Original Strong's Ref. #1537
Romanized ek
Pronounced ek
a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; direct or remote):
Thank you for taking the time to discuss this with me.
"II.
of the origin, source, cause;
1. of generation, birth, race,
lineage, nativity;
a. after verbs of begetting, being born, etc.: ἐν γαστρί ἔχειν ἐκ τίνος,
Matthew 1:18, cf.
Matthew 1:20; κοίτην ἔχειν ἐκτ.,
Romans 9:10; γενναν τινα ἐκ with the genitive of the woman,
Matthew 1:3, 5f, 16; γίνεσθαι ἐκ γυναικός to be born of a woman,
Galatians 4:4 cf.
Galatians 4:22f; γέννασθαι ἐξ αἱμάτων, ἐκθελήματος σαρκός,
John 1:13; ἐκ τῆςσαρκός,
John 3:6; ἐκ πορνείας,
John 8:41; ἐγείρειν τίνι τέκνα ἐκ,
Matthew 3:9;
Luke 3:8 (τίς) ἐκ καρποῦ τῆς ὀσφύοςαὐτοῦ,
Acts 2:30 (
Psalm 131:11 ()); ἡ ἐκφύσεως ἀκροβυστία,
Romans 2:27. In a supernatural sense: τό πνεῦμα τό ἐκΘεοῦ SC. ὄν, from the divine nature (cf.Winer's Grammar, 193 (182)),
1 Corinthians 2:12 cf.
Revelation 2:11; men are said γέννασθαι ἐκ πνεύματος,
John 3:5f, 8; γεγεννήμενοι εἶναι ἐκ Θεοῦ(see γεννάω 2 d.), and to the same purport εἶναι ἐκ Θεοῦ,
1 John 4:4, 6;
1 John 5:19 (see εἰμί, V. 3 d. (and cf. 7 below))."
The words of Agur the gatherer, son of Yaqeh the obedient, the burden: Thus says the Geber, for El has arrived, for El has arrived and devoured: Surely I am lower than an iysh, and the understanding of an adam have I not, neither was I taught wisdom: but the knowledge of the holy ones I know. Who has ascended and descended the shamayim? Who has gathered the ruach in his fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His Name? and what is the name of His Son if you can tell? Every imrat-memra of Eloahh is refined: He is a magen to them that put their trust in Him, and no one has ascended into the shamayim if not the one from the shamayim has descended: the Son of man, who descended in the somatikos bodily form of the pneumatikos ethereal body of the Yonah Dove. Counsel is mine, and sound Wisdom: I am understanding, I have strength. By me kings reign and princes decree justice. By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth. I love them that love me and those that seek me early shall find me. Riches and honor are with me: yea, durable riches and righteousness. My fruit is better than gold, yea, better than the finest gold, and my revenue better than choice silver. I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment, that I may cause those that love me to inherit substance, and I will fill their treasures. YHWH possessed me in the beginning of His Way, before His works of old: I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth: when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills I was brought forth: while as yet He had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When He prepared the heavens I was there, and when He set a compass upon the face of the depth, when He established the clouds above, when He strengthened the fountains of the deep, when He gave to the sea His decree that the waters should not pass His commandment, when He appointed the foundations of the earth: then was I by Him, as one brought up with Him, and I was daily His delight; rejoicing always before Him, rejoicing in the habitable part of His earth, and my delights were with the sons of men. Now therefore hearken unto me, O you sons, for blessed are they that keep my ways. Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. Blessed is the man that hears me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. For whosoever finds me, finds Life, and shall obtain the favor of YHWH. But he that sins against me wrongs his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
Yeshua says, The Logos which you hear is not of me, but contrariwise, it is of the One sending me, the Father. In the beginning was the Memra, and the Memra was with the Elohim, and Elohim was the Memra: the same was in the beginning with the Elohim. All things through him came into being, and outside of him came nothing into being which has come into being. In him was Life, and the Life was the Light of the anthropon men: and the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness cannot overtake him. That Light is the true Light which lights every man that enters into the world. There came to be a man sent from Elohim of the name Yochanan: the same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light but was sent to bear witness of that Light. The Light was the Truth which lights every man that comes into the world. He was in the world, and the world came to be through him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own and his own received him not. But as many as receive him, to them he gives power to become offspring of Elohim: to them that are faithfully trusting into his name, not those of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but from Elohim having been produced. And the Memra became flesh, and tabernacles among us, but all flesh is not the same flesh: there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fish, and another of birds, (and therefore doves). There are somata bodies heavenly, and there are somata bodies earthly; but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another: if there is a soma psuchikon natural physical body, there is a pneumatikon ethereal body.
At the time when Yochanan was immersing at the Yarden River, and all the people came to be immersed, Yeshua came also from the Galil unto Yochanan at Yarden to be immersed under his name. And being in prayer Yeshua immerses, (for the Immerser is the Witness and lays not a hand upon the one being immersed) and by and by ascending up from the water Yeshua sees the heavens torn and the Spirit of the Holy One descending in somatiko-bodily form as a dove and entering into him: and a voice comes to be from heaven, "You are My Son: This day have I begotten you." And thereupon shone a great light roundabout that place. And Yochanan seeing the great light, and having gone through several plunges of the immersion, prevented him, saying, "Who are you, Master? I have need under your name to be immersed: and you come to me?" And Yeshua answering says unto him, "Allow it for now: for in this manner it is fitting for us to fill up all righteousness." Then Yochanan allowed it. And by and by ascending from the water, behold, the heavens were opened unto him and he saw the Spirit of Elohim descending as if a dove and alighting upon him: and, lo, a voice from the heavens, saying, "This is My Son, the Beloved, in whom I delight." And the Memra tabernacles in the heart of the man Yeshua, and the Princely Power of the Empire, the Spirit of the Father, remains upon the shoulder of the man Yeshua: Emmanuel.
And at the very least that is three of my forty two sense . . . 
Beautiful. I love seeing the Word rightly divided. I've been focusing on one thing in particular, but I think you and I agree. I love that we just had a conversation with Scripture. It's something I've only ever done with myself. If we could all just keep our words, terms, and phrases in line with Scripture, there would be no division. I feel so much more confident that we all believe the Truth.
On a separate note, what do you think this verse has to do with hell?
"For the body is not one member, but many.
If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
But now
hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
And if they were all one member, where were the body?
But now are they many members, yet but one body.
And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more
abundant honour to that part which lacked:
That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular." 1 Corinthians 12:14
Since we've all believed in hell, and since God works all things, is not the teachers of hell part of this body as well? Are
we not the uncomely parts, the parts that are covered and hidden; while the stronger, public parts have their very important
purpose as well? I know this is about spiritual gifts, but as Paul says:
"And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
Some indeed preach Christ even of
envy and
strife; and some also of good will:
The one preach Christ of
contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
What then?
notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the
supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, " Philippians 1:14
This is something I've been thinking about since talking to LoveofTruth, and I was just wondering what you think. Thank you my friend and God bless you.
