to you?
Psalm 19
7. The law (Torah) of the LORD is perfect, restoring the soul; The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8. The precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9. The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true; they are righteous altogether.
10. They are more desirable than gold, yes, than much fine gold; Sweeter also than honey and the drippings of the honeycomb.
11. Moreover, by them Your servant is warned; In keeping them there is great reward.

The above verses are written to believers not unbelievers.

No they're not. Those words are written to Israel. Besides what does those words have to do with the discussion? Oh, maybe you mean the NT is the inspired word of God. Maybe you mean a couple of the OT prophets are lying and as such isn't God's word.[quote
The Torah of God is written FOR believers.[/quote]OK, I can accept that.

It is more desirable than gold FOR believers.

ditto

It is sweeter than Honey FOR believers.

ditto

By them believers are warned.

Warned about what?

Keeping God's commandments brings great reward TO believers.

True. but you don't accept the NT as having God's commandments. They are very different from those given to Israel per their very own prophets.

This Law of God is death and condemnation only and not for Christians is nonsense and has to stop.

You say God's word is nonsense. Really?

God's Word is very clear that God's Law (Torah) is perfect, right, true, pure, Spiritual, Holy and good.

Why yeppers it is!!

If a Christian wants to disobey, not follow or somehow think that Jesus came to ABOLISH (Matthew 5:17-19) the Holy Torah of God that is their prerogative.

Effectively that is exactly what Jeremiah said. The law is done away with according to the Gospels of Luke and John. Don't even need Paul to prove the point.

I for one find it very clear in Scripture that the commandments, instructions and ordinances of God are perfect and written for My good. So maybe we should agree to disagree as it will all be revealed when He returns.

OK I'll let you have the law which guarantees a very warm retirement program while I will keep the free gift.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

In this passage like countless others, Paul is once again reiterating that Salvation is something that comes from above and is brought forth by God alone.
Any attempt to merit salvation through the work of men will prove to bring bondage and not freedom.
Hagar and Sarah’s sons perfectly illustrates the difference between one trying to receive God’s promise of salvation by the work of God and another trying to receive God’s promise of salvation by the work of men.

Throughout the “New Testament” Paul and the disciples constantly ran into those who were attempting to earn salvation through their works, or their obedience to specific commandments.
Any effort to use the Sinaic covenant as a means of salvation will fail to deliver men from the bondage of sin.
No one will receive the promise of salvation through human effor. IT takes a work of God for any of us to have salvation.

The argument was NEVER about whether or not God’s commandments were to be obeyed and followed AS believers. This is clear as ALL of the disciples and believers in the “New Testament” lived their lives in obedience to God’s commandments.
The argument was always against those who were attempting to require human effort and work and obedience as a means to earning salvation.

So what exactly is the real purpose of your trying to get people to submit to the law? Is failure to do so a willful sin? Can sin enter heaven? wills in keep one out of heaven?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Are you referring to the New Covenant referenced below?
If so, can you please tell me what "Law (Torah)" is being referred to below?

“Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD.
"But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My Law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
"They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."
Thus says the LORD, Who gives the sun for light by day And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; The LORD of hosts is His name:
"If this fixed order departs from before Me," declares the LORD, "Then the offspring of Israel also will cease from being a nation before Me forever."
Thus says the LORD, "If the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth searched out below, then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel for all that they have done," declares the LORD.
"Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when the city will be rebuilt for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate.
"The measuring line will go out farther straight ahead to the hill Gareb; then it will turn to Goah.”

Also, can you please tell me which of the highlighted green parts have already come to pass today?

I think the answers you ask for and refuse to accept are found in the first 5 books of the NT.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Yes. I can.

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


διαθήκη
diathēkē
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.

Total KJV occurrences: 33

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.



2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.



1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

.1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Excellent post.

bugkiller

 

[tzadik]

I think that would be a correct assumption as the Christian isn't under the law given to Israel. The Christian is under the new covenant.

The new covenant is made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
How do you "insert" yourself in the New Covenant, but yet want nothing to do with God's instructions given to Israel?

Why do the pro law people always ask this silly question? Who but the pro law people even post such an idea?We have only to be ignored.

Because the scriptures are clear in showing us that the Law is what defines sin. If you throw away the Instructions of God and deem them not applicable to you, then why should you obey any of it?
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Exodus 31:16 “So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.”
Leviticus 24:8 "Every sabbath day he shall set it in order before the LORD continually; it is an everlasting covenant for the sons of Israel.”

Christians aren't sons of Israel.

So if a son of Israel came to faith in Jesus, would the above Perpetual and Everlasting commandment to observe the Sabbath still apply to them?

 

[tzadik]

Yes, but the Bible does portray David as a sinner.

We are all sinners. Many are condemned sinners. Others are redeemed sinners.
We will not stop sinning until we received our glorified bodies.

Calling David a sinner does not excuse us from being obedient to God's commandments.

 

[tzadik]

Are you denying that the New Covenant from Jeremiah chapter 31 is the same as the New Covenant found fulfilled in Hebrews chapter 8?

Of course I'm not denying as they are almost verbatim.
What IS clear is that no matter how you swing it, it is Impossible to suggest that all of the stages of the New Covenant have been accomplished.
In Fact the New covenant will not be fully come to pass until Yeshua (Jesus) returns.

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
(This is found fulfilled in 2 Corinthians 3:3.)

Are you telling me that everyone from the House of Israel (I'd be curious for you to point me to who the House of Israel is) currently have the Law of God in their minds and on their hearts?

Ezekiel 36 as a piggyback to Jeremiah 31 tells us:
26. "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
27. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.
28. "You will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers; so you will be My people, and I will be your God.
Are you telling me that the above has come to pass?

 

[tzadik]

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
(We are the priests of the New Covenant.)

Once again you are throwing out random factoids, instead of addressing the passage.
It says that there will no longer be a need to teach every man his neighbor telling them to Know the Lord, because they will ALL know Him. Everyone. Don't forget that this is again talking to the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
Are you telling me that in the house of Israel and the House of Judah, there is NO need to teach anyone about the Lord?

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
(This is because of the sacrifice of Christ at Calvary.)

What about the sin you commit today?
Don't get me wrong, there will come a day where our sins will be forever forgotten, because in that day in the twinkling of an eye we shall be changed. "Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality."

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(This verse is the real problem for those who cannot let go of the Sinai covenant of bondage.)

Even if we were to use your English interpretation of "new covenant" in this passage, (do you know what it means when a word is in Italics in an English bible?) even so the passage says that it's READY to vanish away. Even this verse that many love to try to prove that somehow the Law of God is done away with--is inaccurate because whatever this verse is talking about...the "'old' has not yet passed away".

2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
(This is the fulfillment of Hebrews 8:11.)

Are you saying there is no need for Witnessing and carrying out the "Great commission" anymore, because everyone already knows the Lord (especially in reference to the House of Israel and the House of Judah)?

The New Covenant promised to the house of Israel in Jeremiah 31:31 was first made with the house of Israel in Acts 2:36.

Not sure where you are pulling that from, but in no way, shape or form is the New Covenant that is a covenant between the house of Israel and the house of Judah "made" with anyone in Acts 2. The New Covenant is something that is yet to be fulfilled in it's fullness when the King of King returns to reign!

The Gentiles branches were grafted in among the Israelite branches of the Olive Tree in Romans chapter 11.

This might be the first thing that we agree on! But it's a big one if you truly believe the above statement.
Gentile believers are indeed grafted in among (keyword among) believing Israel.

 

[tzadik]

No it isn't. If I don't murder someone I'm not keeping the law any more than my unregenerate neighbor. If we use your illustration about keeping the law as a requirement or proof of salvation

How about we use Scriptural illustrations:

Matthew 7:17-23
So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
So then, you will know them by their fruits.
Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'"

1 John 3:10
By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

Revelations 22:11
"Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy."

1 John 2:3-6
By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:
the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

The Scriptures are Crystal Clear in showing us that those who have been redeemed live their lives according to God's Instructions. If you are part of the Kingdom of God you will live according to the rules of the King. If you are part of God's Household, you will heed House rules.

 

[tzadik]

Sorry but what you're saying doesn't hold any water.

Paul uses the Greek word "nomos" referencing the law (Law of Moses or the Torah) in Rom 7:6 that we are now delivered from. Paul certainly isn't saying we're now delivered from the instruction of God.

bugkiller

You are slowly getting there bugkiller.

The only problem is that you fail to see that the Law of God (Torah) given through Moses IS the instruction of God.
The Law of God (Torah) is Truth. (Psalm 119:142)
The commandments of God is Truth. (Psalm 119:151)
The Word of God is Truth. (Psalm 119:160)

The Law of God (Torah) is the Word.
Isaiah 2:3
And many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths." For the Law (Torah) will go forth from Zion And the Word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isaiah 5:24
"Therefore, as a tongue of fire consumes stubble and dry grass collapses into the flame, So their root will become like rot and their blossom blow away as dust; For they have rejected the Law (Torah) of the LORD of hosts and despised the Word of the Holy One of Israel."
Micah 4:2
Many nations will come and say, "Come and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD and to the house of the God of Jacob, That He may teach us about His ways and that we may walk in His paths." For from Zion will go forth the Law (Torah), even the Word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

 

[tzadik]

I think the answers you ask for and refuse to accept are found in the first 5 books of the NT.

bugkiller

So you cannot answer the questions? A simple yes or no will do.

Did God already make a new covenant with the House of Israel and the House of Judah?
Did God already put His Law within the House of Israel and the House of Judah?
Is there no longer a need for the "Great commission" and for us to teach our neighbor to Know the Lord?
Does everyone from the House of Israel and the House of Judah now know the Lord?
Is the city rebuilt for the Lord from the tower of Hananel to the Corner gate?

 

[Soyeong]

We are all sinners. Many are condemned sinners. Others are redeemed sinners.
We will not stop sinning until we received our glorified bodies.

Calling David a sinner does not excuse us from being obedient to God's commandments.

The Bible never refers to followers of God as sinners, but rather it refers to us as saints. A sinner is not someone who still occasionally sins, but someone who makes the practice of sinning, while a saint is not someone who never sins, but someone who makes the practice of repentance and obedience by faith.

 

[tzadik]

The Bible never refers to followers of God as sinners, but rather it refers to us as saints. A sinner is not someone who still sins, but someone who makes the practice of sinning, while a saint is not someone who never sins, but someone who makes the practice of repentance and obedience.

You know what. You are 100% right.
I was wrong in my wording to prove a point. Thanks for the correction Soyeong.

Corrected:
We all sin.
Those who have not been redeemed will be condemned for their sins.
Those who have been redeemed like David have an Advocate and can restore the relationship with God through repentance.
Nowhere in the Entire Scriptures do we ever see God commanding perfect obedience to His commandments! He created His Torah with provisions for when we sin.

We will not stop sinning until we receive our glorified bodies when He returns!

 

[bugkiller]

The new covenant is made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
How do you "insert" yourself in the New Covenant, but yet want nothing to do with God's instructions given to Israel?

There's absolutely nothing in the Bible indicating the gentile Christian becomes an Israeli. Yeah I know you're going to try and spring Romans 2 and 11 on us. Be my guest. I've a ready response for that too.

Because the scriptures are clear in showing us that the Law is what defines sin. If you throw away the Instructions of God and deem them not applicable to you, then why should you obey any of it?

Now that's about as half hearted good ole college try as I ever seen to bring the unsuspecting Christian under the law.

--
Exodus 31:16 “So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.”
Leviticus 24:8 "Every sabbath day he shall set it in order before the LORD continually; it is an everlasting covenant for the sons of Israel.”


So if a son of Israel came to faith in Jesus, would the above Perpetual and Everlasting commandment to observe the Sabbath still apply to them?

If a Jew wishes to continue in their ethnic heritage more power to them. However a devote Jew named Paul says "we are now delivered from the law." Should one believe him and the Scripture or should they believe you?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

We are all sinners. Many are condemned sinners. Others are redeemed sinners.
We will not stop sinning until we received our glorified bodies.

Calling David a sinner does not excuse us from being obedient to God's commandments.

So you think you can do better? Really? The Bible says no.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Of course I'm not denying as they are almost verbatim.
What IS clear is that no matter how you swing it, it is Impossible to suggest that all of the stages of the New Covenant have been accomplished.
In Fact the New covenant will not be fully come to pass until Yeshua (Jesus) returns.


Are you telling me that everyone from the House of Israel (I'd be curious for you to point me to who the House of Israel is) currently have the Law of God in their minds and on their hearts?

Ezekiel 36 as a piggyback to Jeremiah 31 tells us:
26. "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
27. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.
28. "You will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers; so you will be My people, and I will be your God.
Are you telling me that the above has come to pass?

For those who accept Jesus as their Redeemer, absolutely yes!

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

How about we use Scriptural illustrations:

Matthew 7:17-23
So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
So then, you will know them by their fruits.
Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Many will say to Me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'"

1 John 3:10
By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

Revelations 22:11
"Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy."

1 John 2:3-6
By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:
the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

The Scriptures are Crystal Clear in showing us that those who have been redeemed live their lives according to God's Instructions. If you are part of the Kingdom of God you will live according to the rules of the King. If you are part of God's Household, you will heed House rules.

My comment still stands.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

You are slowly getting there bugkiller.

The only problem is that you fail to see that the Law of God (Torah) given through Moses IS the instruction of God.
The Law of God (Torah) is Truth. (Psalm 119:142)
The commandments of God is Truth. (Psalm 119:151)
The Word of God is Truth. (Psalm 119:160)

The Law of God (Torah) is the Word.
Isaiah 2:3
And many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths." For the Law (Torah) will go forth from Zion And the Word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isaiah 5:24
"Therefore, as a tongue of fire consumes stubble and dry grass collapses into the flame, So their root will become like rot and their blossom blow away as dust; For they have rejected the Law (Torah) of the LORD of hosts and despised the Word of the Holy One of Israel."
Micah 4:2
Many nations will come and say, "Come and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD and to the house of the God of Jacob, That He may teach us about His ways and that we may walk in His paths." For from Zion will go forth the Law (Torah), even the Word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Paul uses the Greek word "nomos" referencing the law (Law of Moses or the Torah) in Rom 7:6 that we are now delivered from. Paul certainly isn't saying we're now delivered from the instruction of God.

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