Your claim was that there was no evidence for CRT. I wondered how you came to that conclusion. I'm not interested in proving anything for you. I was just asking a question.
Ok? What does that have to do with national statistics? I think that is where you are confused. Because you were treated disrespectfully and had the book thrown at you, you may think it is not possible that others have had a different experience. I understand because personal experience IS valid as it relates to forming an opinion of what others may have experienced. I'm sure that many have. The thing with statistical data is they examine more than one person's personal experience. They expand the data to national or state statistics to see what is happening in the big picture. I think the other mistake that people make is it's all or nothing if it can't be proven that every single person of a certain demographic has been treated one one way there is NO proof. One must take a look at the wider picture and data mine all statistics available in order to see what the average is and what trends are apparent. Example, because you may not let race be a factor in your decision-making, it doesn't mean that others don't. At this stage in history, it is often a subtle prejudice based on a stereotype they believe to be true in their subconscious, it still affects their desition making often without even knowing it. That is what drives the system more than overt vengeful racism.
Ok this is exactly what I’ve been getting at. You just made this statement based on the articles you quoted…
And when I ask for a quote from the articles that supports this statement you can’t quote it, because it’s not provided in the article because it came from your imagination. I read the articles that’s why I asked for the quote because I noticed that it doesn’t actually give any examples of specific cases.
Of course it's plausible, That's why it has to be studied and factored out. What laws have been broken? Are they as rigorously enforced in white neighborhoods as in black? All those kinds of things have to be considered and taken into account.
Actually they do and it's your worldview that won't accept it.
Right, and the study looked at people of different colors being tried for the same crimes with similar backgrounds. Blacks receive harsher treatment across the board. that was one of the main points. That when people are tried for the same crime, with the same background. Blacks are treated more harshly across the board.
And they choose (on average, not all judges) to lay out harsher sentences to blacks even if it is within the parameters of the law. That;s why it;s difficult to win a case for discrimination. Judges are allowed to discriminate as long as they stay within sentencing guidelines.
Wrong, the system was built with mostly racist judges on the bench. You still seem to be confused about what a system is. You get enough indifferent judges and the system remains intact.
Not exactly, There don't have to be racist to be prejudiced. It's judges, police, prosecutors, public defenders, and the state's department of corrections that hold the pieces that build the big picture. We also have to stop saying that racism and prejudice is the same thing. As the article said, many are prejudiced and aren't aware of it because it is in their subconscious.
That's the article I posted so that's the article I quoted.
I can and I have, multiple times but you disregard it so fast that you don't even remember reading them.
It's very plausible, I don't think I said it wasn't Although paramilitary policing of black communities could be a factor along with every city has a "black neighborhood" where they can just pluck people off the street. They may commit more crime, that's not the only thing at issue. It;s the treatment of people when they are caught. Whites are more likely to get a warning only, and like I said, black receive harsher penalties for the same crime committed by people in the same situation.
Yes, indeed. We abolished slavery, ended Jim Crow, outlawed discrimination, all so that black people are free to live like white people. It's not our fault that they don't want to. And they're not even grateful.
Sorry they don't.
That what they say. But then they provided no proof of that.
Then why aren't these groups going g after these judges? I mean if the evidence is so overwhelming to prove that they are racist it shouldn't be that hard should it? I.mean it convinced you pretty easily.
Why don't you prove that. It should be easy enough. Find a judge where it can be proven he's racist by rhe sentences he hands out. They should be able to remove him from the bench.
Rhats ridiculous. You can't prove anything is in someone's subconscious. If they don't know it there, there is no way for you to either.
Yes we are a tribal group. But you are talking overt racism. For a judge to continuously hand out harsher sentences for blacks it's an overt racism.
According to your personal worldview (which isn't backed up by any evidence I must add). Just your personal opinion. No statistics to counter just you and your brain.
You already know I have and they have provided pages and pages of evidence. It's just your worldview can't accept it
It will never happen and it's not a slew of judges, it's the entire justice "system."
THere are and they do get settlements. The problem is that it's hard to prove racism especially with people like you on the jury who's worldview won't allow for racism to be a real thing. That's what makes it difficult to prosecute. You won't believe it so why would a lily white judge feel any different when his profession is under scrutiny? Judges will always protect other judges because if we find a flaw in one we can find a flaw in another so they need to cut it off at the knees.
I have but like I said, you just ignore any proof that doesn't agree with your worldview. Do you really need me to post more national statistics on how backs get the short end of the stick in every level of the justice system? You wouldn't believe anything I posted anyway because whether the statistics come from the government, a top university, or an activist group, you just dismiss it. why? Again, because it doesn't line up with your personal opinion. That is not objectively looking at facts that is dismissing facts to suit your personal opinion. It's wasted on you.
Maybe I'm mistaken and it's not so begnine an issue and is based on overt racism. I am willing to say it's often unintentional but if you say it's usually intentional racism, I believe you.
Again, I never said it was overt racism, I never said racism was the same as prejudice but if you believe most judges are overtly racist, I won't argue with you. I just wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Yes because I have one. Your world view looks at the statistics and because you think there is systemic racism you believe what the race activists tell you wga5vtfe statistics are saying. It's calked confirmation bias.
You provided statistics and things that race activists had to say. Your worldview believes whatever they tell you. You even do it in your arguments. Instead of pointing fingers at anyone specific it's always, it's everywhere. It's in the cops, in the prisecutors office , it's in the judges chair. And n9t in any one specific it all in thier heads when they don't even know it!
That's completely false. I do believe racism is a real thing. Individuals can be very racist. I've met some very racist people. It's just not in the system. The system us not built to be racist.
Right, because all the judges are a bunch of racists. That's a worldview.
Because the statistics don't tell the whole story. They never do. I believe the statistics, but I don't believe the conclusions race baiters draw from the statistics. Which is everyone in the justice system is racist.
See, I do believe racism exists. It's just not built into the system. Are there racists in the justice system. I'm sure there are. Just like there are racist doctors, electricians, salesmen, pilots, psychologists, janitors and teachers. So, if there is one in the justice system you should go after them instead of blaming the whole system as having racism as it's defining factor with a purposeful design to get black oe
No you don't. You are calling them racists. You are just trying to be nice about it. It's you who actually believe most are racists, not me. Some probably are. Most? No that's your world view.
So when there is a racial disparity show in every statistic across the board from the justice system, employment, housing conditions, education, and just about everything els plus considering this countrie's history you see no pattern? That is because you trust your opinion more that facts that you don't like
I didn't know the government was a race activist.
What was it built on racial equality and the elimination of class? You did take American history in school I assume. How about geography? Do you know that inequality exists everywhere? It can be based on race, language, class, economics. The inequality in this country is based on race and class as I am sure you have noticed, poor whites don't have it much better than blacks. Their saving grace is that they are white so the will be given the benefit of the doubt more often.
I didn't say all judges are racist, what I said was most people have prejudices and many aren't even aware of them.
What DO they tell.....perhaps what is happening? It's not just taking one statistic and developing a theory based on that one statistic but when you look at a wide range of statistics, a picture is painted. What would you trust more than a wide variety of statistical data? Perhaps a survey? That can paint a picture but is also not as accurate because people can always say what they think the survyer wants to hear. Statisitcs are raw data and one group of statistical data is not enough to paint an accurate picture of a trend but statistics collected from all areas of life showing the same trend does begin to paint a picture.
Slavery and Jim Crow were built into not only the legal system but into the fabric of our nation. You don't change a law and simultaneously change the culture of an entire nation.
Most people (like I said black and white) have some kind of prejudice and many don't know it's there.
Blacks and Hispanic do not want to be white. Well maybe Michel Jackson but that is another story. I am very glad that Blacks hate racism and are diligent NOT to be racist themselves.
I'm glad you brought that up because the "melting pot" is basically do your best to become a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. That's why Italians had a hard time when they came here and the Irish had a hard time, not to mention Jews and Arabs. When you are a WASP or want to be a WASP you have finally melted in the pot. Nowadays people keep the culture they came with which fundamentally make us more of a tossed salad. Different colors and flavors all coming together to make a healthy delicious salad.
White people are rapidly becoming a minority. There are 20 large cities that are more than 50% black.
White people do not want to be white. I have a Filipino wife and they think she is the perfect skin color. NOT to dark and not to light. At least that is the story she tells about the nurses at work.
