Wisdom and Knowledge needed!!

[Paul1771]

I need some old Christians that have been studying the Word of God for white some time now. You're really gonna need it.
Well to start as we all know the book of revelation it's Symbolic, Literally, Spiritually and Prophetic. So to understand this, we really need a lot of knowledge and the spirit of God to give it the right interpretation and not our own.

Ok today I would like for you guys to share your knowledge on this verses,

Revelation 3:14-18 but the key verse that I really want for you guys to help explain is verse 18th.


Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

 

[disciple1938]

James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not: and it shall be given him."

 

[timewerx]

Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

God is saying an "all or nothing" obedience of God's commandments here.

You should either be hot - passionate to do all of God's commandments or cold - if you cannot follow even just some of God's commandment or show no passion in following the rest or in serving God, then don't proclaim to be a believer/Christian at all or suffer the severe punishment assigned for the hypocrites

However, if you can only follow some of God's commandments and is not passionate on serving God and obeying His commandments perhaps because something else is more interesting to you, a hobby perhaps, maybe even your career, or your family, your wealth/possessions, a desire to be recognized or even fame, etc.. and you still claim to be a Christian - this is what being lukewarm is all about. You claim and try to look to be hot but inside is cold, mix the two and you get lukewarm.

3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

That is how any unbeliever(even many Christians too) would have said it if they are abundant in material possessions, friends, families, opportunities, etc on Earth.

But Jesus quite many times taught with persistence that matters of the flesh (world) - you guess it - material possessions, worldly relations and opportunities, things that looks good to the flesh, satisfy lusts of the flesh, all amount to nothing (John 6:--)

What (worldly) men esteem are detestable to God (Luke 16:15)

The world (flesh), pride of what you do, and its desires passes away but those who abide in God lives (1 John 2:15-17)

If you only got abundance in material wealth, lots of friends, a "trophy family", respect and adoration, lots of opportunities BUT you don't do the Will of God and abide by the Truth, you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked...

...Because you only possess things that perish and you can't bring with you on your deathbed. In death, you'll be miserable. Also be careful in how you esteem worldly things. Jesus was persistent on how useless they can be and there's a great sin for keeping things that are useless in relation to doing God's Will

3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

In a nutshell, this means abide by the Truth, be blameless (as pure as gold tried in fire), be righteous (as the white raiment) pray for the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to the Truth and do the Will of God so you will have true riches that will not perish.

However, it will cost you dearly to abide by the Truth, to live a blameless, righteous life and to do the Will of God. That is why God said "buy of me" it will cost you your worldly friends, worldly relations, respect and adoration, and even opportunities. You might lose them all. You will certainly lose the love of this world (James 4:4)

 

[Norah63]

How about a reply back Paul, if those two good posts helped you.

 

[he-man]

but the key verse that I really want for you guys to help explain is verse 18th.
3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

It should be plain but here goes:
gold tried in the fire is symbolical of being purified being tried by God.
Being Rich by the grace of eternal life.
white raiment is the result of being purified.
shame of thy nakedness is cleansing away your earthly body of sins
anoint thine eyes with eyesalve which is the Holy Spirit by which you are anointed; 2Co 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
see also John 9:6-11

 

[Ishraqiyun]

I believe the gold may be awareness and conscious living. The white color of the raiment is most likely representative of purity and is the clothing of the spiritual/noetic body of light created while living here in this world through spiritual work. This clothing/body or vehicle makes possible integrated survival and immortality after the death of the carnal body. The grace and divinizing energy of Christ is the key to obtaining it.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

the writer wants gold, tried in the fire, to make other people rich. And he wants people to buy him white clothes, so that other people can wear them, and not be ashamed of being naked, and anoint their eyes with eyesalve so that they may see. That's what that means.

3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

the whole of Revelation is based on works. God is going to vomit the Laodiceans out of his mouth. If God did vomit the Laodiceans out, he did it 2000 years ago, and that has nothing to do with anything now, as performance based worship is not what Christian faith is about.

 

[fatboys]

It should be plain but here goes:
gold tried in the fire is symbolical of being purified being tried by God.
Being Rich by the grace of eternal life.
white raiment is the result of being purified.
shame of thy nakedness is cleansing away your earthly body of sins
anoint thine eyes with eyesalve which is the Holy Spirit by which you are anointed; 2Co 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
see also John 9:6-11

I like this one

 

[Look Up]

Laodicea lay in the Lycus valley favorably situated between Mediterranean coast and inland Anatolian plain to make it a good spot for trade. The area was also troubled by earthquakes and was volcanic, hence the hot medicinal springs of neighboring Hierapolis and the devastating earthquake of A.D. 60, following which the city apparently refused the usual Roman support, proudly rebuilding from its own capital resources as ostentatious construction of the period shows.

An aqueduct heavily layered with calcium carbonate deposits (cross sections still exist) evidently carried warm, unpalatable, but drinkable waters to the city. The area generally was known for eye salves, and pre-60 Laodicean coinage--banking was one of the city's trades--depicts an area physician known for writing on ophthamology. Apparently the city was known for black wool.

Colossae was ten miles distant from Laodicea and the letter of Paul to the church at Colossae was probably known to the church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16) as well as to John. Probably the Jewish syncretistic sect and incipient Gnosticism evident at Colossae was also present in Laodicea (cf. "the Amen ... the beginning of God's creation" in Rev. 3:14 with Col. 1:15, 18--and cf Rev. 3:17 with Col. 1:27 & 2:2-3, Rev. 3:21 with Col. 3:1). But materialistic hedonism and self-satisfaction ("You say, 'I am rich ... I need nothing'" 3:17) also seems prevalent at Laodicea rather than the ascetic strain apparent at Colossae ("do not touch, do not taste").

As Hierapolis was known for its hot waters, Colossae was known for its cold. That metaphorically speaking Laodicea was neither hot nor cold when both are useful implies that the works of the church at Laodicea were ineffective (to Jesus). The people were materially wealthy but unaware of (blind to) their spiritual poverty, partly in that their doctrine was probably syncretistic (as at Colossae), a mix of Christian and Jewish and pagan in a way that blended in comfortably with Laodicean culture rather than confronted it with the gospel of Jesus.

In John's Apocalypse (Revelation), white garments (3:18 cf. 1:14 and Dan 7:19) are the clothing of the heavenly kingdom (4:4, 19:4), are made white by washing in the blood of the Lamb (7:14) and are given to the saints by God (6:11), or as in 19:8, the Bride of Christ (the church) is granted (by God) to clothe herself in fine linen (i.e., white linen) which "is the righteous deeds of the saints." Nakedness in the Bible apparently since Adam has been associated with shame, later often shame associated with abject poverty.

For the above I borrow heavily from the late Colin J. Hemer in his The Letters to the Seven Churches of Asia in Their Local Settings.

The gold (cf. Isaiah 55:1, Matt. 13:44, 25:9) the glorified Christ exhorts the Laodicean church to buy from Him is purged of impurities ("refined by fire") and may represent the kingdom of God similar to Gospels language or to the righteousness obtained by washing one's garments in the blood of the Lamb; Christ offers what is truly valuable in contrast to mere material riches. "Buying" (3:18) this gold and repenting (v. 19) may be synonymous.

 

[fatboys]

Laodicea lay in the Lycus valley favorably situated between Mediterranean coast and inland Anatolian plain to make it an good spot for trade. The area was also troubled by earthquakes and was volcanic, hence the hot medicinal springs of neighboring Hierapolis and the devastating earthquake of A.D. 60, following which the city apparently refused the usual Roman support, proudly rebuilding from its own capital resources as ostentatious construction of the period shows.

An aqueduct heavily layered with calcium carbonate deposits (cross sections still exist) evidently carried warm, unpalatable, but drinkable waters to the city. The area generally was known for eye salves, and pre-60 Laodicean coinage--banking was one of the city's trades--depicts an area physician known for writing on ophthamology. Apparently the city was known for black wool.

Colossae was ten miles distant from Laodicea and the letter of Paul to the church at Colossae was probably known to the church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16) as well as to John. Probably the Jewish syncretistic sect and incipient Gnosticism evident at Colossae was also present in Laodicea (cf. "the Amen ... the beginning of God's creation" in Rev. 3:14 with Col. 1:15, 18--and cf Rev. 3:17 with Col. 1:27 & 2:2-3, Rev. 3:21 with Col. 3:1). But materialistic hedonism and self-satisfaction ("You say, 'I am rich ... I need nothing'" 3:17) also seems prevalent at Laodicea rather than the ascetic strain apparent at Colossae ("do not touch, do not taste").

As Hierapolis was known for its hot waters, Colossae was known for its cold. That metaphorically speaking Laodicea was neither hot nor cold when both are useful implies that the works of the church at Laodicea were ineffective. The people were materially wealthy but unaware of (blind to) their spiritual poverty, partly in that their doctrine was probably syncretistic (as at Colossae), a mix of Christian and Jewish and pagan in a way that blended in comfortably with Laodicean culture rather than confronted it with the gospel.

In John's Apocalypse (Revelation), white garments (3:18 cf. 1:14 and Dan 7:19) are the clothing of the heavenly kingdom (4:4, 19:4), are made white by washing in the blood of the Lamb (7:14) and are given to the saints by God (6:11), or as in 19:8, the Bride of Christ (the church) is granted (by God) to clothe herself in fine linen (i.e., white linen) "which is the righteous deeds of the saints." Nakedness in the Bible apparently since Adam has been associated with shame, later often shame associated with abject poverty.

For the above I borrow heavily from the late Colin J. Hemer's The Letters to the Seven Churches of Asia in Their Local Settings.

The gold (cf. Isaiah 55:1, Matt. 13:44, 25:9) the glorified Christ exhorts the Laodicean church to buy from Him is purged of impurities ("refined by fire") and may represent the kingdom of God similar to Gospels language or the righteousness obtained by washing one's garments in the blood of the Lamb; Christ offers what is truly valuable in contrast to mere material riches. "Buying" (3:18) this gold and repenting (v. 19) may be synonymous.

I like this one too.

 

[Paul1771]

How about a reply back Paul, if those two good posts helped you.

I will reply back later brother. Just now I had some time to check how the thread is going. So far looks good.
I posted this before I fall asleep I was almost sleeping lol I did it at night so I can get some responses before all day for some of you guys. I been at work since 6am so I haven't had time. In a few hours I will though, I will post later on.

Bless brother!

 

[Paul1771]

All of you guys do know that Laodicea represents The Last Times in which we living today right?

If you guys agree let's continue and move on from there.......

 

[Look Up]

All of you guys do know that Laodicea represents The Last Times in which we living today right?

If you guys agree let's continue and move on from there.......

Years ago I heard outlined the theory that the letters to the seven churches of Asia Minor in the opening chapters of John's Apocalypse represent seven consecutive ages of the church from Jesus' First to Second Advent (or something like that). One may term it a "church history" interpretation of the early chapters of Revelation.

More reasonably in my view, there is too much overlap of application from all seven letters to church history at most or many times to make the solely sequential correspondence between the letters to the seven churches and someone's idea of seven sequential and chronological divisions imposed on church history since the apostolic era of value.

Clues in the text of the early chapters of Revelation make a "church history" interpretation esoteric and artificial and likely bypass or downplay immediate and plausible interpretations based on historical, grammatical and literary evidence. If the interpreter grapples with these first however, some safeguard may be had in my view, but if that is done carefully, I do not believe sufficient plausible evidence remains for the "church history" interpretation as a whole so that the view must rather be imposed on the text than drawn from it.

Further with respect to the OP, I would consider the "church history" interpretation a significant and controversial digression, and one in which I have little further interest.

Those who believe in the view are welcome to it. In itself the view may even be doctrinally benign unless perhaps the hermeneutics leads the reader astray more broadly, though thankfully I can recall no instance of this, as it may be restricted to the "church history" interpretation of the early chapters of Revelation alone.

And certainly spiritual application from the letter to the church at Laodicea in Rev. 3 to the modern church may be discovered and used with profit even independently of the "church history" interpretation ... among those who have ears to hear.

 

[he-man]

Years ago I heard outlined the theory that the letters to the seven churches of Asia Minor in the opening chapters of John's Apocalypse represent seven consecutive ages of the church.

First the word in verse 14 is congregation not "ANGEL"and the Incunabula creation implies when Jesus was born. Therefore the message is clear, I will vomit you out of my mouth unless you anoint your eyes with eye-salve, that you may be able see and therefore, repent.

Rev 3:14 And to announce to the congregation of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the *Incunabula creation of God;
* from L. incunabula (neut. plural) 'swaddling clothes, cradle'. © Oxford University Press, 2004
15 1 know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish that you were either cold or hot.
16 Thus because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of my mouth
17 Because you say: I am wealthy and have abundance and have need of nothing, and know not that you are wretched and pitiable and poor and blind and naked.
18 I counsel you to redeem of me gold tested by fire, from out of the fire, that you may have wealthiness; and a white garment, that you may be vested, and that the shame of your nakedness is not evident; in anointing your eyes with eye-salve, that you may be able see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

 

[timewerx]

All of you guys do know that Laodicea represents The Last Times in which we living today right?

If you guys agree let's continue and move on from there.......

I don't know but there are many parallels.

The vast majority of Christians today are indeed lukewarm and trust more in material possessions, worldly opportunities, worldly relations, than God.

While they keep saying, "God is my provider" they are only saying God's name in vain for their actions betray them. They get very angry if someone scratches their new Lexus (would a big scratch stop it from being a car or compromise safety and performance??), they put all sorts of security devices in their homes, they would be a lot more angry if their son or daughter flunked school than if they backslide in their faith. They work harder for money than for God, they would spend their money on a lot of redundant(useless) things than give it to the poor or for God's work. It's a very long list and I have to stop now..

They will say "we don't have to do what the early Church has done for times have changed now.."

Like we now laugh with those who say the Lord's name in vain, be proud of sins like fornication, don't care if we cause others to sin because of very little clothing or seductive behavior, be proud of wasting money on the newest "toys" in neglect of God, listen to music about fornicating, follow the ways of the world, be friends with the world (James 4:4). Again the list is very long on how changing times have corrupted the church.

Times have changed for the worse, it became more evil because Satan is the god of this world. Serve him and you'll have riches, fame, and glory, the "good life" in this world as many many Christians are doing, tragically!

You don't need to be a satanist to serve satan, all you have to to do is to believe a lie and/or live in ignorance of the Truth.

Our world is perishing and with it Satan. If you hope in anything in the world even if it's just little, you will perish with it.

 

[Paul1771]

I don't know but there are many parallels.

The vast majority of Christians today are indeed lukewarm and trust more in material possessions, worldly opportunities, worldly relations, than God.

While they keep saying, "God is my provider" they are only saying God's name in vain for their actions betray them. They get very angry if someone scratches their new Lexus (would a big scratch stop it from being a car or compromise safety and performance??), they put all sorts of security devices in their homes, they would be a lot more angry if their son or daughter flunked school than if they backslide in their faith. They work harder for money than for God, they would spend their money on a lot of redundant(useless) things than give it to the poor or for God's work. It's a very long list and I have to stop now..

They will say "we don't have to do what the early Church has done for times have changed now.."

Like we now laugh with those who say the Lord's name in vain, be proud of sins like fornication, don't care if we cause others to sin because of very little clothing or seductive behavior, be proud of wasting money on the newest "toys" in neglect of God, listen to music about fornicating, follow the ways of the world, be friends with the world (James 4:4). Again the list is very long on how changing times have corrupted the church.

Times have changed for the worse, it became more evil because Satan is the god of this world. Serve him and you'll have riches, fame, and glory, the "good life" in this world as many many Christians are doing, tragically!

You don't need to be a satanist to serve satan, all you have to to do is to believe a lie and/or live in ignorance of the Truth.

Our world is perishing and with it Satan. If you hope in anything in the world even if it's just little, you will perish with it.

Love your explanation about the goods of this new Christian Era.
Though we need more explanation then just the goods.

 

[Paul1771]

Can all of you pls try to figured this out. Because each of these 5 things in verse 18 represents something.

1#The fine gold represents something.
2#The Garments
3# Shame of your nakedness
4# Anoint
5#Eyesalve

Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Anybody knows what those 5 represent?

 

[timewerx]

Can all of you pls try to figured this out. Because each of these 5 things in verse 18 represents something.

1#The fine gold represents something.
2#The Garments
3# Shame of your nakedness
4# Anoint
5#Eyesalve

Anybody knows what those 5 represent?

A few of us already explained to you. Are you saying you didn't read any of our previous replies?

 

[strangertoo]

I need some old Christians that have been studying the Word of God for white some time now. You're really gonna need it.
Well to start as we all know the book of revelation it's Symbolic, Literally, Spiritually and Prophetic. So to understand this, we really need a lot of knowledge and the spirit of God to give it the right interpretation and not our own.

Ok today I would like for you guys to share your knowledge on this verses,

Revelation 3:14-18 but the key verse that I really want for you guys to help explain is verse 18th.


Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

This one of my favourite paragraphs , it rocked me out of my chair first time I read it fifty years ago now , cos' I knew I was lukewarm and very ignorant of what Jesus was even about doing ...

But the key to this passage is either spirit baptism or to see what Jesus said about this world from his other words, in particular :-

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Clearly it is nonsense to Jesus that so many talk about peace on this earth, Jesus did not ever offer peace here except that one can have peace within by coming to accept Love of all in place of abusing folks with the ever-popular sinning for Satan...

Jesus' TASK set by God is to return and bring the FEW saints [Jude 1:14] to his kingdom come to eventually rule and minister there, not here :-

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world

note how FEW [Matt 7:13-14, Rev 7:3-8, Jude 1:14] and that the MANY of mass religion are DESTROYED [Matt 7:13] in the wrath of God against ALL sinners ... Jesus will take NONE who are still sinning , he says so :-

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

so be aware that Satan UNITES world religion BEFORE Jesus' return - Rev 13:3-4 , the whole world sinning except the FEW saints whom they PERSECUTE to death yet again [as throughout history , saints killed for 'heresy' against Satan's mass religion of sinners ] :-

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

understand then that Jesus cannot return until after Satan rules this earth [NWO?] , he has said so ... and Satan Himself manifests as a man in similar fashion to Logos manifesting as Jesus, they are the two covering cherubim at the throne of God , Jesus' task to save all mankind, Satan's task to TRIAL all who stop sinning to see if they are true or not , fit to be rulers in Jesus' kingdom or not...

that then is the DIVISION now of 'goats' from the 'lost sheep' of Israel [ Rev 7:3-8, Jer 31:31-34] ... Jesus has come to divide out His few who will rule and minister under him in his kingdom where billions are saved, BUT LATER [Rev 7:9-10] , not now! the kingdom has to be made ready first, a thousand years and a new earth after we destroyed this one's viability with uncaring sin of the lives of billions...

it is much easier to stop sinning and let God explain, but if one wants to try the hard way and likely fail then the only chance is to keep reading the WHOLE scripture and praying for understanding... for one can persuade God that one can teach sinners the Truth AFTER Jesus has left with the saints , an act of mercy on those left aghast that their sinner priests lied to them [as if they had a choice but to lie since all sinners serve Satan, not Christ]... if one is sincere but unwilling to stop all sin, then there is a role in conveying the Truth as men die in utter confusion as thsi world falls apart after Jesus leaves with the saints... it may be that more men will listen to the fulfilled scriptures of God in those truly terrible times, the worst time man will ever know -Matt 24... it is something to do if one does not make it to be with Christ at the first opportunity of the FEW saints ... remember MOST folks are not saved in this earth, they are destroyed Matt 7:13, yet all are freed from hell [hades] to be judged by works, not garce, works AFTER resurrection to the then completed kingdom of Jesus Christ, that is what it is FOR! -Rev 20:13, Rev 7:9-10 ...

thus the beautiful passage in question is simply stating that it is easier to divide men who are committed to Satan from those committed to Christ , than separating saints from the mixed-up confused masses of mass religion of sinners ...but indeed Jesus will spue out the masses of sinners, they are no use in Jesus' pure kingdom of Love, corruption has to ruthlessly excluded lest it grow as in this earth to consume the whole FOR NOTHING again...

Jesus CANNOT take any sinners , he has said so , believe him ! :-

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

the rich ARE complacent, but equally God knows they are in denial because they cannot face sharing, being Loving, yet their consciences tell them it is wrong what they do , they know and so they deny, lie to themselves...

Jesus pointed this out because some get envious of the rich, but the rich are in conflict within, they can never be happy no matter how much money they sit on and fail to share out freely ... Love has become alien to them, death alone will free most of them from sin -Romans 6:7 they will not know God until after resurrection when God can at last baptise all flesh as promised -Joel 2:28 ...

Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

compare this with the new covenant of grace itself given to Israel - Jer 31:31-34 ... then you may begin to understand that most of Israel never were Jews , but all are descendants of Jacob ... God's promises aren't fakes at all, it is mass religion of sinners under Satan that is the fake , even though the whole world will accept it ... the many can be wrong, and God says they will be destroyed for their denial of their Love BECAUSE the kingdom of Jesus is NOT ready yet to awaken Love in more than the FEW God requires to build and RUN Jesus' kingdom under him ... so the FEW are firts now, the many later are saved by the work of the few under Jesus as overall Lord COMMANDING Love, so no sin any more in saints or in his kingdom come [under pain of a second death for continued sin]

understand then that the House of Israel was scattered amongst ALL nations long before the Jews [House of Judah] , but read that God sent Jesus to find their children frm amongst the gentiles, living as gentiles... so msot saints seem to be gentiles today, but they are in fact all descendants of Jacob, God knows this, it is His words say so , His promise ...genetics may even yet prove the point... but for now suffice it to say that no Jew or gentile knows until spirit baptism [and few even know what that is!]

Jesus then will DIVIDE saints from sinners.... no sinners at all , and it is easier to divide the evil from saints than it is to divide the lukewarm from saints , but the lukewarm too will be spued out with the evil into the wrath of God after the day of the Lord ...

 

[he-man]

Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.