Native American Exile: Illegal Immigration Laws toward Mexico harm American Indians

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Sounds like the government just loves to laugh at NDN reservation sovereignty. This is why I always question if such a thing even exists, because it sounds like they really don't have any sort of separation from the united states.
There have been other accounts coming out on the issue which make a world of difference when it comes to tribal sovereignty - as was the case with the Colorado Pueblos
 
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Gxg (G²), I have been thinking a lot about your thread over the weekend and how I can continue to contribute to it. I think it is very important to keep it going and continue to bring awareness to the many issues the indigenous people of Turtle Island have endured and are still having to face today.
 
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You would think that folks from other countries would be free to live on reservations in america at the discretion of the tribe that rules it, but I am not sure of how autonomous legally the reservations are from the US law of the land.
Where the connections are present, there's emphasis on the fact that "illegal" is often a misapplication..

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This is one of my favorite memes on the anti-immigration issue.

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That one really stands out to me strongly...I wonder if Native Americans will ever be honored on the issue..
 
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Gxg (G²), I have been thinking a lot about your thread over the weekend and how I can continue to contribute to it. I think it is very important to keep it going and continue to bring awareness to the many issues the indigenous people of Turtle Island have endured and are still having to face today.
Thank you, RedFox, for the encouragement you offered - Native American/Indigenous cultures are something very dear to my heart and it is something I am glad to bring awareness to...especially as it concerns immigration issues. If you have anything you would like to bring up on the subject (as it concerns the political) with Native Americans, it's more than cool to bring it up ....
 
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That one really stands out to me strongly...I wonder if Native Americans will ever be honored on the issue..

Some will, some will not. I think it will depend on the one you are currently talking to. Speaking only for myself, I'm not honored to be called an american.
 
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Thank you, RedFox, for the encouragement you offered - Native American/Indigenous cultures are something very dear to my heart and it is something I am glad to bring awareness to...especially as it concerns immigration issues. If you have anything you would like to bring up on the subject (as it concerns the political) with Native Americans, it's more than cool to bring it up ....

You're most welcome, my friend. I will do what I can to help you.
 
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Some will, some will not. I think it will depend on the one you are currently talking to. Speaking only for myself, I'm not honored to be called an american.
If you're not honored to call yourself an American, then how would you think America can truly he honorable?






 
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I don't think america is honorable and I cannot honor it or else I would be dishonoring my people and my ancestors. I would like to point out that this is how I feel and that I'm not speaking for all NDNs. I know NDNs who honor america and NDNs, who like me, despise america and its ideals. As I said, it depends on the NDN you speak to.
 
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I don't think america is honorable and I cannot honor it or else I would be dishonoring my people and my ancestors. I would like to point out that this is how I feel and that I'm not speaking for all NDNs. I know NDNs who honor america and NDNs, who like me, despise america and its ideals. As I said, it depends on the NDN you speak to.
I can understand what you have said on the issue, as I also think the U.S. is not truly honorable on many issues of NDNs identity. I think what happens on both sides is that there is a desire for solutions - be it those appreciating America at various points or others who say they dislike all things pertaining to America (as in the United States) - both sides having to live with the reality that it takes being a citizen of the U.S. and living within certain limitations or boundaries in order to make a difference (lest of course people place themselves outside the realm of actually being effective where you're considered something like treason).

Seeing that both sides want to make a difference, I think it's important - as it concerns this thread in its focus - to have solutions rather than just complaints on what is wrong. I've seen many NDNs who are very much anti-America and yet they still offer solutions for what they think should happen in order to fix what they feel are wrongs - or practical ways of ensuring that positive change happens for Native Americans instead of just saying "America is bad!!!" as if that helps NDNs....in the same way that NDNs who are patriotic know that simply saying "America needs to acknowledge the wrongs done to Native Americans and remember where they helped America" isn't the same as giving a clear path on how to accomplish that.

Thus, regardless of stance, what matters here is giving actual solutions to issues since it really isn't enough to dislike America (whether doing so as a patriot or one not passionate for America) when it comes to Native American problems. Solutions have to be laid out practically...

If one feels America has horrible ideals, it would beneficial to lay out practically what kind of ideals it should have in order to be a nation one would feel is truly honorable. If one feels America is off, it helps to know practically how things can be fixed or what plans can be laid out for things to come together....

In one example, this happened recently when it was the case that Congress planned on giving Native American lands to foreign mining company with new NDAA

Knowing that there need to be practical solutions, I am interested on how to combat those issues since I know that my dislike alone will not solve the problem...
 
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I honestly don't have any solutions to this issue other than holding on to my culture and my heritage, and honoring my people and my ancestors while I walk the Red Road, and then teaching my children (and future grandchildren) to do the same. I do whatever I can to honor my NDN identity in my daily life.
 
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I honestly don't have any solutions to this issue other than holding on to my culture and my heritage, and honoring my people and my ancestors while I walk the Red Road, and then teaching my children (and future grandchildren) to do the same. I do whatever I can to honor my NDN identity in my daily life.

Even your own culture and heritage has customs or principles as it concerns how a nation should conduct itself - thus meaning that one trying to address issues through culture and heritage knows that their culture and heritage is a solution. How does your culture address the issues of today in ways that you feel the U.S needs to validate in order to be successful?
 
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Mexico liberalized their immigration laws in 2011, in part to encourage the immigration of American retirees which has become a growing business in Latin America.
Even prior to 2011, Mexico already had a very diverse culture due to immigration - if keeping up with things such as the history of the Afro-Mexicans...





And prior to that, as it concerns the experience of Mexican immigrants...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_YHO9FTwQ



 
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I honestly don't have any solutions to this issue other than holding on to my culture and my heritage, and honoring my people and my ancestors while I walk the Red Road, and then teaching my children (and future grandchildren) to do the same. I do whatever I can to honor my NDN identity in my daily life.
On the issue of solutions, there is one organization I've enjoyed which I think you'd appreciate - from the Native American Land Conservancy (NALC), more at Indian Land Tenure:


Many other ways people are helping to take care of Turtle Island from a Native American perspective....

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And thankful for others ensuring the land is cared for ....
http://www.turtleisland.org/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=7162
 
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Even your own culture and heritage has customs or principles as it concerns how a nation should conduct itself - thus meaning that one trying to address issues through culture and heritage knows that their culture and heritage is a solution. How does your culture address the issues of today in ways that you feel the U.S needs to validate in order to be successful?

I don't know how to answer your question, but what I do know is that I want the non-Native americans who exploit my culture for sports entertainment and profit to leave my culture alone and stop their exploitation of my people. I also want these same non-Native americans to stop dehumanizing my people by racially stereotyping us and our culture. I don't want the united states to validate anything about my culture or treat my people like animals and tell us to register so we can prove that we are in fact NDN through our blood quantum status. No other minority race has to register with the united states government to prove their blood quantum status in order to be federally recognized. The united states government only requires horses and dogs to be proven that the animals are pure blood and then these animals are registered as pure blood, and when their blood status is proven, they then have value. Well, I am not an animal and I won't register my blood quantum to be recognized or to be treated with human dignity and not like some mixed breed animal of no value. I don't want any money from the united states government or from the nations of my ancestors just because I am NDN and I must prove it. The government of the united states can keep its blood money, because I don't want it. I don't need to register with the nations of my ancestors or feel I must prove to anyone that I am an NDN and be recognized as an NDN just because I have one of their little government cards. I know who I am, I know where I come from, and I know who my people are, and I don't need to prove that to anyone, least of all to this government or to anyone groveling at the feet of this government.
 
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I don't know how to answer your question, but what I do know is that I want the non-Native americans who exploit my culture for sports entertainment and profit to leave my culture alone and stop their exploitation of my people.
They are not going to, however, simply because of dislike for it - so practically, what can be done?
I also want these same non-Native americans to stop dehumanizing my people by racially stereotyping us and our culture.
Very true - I'd wonder what would be the most practical way of ensuring that happens and helping others to see what that means.
I don't want the united states to validate anything about my culture
If they don't validate, they are going to do opposite with continued dehumanization or stereotypes.

Unless we choose to be separatist and renounce American citizenship (as I'm assuming you are a legal citizen), there are terms we're operating on that go for America.
or treat my people like animals and tell us to register so we can prove that we are in fact NDN through our blood quantum status. No other minority race has to register with the united states government to prove their blood quantum status in order to be federally recognized. The united states government only requires horses and dogs to be proven that the animals are pure blood and then these animals are registered as pure blood, and when their blood status is proven, they then have value. Well, I am not an animal and I won't register my blood quantum to be recognized or to be treated with human dignity and not like some mixed breed animal of no value.

The Blood Tests are a tricky thing indeed, seeing how many NDN have advocated against others simply claiming Native American ancestry and yet not being blood connected...


And the Tribal Disenrollment dynamic is tied to that....as seen, for example, when documented Saponi descendants were DENIED enrollment in the 3 state recognized Saponi tribes, yet those same 3 tribes themselves can not show documentation to the Saponi.

I don't want any money from the united states government or from the nations of my ancestors just because I am NDN and I must prove it. The government of the united states can keep its blood money, because I don't want it. I don't need to register with the nations of my ancestors or feel I must prove to anyone that I am an NDN and be recognized as an NDN just because I have one of their little government cards.
I know who I am, I know where I come from, and I know who my people are, and I don't need to prove that to anyone, least of all to this government or to anyone groveling at the feet of this government.
Perhaps its just me...but I find it odd that (as it seems) when someone wants nothing to do with the U.S - yet speaks against the U.S. and ask it to cease certain actions/behaviors if they want nothing to do with it and yet live in it

Also, as the Tribal nations already have it where today registering is a part of how they keep Tribal Sovereignty, it would seem contradictory to not register if one wants to support the Tribes as they do things. AIM has noted that before - and it makes a difference when it comes to the concept of doing work with the U.S if advocating for Native Americans:



It's hard, for example, to deal with things such as trying to make a Keystone Pipeline be illegal across Native American land when Native Americans may say they don't want anything to do with the U.S. - for that means there'd be no need to resist the U.S. Of course, because they live in the country, there's the realization that they have to get involved practically:
http://www.commondreams.org/news/20...-no-keystone-xl-pipeline-will-cross-our-lands

And likewise, when it comes to the OP issue of immigration and Indigenous Peoples, one cannot be a part of the process of legally protesting immigration discrimination if they are not willing to be a part of the U.S. in some capacity - that would be limiting...


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I don't know how to answer your question, but what I do know is that I want the non-Native americans who exploit my culture for sports entertainment and profit to leave my culture alone and stop their exploitation of my people. I also want these same non-Native americans to stop dehumanizing my people by racially stereotyping us and our culture. I don't want the united states to validate anything about my culture or treat my people like animals and tell us to register so we can prove that we are in fact NDN through our blood quantum status. No other minority race has to register with the united states government to prove their blood quantum status in order to be federally recognized. The united states government only requires horses and dogs to be proven that the animals are pure blood and then these animals are registered as pure blood, and when their blood status is proven, they then have value. Well, I am not an animal and I won't register my blood quantum to be recognized or to be treated with human dignity and not like some mixed breed animal of no value. I don't want any money from the united states government or from the nations of my ancestors just because I am NDN and I must prove it. The government of the united states can keep its blood money, because I don't want it. I don't need to register with the nations of my ancestors or feel I must prove to anyone that I am an NDN and be recognized as an NDN just because I have one of their little government cards. I know who I am, I know where I come from, and I know who my people are, and I don't need to prove that to anyone, least of all to this government or to anyone groveling at the feet of this government.
It sounds like what you want to do is undo the damage done. The fact that you don't have any specific plan for the future is not a bad thing at all. Making a plan without addressing the underlying issues isn't a good plan.
 
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It sounds like what you want to do is undo the damage done. The fact that you don't have any specific plan for the future is not a bad thing at all. Making a plan without addressing the underlying issues isn't a good plan.

Thank you for your input, my friend. I am frustrated, but I choose not to turn a blind eye and ignore the problems and social injustices my people are facing today or have faced in the past because I do not like America or any of its ideals.

I choose to be a warrior for my people and stand up for them in any way I can, but I won't go out of my way to prove that I am NDN just to be recognized as one, especially not by the united states government.

I will not give into being registered by my blood quantum status and then tagged by a piece of government paper, proving that I am in fact NDN. I will not be tagged like an animal.
 
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