Global Flood

[dawiyd]

Genesis 1
"29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."

Ok, time to set some things straight. There was no Global Flood.

When the Hebrew declares "all" it does noy mean all, it means "all in the frame of discussion"

Just like when a person is discussing people in Yorkshire, and then declares "all, " obviously the person is not talking about all people alive, he/she is talking about all those within the frame of discussion.

The story about the flood is REGIONAL ONLY.

The Hebrew letters used are (O•L) (P•N•Y) (K•L) (H•E•R•Tz)

Genesis 1:29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

There isn't seed over all the earth, there are places that can't grow anything

First Samuel 30
"16 And when he had brought him down, behold, they were spread abroad upon all the earth, eating and drinking, and dancing, because of all the great spoil that they had taken out of the land of the Philistines, and out of the land of Judah."

The Israelites were NOT spread out over the entire planet at this time

Second Samuel 18
"8 For the battle was there scattered over the face of all the country: and the wood devoured more people that day than the sword devoured. "

Here, "ha'aretz" is translated as COUNTRY, not earth, nor land

Now, I am sure there are more cases, I simply don't want to take too long in setting this text up, so, there are at least 3 cases that "over the face of all the earth" is used for the REGION ONLY.

And people wonder why I take issue with Hebrew been translated to other languages.

 

[A4C]

Gen 1:1 In the beginning7225 God430 created1254(853) the heaven8064 and the earth.776
Gen 1:2 And the earth776 was1961 without form,8414 and void;922 and darkness2822was upon5921 the face6440 of the deep.8415 And the Spirit7307 of God430

Gen 1:29 And God430 said,559 Behold,2009 I have given5414 you (853) every3605 herb6212 bearing2232 seed,2233 which834 is upon5921 the face6440 of all3605 the earth,776 and every3605 tree,6086 in the which834 is the fruit6529 of a tree6086 yielding2232 seed;2233 to you it shall be1961 for meat.402

Gen 7:17 And the flood3999 was1961 forty705 days3117 upon5921 the earth;776 and the waters4325 increased,7235 and bore up5375 (853) the ark,8392 and it was lifted up7311 above4480, 5921 the earth.776
Gen 7:18 And the waters4325 prevailed,1396 and were increased7235 greatly3966 upon5921 the earth;776 and the ark8392 went1980 upon5921 the face6440 of the waters.4325
Gen 7:19 And the waters4325 prevailed1396 exceedingly3966, 3966 upon5921 the earth;776 and all3605 the high1364 hills,2022 that834were under8478 the whole3605 heaven,8064 were covered.3680
Gen 7:20 Fifteen2568, 6240 cubits520 upward4480, 4605 did the waters4325 prevail;1396 and the mountains2022 were covered.3680
Gen 7:21 And all3605 flesh1320 died1478 that moved7430 upon5921 the earth,776 both of fowl,5775 and of cattle,929 and of beast,2416 and of every3605 creeping thing8318 that creepeth8317 upon5921 the earth,776 and every3605 man:120
Gen 7:22 All3605 in whose nostrils639was the breath5397, 7307 of life,2416 of all4480, 3605 that834was in the dry2724land, died.4191
Gen 7:23 And (853) every3605 living substance3351 was destroyed4229 which834 was upon5921 the face6440 of the ground,127 both man,4480, 120 and5704 cattle,929 and5704 the creeping things,7431 and5704 the fowl5775 of the heaven;8064 and they were destroyed4229 from4480 the earth:776 and Noah5146 only389 remained7604alive, and they that834were with854 him in the ark.8392
Gen 7:24 And the waters4325 prevailed1396 upon5921 the earth776 a hundred3967 and fifty2572 days.3117

1Sa 30:16 And when he had brought him down,3381 behold,2009 they were spread abroad5203 upon5921, 6440 all3605 the earth,776 eating398 and drinking,8354 and dancing,2287 because of all3605 the great1419 spoil7998 that834 they had taken3947 out of the land4480, 776 of the Philistines,6430 and out of the land4480, 776 of Judah.3063

2Sa 18:8 For the battle4421 was1961 there8033 scattered6327 over5921 the face6440 of all3605 the country:776 and the wood3293 devoured398 more7235 people5971 that1931 day3117 than the sword2719 devoured.398




H776
ארץ
'erets
eh'-rets
From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world.




It seems to me that H776 has been correctly interpreted within the context that it has been used and is nothing to get alarmed about as if the Hebrew scholars might have got something wrong or something.

 

[AV1611VET]

Now, I am sure there are more cases, I simply don't want to take too long in setting this text up, so, there are at least 3 cases that "over the face of all the earth" is used for the REGION ONLY.

If the Flood was just a regional one, why was Noah and his family on it for over a year?

 

[rambot]

The flood and the Great Deluge share some very interesting similarities...very interesting indeed.

If the Flood was just a regional one, why was Noah and his family on it for over a year?

A "local" flood does not necessarily mean it was just one city. Assuming there WAS A local flood...it would have still covered an INCREDIBLY vast area and would still require a MASSIVE amount of time for the water to drain away.


A4C and dawiyd...source your quotes because.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/localflood.html
As provided in this link, the word Hebrew word "tebel" is a perfect word to describe a world wide event.

read this link. It provides a lot of interesting information.

 

[USincognito]

Here, "ha'aretz" is translated as COUNTRY, not earth, nor land

Off topic, but thanks. Now I know what the name of the Israeli newspaper means.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hi, Rambot

A "local" flood does not necessarily mean it was just one city. Assuming there WAS A local flood...it would have still covered an INCREDIBLY vast area and would still require a MASSIVE amount of time for the water to drain away.

Then why did Noah spend 120 years building the Ark? He had plenty of time to get away, if indeed the flood was just a regional one.

 

[A4C]

Manipulation of the Word of God in order that the manipulator might meet his own ends -a dangerous thing to do in the eyes of God-but perhaps the author already knows that and heeds it not.

 

[Abongil]

If the Flood was just a regional one, why was Noah and his family on it for over a year?

Look up Lake Bonneville. The Great Salt Lake is all that is left of it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Look up Lake Bonneville. The Great Salt Lake is all that is left of it.

Why?

Is that supposed to be in lieu of getting my questions answered?

IOW, that'll tell me why Noah was on the Ark for over a year, and why Noah spent 120 years building an Ark, instead of high-tailing it out of the region?

 

[KerrMetric]

There was no Ark. That was easy wasn't it. People don't live much over a century so nobody was constructing a boat for 120 years. That was easy too.

 

[AV1611VET]

There was no Ark. That was easy wasn't it. People don't live much over a century so nobody was constructing a boat for 120 years. That was easy too.

Why stop there? Let's just employ Occam's Razor and say "Noah didn't exist"?

Instead of cherry-picking the events in his life.

That would be easier, wouldn't it?

 

[A4C]

And what would be the point of collecting the animals if it was going to be local -they would have survived in the other regions then . And anyway 17000 feet up Mt. Ararat sure would be a heck of a "local" flood to start with (unless there is some sort of Bible manipulation that gets out of that one too)

 

[DArceri]

There was no Ark. That was easy wasn't it. People don't live much over a century so nobody was constructing a boat for 120 years. That was easy too.

Have you even read the old testiment? If you have, then do you believe it? People lived to be 900 years old. 120 years is nothing back then.

 

[AV1611VET]

And what would be the point of collecting the animals if it was going to be local -they would have survived in the other regions then . And anyway 17000 feet up Mt. Ararat sure would be a heck of a "local" flood to start with (unless there is some sort of Bible manipulation that gets out of that one too)

Good point --- and why did birds board the Ark, for that matter?

I have a book with a whole list of good questions that can't be answered if the Flood was just a local one.

 

[A4C]

As I have said -the Flood is the pivotal point of this whole C/E debate -it is no wonder that both "sides" want to "win"

 

[lemmings]

Good point --- and why did birds board the Ark, for that matter?

I have a book with a whole list of good questions that can't be answered if the Flood was just a local one.

I think I just had a case of deja vu, wasn't this refuted not even a week ago?!?

 

[Nooj]

I'll take the Torah over AIG anyday.

 

[Abongil]

Why?

Is that supposed to be in lieu of getting my questions answered?

IOW, that'll tell me why Noah was on the Ark for over a year, and why Noah spent 120 years building an Ark, instead of high-tailing it out of the region?

it was a massive regional flood where the flood waters stayed for nearly 10 months.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

As I have said -the Flood is the pivotal point of this whole C/E debate -it is no wonder that both "sides" want to "win"

It's already been won (sorry to disappoint):

The Impossible Voyage of Noah's Ark
by Robert Moore

 

[A4C]

it was a massive regional flood where the flood waters stayed for nearly 10 months.

Did global tidal influences stop for 10 months as well causing no other part of the planet to suffer 17000 feet of water extra on just one part of it ?