LDS Is Moroni a fallen demonic angel?

[ToBeLoved]

That anyone Mormon can say that this language existed at any time is false. There is no evidence of any preexistance of this language.

Interesting how the prophet interpreted a langauge that he made up. That's not interpretation. Something must exist to be interpreted.

So, let's not use interpreted or translate becauase there is nothing to translate or interpret.

 

[BigDaddy4]

The people who kept the record used a hybridized system of Hebrew and Egyptian. This is what critics of the church refer to as "Reformed Egyptian". The people who lived at the time of the BoM had no trouble reading it, indicating that the system was common enough. Sadly, the people who created the system were wiped out, and it's well within the realm of possibility that the records of the system were among the vast amounts of material that the conquistadors destroyed for being "heathen" in nature.

Mormon 9:32 is a critic of your church??? (bold mine)
"And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech"

Seems like you just want to continue your rant about the "critics" of your church. It was not them who coined the term.

 

[Ironhold]

That anyone Mormon can say that this language existed at any time is false. There is no evidence of any preexistance of this language.

Again, you presume that this is a full-blown language and not simply a writing system.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Again, you presume that this is a full-blown language and not simply a writing system.

It does not exist whatever it is. Language or writing system.

What do you guys call it?

 

[mmksparbud]

They call it Reformed Egyptian that was made up by an unknown group of people for the world to uncover and peer into a stone in a hat to decipher. Seeing that it was for the whole world, you'd think they would have written it in the language that was prevalent then and not just in their little corner--they knew Hebrew, they knew Egyptian, but they morphed the 2 so that the people it was intended for could not decipher it unless there was a special stone in a hat---then they hid it so nobody could find it except an angel (which had been a man in his previous life) showed somebody where it was.

 

[ToBeLoved]

They call it Reformed Egyptian that was made up by an unknown group of people for the world to uncover and peer into a stone in a hat to decipher. Seeing that it was for the whole world, you'd think they would have written it in the language that was prevalent then and not just in their little corner--they knew Hebrew, they knew Egyptian, but they morphed the 2 so that the people it was intended for could not decipher it unless there was a special stone in a hat---then they hid it so nobody could find it except an angel (which had been a man in his previous life) showed somebody where it was.

Ahh...

So the tie in is the angel who was once human so he knew where it was hidden.

 

[fatboys]

Ahh...

So the tie in is the angel who was once human so he knew where it was hidden.

Goodness sakes how many languages existed and now just lost? Tell me why it was that no one could read or translate Egyptian correctly until the twenty century. I'm sure there were Egyptians that live for the time it was first written until now? They could translate it at the time of Joseph Smith. We still don't know to this day if intent and content is correct they can only guess.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Goodness sakes how many languages existed and now just lost? Tell me why it was that no one could read or translate Egyptian correctly until the twenty century. I'm sure there were Egyptians that live for the time it was first written until now? They could translate it at the time of Joseph Smith. We still don't know to this day if intent and content is correct they can only guess.

Actually many people can and do translate Egyptian. But the JS language/writing is not Egyptian it is something that "looks like" Egyptian.

As in it is the real language that "most closely represented the look and feel" of the JS stuff. So the Mormons named it after a real language I assume for credibility, but it is not Egyptian writing.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Again, you presume that this is a full-blown language and not simply a writing system.

Are you intentionally ignoring your own scriptures just to be argumentative?

Mormon 9:32 is a critic of your church??? (bold mine)
"And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech"

 

[ToBeLoved]

Are you intentionally ignoring your own scriptures just to be argumentative?

Mormon 9:32 is a critic of your church??? (bold mine)
"And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech"

Good question I hope someone on the Mormon side address it

 

[Ironhold]

Are you intentionally ignoring your own scriptures just to be argumentative?

Mormon 9:32 is a critic of your church??? (bold mine)
"And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech"

Our critics are the ones presuming it to be a full-blown commonly-spoken language, when the text itself merely refers to it as characters.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Our critics are the ones presuming it to be a full-blown commonly-spoken language, when the text itself merely refers to it as characters.

Please stop using that as an excuse.

Why not just give us the correct information, if there is one. Maybe there is no legitimate answer

 

[fatboys]

Please stop using that as an excuse.

Why not just give us the correct information, if there is one. Maybe there is no legitimate answer

All we know is that is the language they used to condense the writings to fit on the plates. That does not mean that they were the only ones that used it. We suppose that others used this type of short hand as well.

 

[ToBeLoved]

All we know is that is the language they used to condense the writings to fit on the plates. That does not mean that they were the only ones that used it. We suppose that others used this type of short hand as well.

I wouldn't suppose. With the Internet we pretty well know.

You guys go to crazy lengths to support this guy.

smh

 

[ToBeLoved]

Our critics are the ones presuming it to be a full-blown commonly-spoken language, when the text itself merely refers to it as characters.

You said your critics called it a non language too.

Maybe you should listen and research more. Instead of blaming critics. We can all blame someone for everything bad that happens but most of us don't. It's called making excuses

 

[mmksparbud]

All we know is that is the language they used to condense the writings to fit on the plates. That does not mean that they were the only ones that used it. We suppose that others used this type of short hand as well.

.Mormon 9:32
"And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech"

They were the only ones that used it-----that is what your own writings state.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Our critics are the ones presuming it to be a full-blown commonly-spoken language, when the text itself merely refers to it as characters.

That's a lame excuse. Your contradictions are showing. Apparently "according to our manner of speech" does not mean "a full-blown commonly-spoken language" (your words)??

And you conveniently forget that you made this statement, which contradicts what you just said:
"The people who lived at the time of the BoM had no trouble reading it, indicating that the system was common enough" [emphasis mine].

I think you're just making things up.

 

[BigDaddy4]

All we know is that is the language they used to condense the writings to fit on the plates. That does not mean that they were the only ones that used it. We suppose that others used this type of short hand as well.

Now you're making things up, too.

 

[fatboys]

I wouldn't suppose. With the Internet we pretty well know.

You guys go to crazy lengths to support this guy.

smh

Oh I forgot everything on the Internet is true. My bad

 

[ToBeLoved]

Oh I forgot everything on the Internet is true. My bad

Another excuse.

With the internet we have access to much information. One does need to check their sources.