Adam was formed on the 3rd Day

[joshua 1 9]

Human Farming began SUDDENLY thus refuting the False Theory of Evolution which requires long gradual periods of time and magical positive mutations which can NEVER be repeated. You have confused hunter gatherers (prehistoric people) with Humans (descendants of Adam) who arrived on Planet Earth SUDDENLY, exactly where Human civilization began. Coincidence? Please explain. Amen?

I tend to be a dispensationalist. So I believe that the days in Genesis were 1,000 years. The same as I believe we are in the Church age or the Holy Spirit Dispensation that will last for two days or two thousand years. We are getting very close to the 1,000 year reign of Christ that they refer to as the Millennium. Adam lived for slightly less then one day or 1,000 years. So if you saying God did it all in Adam's day then your talking about a 1,000 year day.

If you want to talk about LONG periods of time that would be OEC and I do not disagree with that but I can not really explain it because as Gerald Schroeder explains each day would need to be half the length of the day before it. Also I do not accept mutations, errors and mistakes as doing anything positive or to our advantage. Although God does cause good to come out of it. All things work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to His purpose.

Genesis Chapter two clearly says that: "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Today people can be born again and they can receive the Holy Spirit of God. Even John in Rev says that there are seven churches and seven Spirits. Rev 3:1 "These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars" Paul talks about how the gentiles can be adopted into the family of God. Jesus refereed to the gentiles as dogs: "He replied, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.” (1) beautiful, handsome, excellent, eminent, choice, surpassing,
precious, useful, suitable, commendable, admirable )

 

[Aman777]

So we are still living on the 7 th day? God is resting and not doing anything in the world? Are you a Diest?

No, I'm a Christian. We are currently living on the 6th Day/Age since God is STILL creating the host of Heaven in His Image, which is in Christ Spiritually. This means that we are still at Gen 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the Prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to rule and reign for a thousand years.

This is made clear when you read Gen 2:1:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (brought to perfection) and ALL the host of them.

Christians are among the host of Heaven. AFTER God"s work is brought to perfection (which is the way ALL of God's work is when completed) God will rest (Heb-sabbath) from ALL of His work of Creating. Gen 2:2-3 Today, God is STILL creating sinners in Christ Spiritually and He will NOT rest (Heb-sabbath-cease) until His Creation is brought to perfection and ALL Christians are safely in Heaven. God Bless you.

 

[-57]

Only Adam's world or his bio diverse ecology was destroyed. There is overwhelming evidence that there was NOT a world wide flood at the time of Moses. There was a world wide flood that began around 12,000 years ago and the water level is a lot higher. Even today the glaciers are still melting and the water level is rising and cites are flooding. This is different from the story we read about Noah though.

The thing about Noah's flood is that Noah's world was destroyed. God did not leave any evidence of it for us to examine today. Only what was on the Ark was preserved.

There was only one world wide flood. Noahs flood. This flood would have destroyed all the history from Adam to Noah.

 

[Aman777]

Be careful what you accuse people of, you may very well be guilty of what you accuse others of. The Bible clearly teaches us not to judge others. Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. I have no way to know anything about you other then what you tell me. Only God can examine the heart of man.

I haven't judged you but I don't care what Max Planck discovered (Quantum Physics) since God's Holy Word trumps ANY man's opinion, including my own. That is WHY I support what I post with the agreement of Scripture, Science and History. God Bless you

 

[mmksparbud]

No, I'm a Christian. We are currently living on the 6th Day/Age since God is STILL creating the host of Heaven in His Image, which is in Christ Spiritually. This means that we are still at Gen 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the Prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to rule and reign for a thousand years.

This is made clear when you read Gen 2:1:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (brought to perfection) and ALL the host of them.

Christians are among the host of Heaven. AFTER God"s work is brought to perfection (which is the way ALL of God's work is when completed) God will rest (Heb-sabbath) from ALL of His work of Creating. Gen 2:2-3 Today, God is STILL creating sinners in Christ Spiritually and He will NOT rest (Heb-sabbath-cease) until His Creation is brought to perfection and ALL Christians are safely in Heaven. God Bless you.

You were asked on another thread to reconcile your statement that we are now in day 6 of creation week with the fact that Adam and Eve fell after the 7th day---which means we are not fallen yet and Jesus didn't have to die. So we must still be in the garden of Eden. Can you reconcile the 2 statements on either this thread of on the "Is God a liar thread?"[/QUOTE

 

[Aman777]

mmksparbud said: ↑
You were asked on another thread to reconcile your statement that we are now in day 6 of creation week with the fact that Adam and Eve fell after the 7th day---which means we are not fallen yet and Jesus didn't have to die. So we must still be in the garden of Eden. Can you reconcile the 2 statements on either this thread of on the "Is God a liar thread?"[/QUOTE]

You misunderstand. The 7th Day is FUTURE to 2015. We live today on the present 6th Day, which began when the Lord God made the creatures from the ground and Adam named them. Gen 2:19 The 6th Day/Age will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned. ll Peter 3:10

Then, God's work will be finished or brought to perfection and ALL of the host of Heaven will be safely in Heaven as Gen 2:1 shows:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Then, God will rest on the 7th Day for Eternity, from ALL of His work of creating, since the 7th Day has NO end. We live today at the end of the present 6th Day because God is STILL filling the 3rd Heaven with perfect people, made perfect because they are in Christ, Spiritually.

I hope this answers your question but IF not, please let me know. God Bless you.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I haven't judged you but I don't care what Max Planck discovered (Quantum Physics) since God's Holy Word trumps ANY man's opinion, including my own. That is WHY I support what I post with the agreement of Scripture, Science and History. God Bless you

According to Gerald Schroeder: Kabbalah goes back to the Oral tradition of Moses. Schroeder feels that Max Planck theorys are based on the Oral tradition of Moses that was given in addition to the written word of God. The Oral tradition was given to explain the written word. So one does not really trump the other, they compliment each other.

 

[joshua 1 9]

There was only one world wide flood. Noahs flood. This flood would have destroyed all the history from Adam to Noah.

Ok so everything from Adam to Noah was destroyed. What does that have to do with the rest of the world? Clearly the whole world was not destroyed at the time of Noah. Noah's world may have been destroyed, but not the whole world as we know it today.

 

[mmksparbud]

mmksparbud said: ↑
You were asked on another thread to reconcile your statement that we are now in day 6 of creation week with the fact that Adam and Eve fell after the 7th day---which means we are not fallen yet and Jesus didn't have to die. So we must still be in the garden of Eden. Can you reconcile the 2 statements on either this thread of on the "Is God a liar thread?"

You misunderstand. The 7th Day is FUTURE to 2015. We live today on the present 6th Day, which began when the Lord God made the creatures from the ground and Adam named them. Gen 2:19 The 6th Day/Age will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned. ll Peter 3:10

Then, God's work will be finished or brought to perfection and ALL of the host of Heaven will be safely in Heaven as Gen 2:1 shows:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Then, God will rest on the 7th Day for Eternity, from ALL of His work of creating, since the 7th Day has NO end. We live today at the end of the present 6th Day because God is STILL filling the 3rd Heaven with perfect people, made perfect because they are in Christ, Spiritually.

I hope this answers your question but IF not, please let me know. God Bless you.[/QUOTE]


No, I didn't misunderstand. So, today, we are in the 6th day---in the garden of Eden before the fall-----so Jesus did not have die 2,000 years ago as we haven't fallen yet?

 

[Aman777]

You misunderstand. The 7th Day is FUTURE to 2015. We live today on the present 6th Day, which began when the Lord God made the creatures from the ground and Adam named them. Gen 2:19 The 6th Day/Age will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned. ll Peter 3:10

Then, God's work will be finished or brought to perfection and ALL of the host of Heaven will be safely in Heaven as Gen 2:1 shows:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Then, God will rest on the 7th Day for Eternity, from ALL of His work of creating, since the 7th Day has NO end. We live today at the end of the present 6th Day because God is STILL filling the 3rd Heaven with perfect people, made perfect because they are in Christ, Spiritually.

I hope this answers your question but IF not, please let me know. God Bless you.

*** No, I didn't misunderstand. So, today, we are in the 6th day---in the garden of Eden before the fall-----so Jesus did not have die 2,000 years ago as we haven't fallen yet?

Adam was cast from the Garden AFTER Eve was made Gen 2:22 on the present 6th Day/Age after he sinned. Each of God's Days/Ages is Billions of years in length in man's time. Since Eve was NOT made until some 12k + - years ago, in man's time, and the Flood was only 11k years ago, there was plenty of time for ALL of the events from when Eve was made, until today, to have taken place on the present 6th Day. Amen?

 

[mmksparbud]

OK---get line of thinking now.
Can you please state the verse that states each day is billions of years long as all I can find is "and God said let there be...." followed by "and there was..."

I am still confused on other areas:

Since Adam was made long before ANY other living creature on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7, there were NO people before him. Every other living creature that moveth was made on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 Try again?

Also, yuou said that there has been no period of time when we were all vegetarian, yet Adam was created before any other living creature and each day is billions of years long---what did Adam eat as he had neither animals nor vegetation to eat and he was not formed spiritually until after Cain killed Abel, so Adam had a physical body.

Adam and Eve's AGE was NOT counted until they were born again Spiritually AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 Adam lived on the first Earth, for 930 years AFTER he and Eve were born Eternally. Gen 5:5 This was many years AFTER Adam sinned. Amen?

Quite a bit actually since Adam was "formed" of the dust BEFORE the plants, herbs and Trees which GREW on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:12

You said Eve was not created until day 6---so you mean that Adam did not eat, nor did he have Eve around for billions of years??? It took God billions of years to figure out that it was not good for man to be alone and that he needed food????

 

[Hoghead1]

Problem is, MMK, that you are simply asking us to accept what you, another human, thinks about the Bible. If we are not to go on the opinions of men, this most certainly includes you yourself. It certainly can be the case that the ones with the big credentials blew it. However, that is just a severe warning to me how much trouble we could get into by listening to the unqualified opinions of an unqualified person such as yourself.

 

[mmksparbud]

Problem is, MMK, that you are simply asking us to accept what you, another human, thinks about the Bible. If we are not to go on the opinions of men, this most certainly includes you yourself. It certainly can be the case that the ones with the big credentials blew it. However, that is just a severe warning to me how much trouble we could get into by listening to the unqualified opinions of an unqualified person such as yourself.

I have asked no such thing---I have asked questions, and I quote the bible and give my opinion---what anyone believes is their own choice.

 

[Hoghead1]

It is true that Genesis presents two highly contradictory accounts of creation and that some have tried to explain this away by arguing we are dealing with two separate creations here. At the same time, nobody is really happy with the notion of a preAdamite society. Maybe you are, but most believers aren't.

 

[n2thelight]

1. God created evil. Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

2. Satan was made perfect as an ArchAngel (highest Angel) but like Adam, darkness was found in him and a third of the other Angels.

3. Correction: Adam and Eve did not DIE until they disobeyed. Adam (mankind) continues to die Today.

4. YHWH/Jesus was NOT created as you continue to post. God Himself became YHWH, the only God ever formed or that ever will be formed. YHWH came to Earth as Jesus:

Isa:43:11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside Me there is no Saviour.

5. Amen. The Flood didn't happen until the 6th Day. Amen?

God did not create evil

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I made peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
This verse has been badly translated from the Hebrew text. Lets take a close look at two words here, the words "create", and "evil". The verb "create" or "bara" in the Hebrew requires the rendering "to bring about". This word has to be determined in the context of it's use.


The word "evil" is never rendered "sin", but "calamity". God brings calamity into our lives as the inevitable consequences of the sin that is committed. God is saying that if you chose to bring sin in your life, you can count on the calamity that will follow. God has not created the sin, or evil, but God has created the individuals that have turned to evil. Then when you get out of line, God provides the distress within your life to show you that you are out of line, and by that calamity you know it is time to repent and get back into line.

If you are a child of God, you will pick up on those times when you are out of the will of God, and see the distress for what it is and thank Him for it. You will get back to where you should be, and then God will straighten you path and break down those bars and gates that are in your way. However it is all up to you.

 

[n2thelight]

Genesis 1:27"So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."

First we did not all come from Adam and Eve.In the verse above,this is neither Adam nor Eve

So it was on this sixth day that both man and woman of all races were formed, and each after their kind. Yet all forms of mankind red, yellow, black [brown], or white are all created in the image of God.

Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, ad over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

This earth had a population in the first earth age, and it was inhabited by God's children. Satan caused one third of all God's children to fall, and follow him, and the result of that fall angered God. That is when "the earth became [tohu-va bohu] a waste and desolation", as recorded in verse two.
God is now commanding the races to multiply and "repopulate" the earth "after their kind". It seems though today that the whole world is a bit color blind, or maybe they think God is out of touch with today's world. It is interesting though, following Noah's flood in Genesis 9:1; "And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, "be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth."
These are the only two places in the Bible where the word "replenish" is used, and both deal with the time following a destruction of the earth and mankind by a flood. To replenish anything, means that it had to exist prior, and in the same form. What is interesting though, is that evolutionist can find animal forms dating back thousands of years prior to any skeletal remains of mankind. In fact the earliest specimens of man was carbonated to within the limits of God's creation. It was the link that evolutionists claimed to be the link between monkey and man. However, by other testing, it turned out to be a chimp. Strange huh? Remember, "kind after kind'.

Genesis 1:29 "And God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."

Notice it says every tree?

Genesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

Still no Adam and Eve

Genesis 2:1 "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."
This chapter begins after the completion of the heavens and the earth, when it is fit for habitation. The "hosts" are the masses of people of every race, created on the sixth day, and their offspring, as each race multiplied "after their kind". "Hosts" in the Hebrew text, is given as "tsaba", which shows a binding unity within each group or race, such as organizing for war. In the Strong's Hebrew dictionary it is # 6635, it comes from the root meaning "to assemble to perform". Each of these souls or people, having been created, now stood ready to pass through this earth age. Each soul having the free will to choose light, or darkness.

Genesis 2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made."

Still no Adam or Eve....

Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Now we have Adam
The word "formed" is used [molded as clay] to describe the making of Adam. When man was formed he became a living creature. In the Hebrew it is "eth-ha-adham", which refers to the particular person "Adam", (not a generic form for man). The "Ha-Adham" [Adam] is the man that Christ will come forth through. Matthew 1:1-17, and Luke 3:23-38 both give us our documentation that this is true and did come to pass. Paul states in I Corinthians 15:21-23 that sin came into the world by the first Adam, but by the second Adam [Christ} all shall be made alive. Christ is the first fruits [to come out of the grave to everlasting life], and then "they that are Christ's at His coming". There was death by the first Adam, and salvation by Christ Himself.
Genesis 2:8 "(And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed."
In this "Eden" which God had formed, He put "eth-ha adham" [not any man, but "the Adam"]. This is the man "Adam" formed from clay in Genesis 2:7, and not the "male and female" of the races of the sixth day creation of Genesis 1:27-28. Eden is a special place that God made, following the seventh day of rest, for a special man called Adam.

Genesis 2:22 "And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man."

And here is Eve

Chapter two is totally differrent than chapter two,it's not a recap as most think............

 

[n2thelight]

Sorry, but God has only 7 Days/Ages and the 7th is Eternity. Amen?

I agree with your 7 day scenario,however you're missing my point....I agree that it has been around 6000 years since God made Adam and that He shall return on the 7th ie the milennium.

The day 6 that I refer to was before He formed Adam

 

[-57]

Ok so everything from Adam to Noah was destroyed. What does that have to do with the rest of the world? Clearly the whole world was not destroyed at the time of Noah. Noah's world may have been destroyed, but not the whole world as we know it today.

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I was responding to your post 238.

 

[Aman777]

*** OK---get line of thinking now.
Can you please state the verse that states each day is billions of years long as all I can find is "and God said let there be...." followed by "and there was..."

Genesis 2:4-7 shows that man (Heb-Adam) was "formed" on the 3rd Day. Genesis 1:16 shows that the first STARS lit up on the 4th Day. Conclusion: Adam was made BEFORE the first STARS of our Cosmos, which first put forth their light some 13.8 Billion years ago.

Adam lived until some 12k years ago, since the Ark arrived on our Planet some 11k years ago. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html This means that Adam lived more than 13.8 Billion years ago, in man's time.

***I am still confused on other areas:

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Since Adam was made long before ANY other living creature on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7, there were NO people before him. Every other living creature that moveth was made on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 Try again?

*** Also, you said that there has been no period of time when we were all vegetarian, yet Adam was created before any other living creature and each day is billions of years long---what did Adam eat as he had neither animals nor vegetation to eat and he was not formed spiritually until after Cain killed Abel, so Adam had a physical body.

Adam lived in a body like that of Jesus and like ALL Christians will have in heaven. That's another really good thing about Heaven. IF we want to eat, ok, but IF we don't eat, that's ok too. Adam did NOT live in a body of flesh until AFTER the fall. Here is the change. Gen 3:7

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Adam and Eve's AGE was NOT counted until they were born again Spiritually AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 Adam lived on the first Earth, for 930 years AFTER he and Eve were born Eternally. Gen 5:5 This was many years AFTER Adam sinned. Amen?
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Quite a bit actually since Adam was "formed" of the dust BEFOREthe plants, herbs and Trees which GREW on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:12

*** You said Eve was not created until day 6---so you mean that Adam did not eat, nor did he have Eve around for billions of years??? It took God billions of years to figure out that it was not good for man to be alone and that he needed food????

NO. Jesus KNEW that Adam would fall because of his love for Eve, so she was made AFTER the creatures were made from the ground, on the present 6th Day. Gen 2:22 It was also AFTER the sons of God (prehistoric people) were created from the water on Day 5. Gen 1:21

Eve was different from the sons of God who did NOT have the intelligence level which ONLY God and Adam had. Gen 3:22 That is WHY the prehistoric people were NOT found to be a help meet for Adam. Jesus knew that Adam would be happy only with someone with an intelligence level like himself. It's the difference between prehistoric people and Humans. (descendants of Adam) God's Truth is Literally the Truth in every way. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

God did not create evil

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I made peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
This verse has been badly translated from the Hebrew text. Lets take a close look at two words here, the words "create", and "evil". The verb "create" or "bara" in the Hebrew requires the rendering "to bring about". This word has to be determined in the context of it's use.

Okay, then the verse should read I form the light, and bring about darkness. What is the difference?

*** The word "evil" is never rendered "sin", but "calamity". God brings calamity into our lives as the inevitable consequences of the sin that is committed. God is saying that if you chose to bring sin in your life, you can count on the calamity that will follow. God has not created the sin, or evil, but God has created the individuals that have turned to evil. Then when you get out of line, God provides the distress within your life to show you that you are out of line, and by that calamity you know it is time to repent and get back into line.

The reason God is responsible for evil is because He gave men and angels a FREE Choice to believe Him or NOT.

*** If you are a child of God, you will pick up on those times when you are out of the will of God, and see the distress for what it is and thank Him for it. You will get back to where you should be, and then God will straighten you path and break down those bars and gates that are in your way. However it is all up to you.

It's all up to the wicked too, since they also have the Free Will to believe God or the world. Either way, God is responsible and admits it in the verse above because He is the Creator. In the end, AFTER death has been destroyed, 1Co 15:26 things will be the way God KNEW they would be when He subjected His Creation to vanity. (Greek-perverseness, depravity)

Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of Him Who hath subjected the same in hope,