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[Davian]

EVERYTHING is either true or false, by one version of history and reality or another by [intelligent] design.

I was under the impression that ID worked against the biblical-type/YEC gods. After all, why would an allegedly all-powerful-all-knowing deity have to throw a universe together, then fiddle with the knobs to get it right, when it could, hypothetically, have us living on the surface of the Sun?

ID is in favour of a 13-plus-billion-year-old cosmos, and all that that entails.

Only one version is true. All of the choices are riddled. One must choose. The correct choice

Belief is not a conscious choice. I, for one, cannot simply flip a 'switch' in my head and say, "today, I shall believe in gods".

could possibly mean life after physical death, the rest are likely curtain death.

Beliefs do not affect reality.

Choose wisely.

Indeed. I await compelling evidence in support of your assertions.

 

[Davian]

Only two choices for what?

When you come from the land of false dichotomies, it always comes down to two choices.

 

[bhsmte]

EVERYTHING is either true or false, by one version of history and reality or another by [intelligent] design. Only one version is true. All of the choices are riddled. One must choose. The correct choice could possibly mean life after physical death, the rest are likely curtain death. Choose wisely.

When it comes to beliefs, I don't go choosing them based on claims of reward, I will conclude something is likely true, if I can reconcile that truth with reality and that means with evidence.

 

[dlamberth]

FYI, you're absolutely right that it's possible to integrate both Lambda-CDM and Panentheism, but the electrical aspects of the cosmos is what ultimately got me to rethink my position on Panentheism.

Those electrical aspects of the cosmos are every bit a part of and One with the universe as is everything else that exist. I don't know how one would separate them out and apart from the Divine Presence.

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[Davian]

Let me put it this way: In the end, on my path there is (hypothetically) a chance to continue living after physical death.

Do you have anything other than speculation?

On you path, you die and it's over.

That would be where the evidence leads me.

But, I am not selling anything.

You are selling your religion, as you said you were "commanded" to do.

Have it your way.

I do not see reality offering me a choice.

 

[dlamberth]

EVERYTHING is either true or false, by one version of history and reality or another by [intelligent] design. Only one version is true. All of the choices are riddled. One must choose. The correct choice could possibly mean life after physical death, the rest are likely curtain death. Choose wisely.

I choose to reject all after physical death scenarios. It's now that I'm alive. It's now that God is my reality in life. It's now that I'm going through the awakening process. It's now that I can serve and help those in need. It's now that I can laugh with my grandchildren. It's now that I can cry because of the pillaging of the earth. I choose to not live for life after death but to live for life now. I see that as a very wise way to live.

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[Davian]

You obviously have not been paying attention. There are two choices. The choice is everyone's to make, just how they see it. Then...everyone gets what they choose.

Not that belief is a conscious choice.

I was merely pointing out that proving or justifying my choice, is no different then justifying or proving any other choice. The rules are the same. I get to say what evidence is acceptable, and so does everyone else...and that is all the Atheist crowd has offered (their rules and facts and history, etc. are all that count).

What of all the religionists - Christians - that accept modern cosmology and evolutionary theory? Do their their rules and facts get kicked to the side as well?

I counter that argument with the same rules: mine are all that count, and yours do not.

It would seem that you are unfamiliar with the "science" part of the science forum that you find yourself in. Perhaps you would be more comfortable preaching in the Exploring Christianity forum.

Have it your way bergerking

Does working at Burger King actually make you a king?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I didn't say that - I said false dichotomy. It seems you are always falling back on fallacious arguments.

Yah you said that - and said many things, problem is it's all just belief on your part - with as I said no substance. Anyone can make claims - now prove it's false dichotomy.

Not at all. It just does not seem coherent to me.

Indeed, what science have you presented here?

My post contained several links, you just failed to look at any of them or read them. And what science have you presented in defense of your belief that it makes no sense? None?

Your claims - I am only here to observe.

We have been through that falsehood already. Your here to judge using your own pre-conceived beliefs - with no interest in expanding your knowledge.

 

[dlamberth]

Reality, history, the meaning of life...everything.

Your offering up three completely different things there.

Reality - it's what I know and experience in life. My reality is mine and mine alone.

History - There's cosmic history of the universe. There's the history of the solar system. There's the history of the earth, with it's biosphere which birthed consciousness. There are so many different levels of history.

The meaning of life - Like Reality, that's an individual thing. My perspective is so that the Universe can be aware of itself. But in my reality I'm unable to separate the Divine Presence from the Universe...it's all One to me. To put it another way with my Lover of God hat on, the meaning of life is so that God can be aware of Himself.

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[Michael]

Not even reading my posts.

Sure I am, but you aren't always clear, and I since I'm human, I sometimes miss a point or two occasionally as well.

You are confusing ability with authority. You may be of the opinion that the people that run your country lack the ability to run it (the way you would like to see it run), but that doesn't mean they lack the authority to run it.

That is why my statements were not fallacious.

If that's you're reasoning, then you're definitely pulling an appeal to authority fallacy, and then insisting that I either agree with the or leave the country! Kinda like redneck philosophy 101 I guess.

You also simply ignore the fact that they have no real "expertise" in their own field since they've botched DM 'predictions' 100 percent of the time in the lab to date, and their "standard candles' turn out to be less than "standard" too. Last year they couldn't tell ordinary dust from gravity waves and evidence inflation! How can they possibly be "experts" when even their misuse of MHD theory is based upon pure *pseudoscience* according to the author of MHD theory?

Sheesh. They not only lack expertise in their own model, they use pseudoscience to describe the movements of the 5 percent of their theory that actually could be based on real physics. Oy Vey. What experts? What authority? What *ability*? It's all hype and no real empirical physics.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Yes, you are quite smug...for someone living in the shadows who has peeked out to see what all the commotion is.

That IS what you are doing, isn't it? I mean, if someone doesn't partake of something, they usually avoid it. I'm that way with sports. Never peeked into a stadium. They do sell beer...but they don't here, so maybe you could explain what it is you are doing here.

I see only two possibilities: 1) You're a sniper, a coward, taking potshots, 2) Secretly...you'd really like to play ball. Which is it?

He's here just to cause discontent - thinking he is witty when in reality it's just dull. Which is why he avoids all discussion of science.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

All of which you are making up. Besides, this thread isn't about your obsession with nonsense you don't even understand. Please find something on topic.

Oh no, you started the discussion of electricity - afraid to finish it because your lack of knowledge will show?

So I am making up that every one of mainstream models were all wrong when we got to the division between interplanetary and galactic space?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliosphere#Heliopause

""The IBEX results are truly remarkable! What we are seeing in these maps does not match with any of the previous theoretical models of this region."

And so just what theoretical model are you using to claim anyone else is wrong besides models already falsified? Ignore the truth all you like Loud, won't change the fact you are ignoring it.

 

[dlamberth]

Beliefs do not affect reality.

Actually, beliefs can affect a person's reality.

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[bhsmte]

Actually, beliefs can affect a person's reality.

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Better description would be; a person's individual need to believe something, will indeed impact their perception of reality.

 

[Davian]

Yah you said that - and said many things, problem is it's all just belief on your part - with as I said no substance.

Where did I assert my beliefs as truth?

Anyone can make claims - now prove it's false dichotomy.

You said, "So let's test that theory against the known sciences shall we?" - that is your false dichotomy; if you want to avoid the false dichotomy, have your "theory" stand (gasp!) on its own merit, without having to make any comparisons.

My post contained several links, you just failed to look at any of them or read them.

Let me know when you get past the false dichotomy phase in your life.

And what science have you presented in defense of your belief that it makes no sense? None?

lol. That is not a 'belief'.

We have been through that falsehood already. Your here to judge using your own pre-conceived beliefs - with no interest in expanding your knowledge.

And here I thought you had run out to get batteries for that fancy hat of yours.

Mind-Reading Hat

• Davian
• Jul 30, 2015

You fail again at that mind-reading trick.

 

[dlamberth]

Better description would be; a person's individual need to believe something, will indeed impact their perception of reality.

Just looking at my own self, I've had beliefs that have impacted my reality, but is wasn't something I "NEEDED" to believe. I just believed it. And my reality changed.

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[Davian]

Sure I am, but you aren't always clear, and I since I'm human, I sometimes miss a point or two occasionally as well.

"Occasionally". lol.

If that's you're reasoning, then you're definitely pulling an appeal to authority fallacy, and then insisting that I either agree with the or leave the country!

You misrepresent what I said. I never said you had to agree or leave.

Kinda like redneck philosophy 101 I guess.

You also simply ignore the fact that they have no real "expertise" <snip>

Your opinion of their expertise is irrelevant to my point.

 

[Davian]

He's here just to cause discontent

Were you hoping that these forums would act as an echo chamber for your opinions?

- thinking he is witty when in reality it's just dull.

Everyone's a critic.

Which is why he avoids all discussion of science.

My exchanges with Scott have not involved science so far.

 

[Davian]

Actually, beliefs can affect a person's reality.

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Do you think that a teenager's belief that they are indestructible would carry them safely across a busy highway at night with their eyes closed?

 

[Davian]

Just looking at my own self, I've had beliefs that have impacted my reality, but is wasn't something I "NEEDED" to believe. I just believed it. And my reality changed.

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You mean, your perception of reality.