Stanford called out over man in Hamas headband 'terrorizing' Jewish students

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Joe should have sent in federal troops long ago. As to Stanford, Hamas is a terrorist organization, and those identifying as Hamas should be immediately seized.
 
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Joe should have sent in federal troops long ago. As to Stanford, Hamas is a terrorist organization, and those identifying as Hamas should be immediately seized.
Pro-HAMAS people exist and are legally allowed to exist. Somebody wearing HAMAS “gear” and shouting real loud isn‘t “terrorism”.
”Freedom of speech”, is messy sometimes.
 
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Pro-HAMAS people exist and are legally allowed to exist. Somebody wearing HAMAS “gear” and shouting real loud isn‘t “terrorism”.
”Freedom of speech”, is messy sometimes.
Hate crimes are against the law. Hamas is a designated terrorist organization. Police should at least detain and question them to see what their ties with Hamas or anti-Jewish organizations may be.
 
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Hate crimes are against the law. Hamas is a designated terrorist organization. Police should at least detain and question them to see what their ties with Hamas or anti-Jewish organizations may be.
Hate crimes are not charged as a “primary offense”, seeing as such a law would be unconstitutional on its face.
Yes, HAMAS has been designated a terrorist organization, but someone saying “I support HAMAS” doesn’t rise to the level of them being a de facto “HAMAS agent”.
Police should parse what people say to see if they are a terrorist? Police have to have “reasonable suspicion“ to initiate an investigation. Someone shouting slogans ain’t going to cut it.
 
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Pro-HAMAS people exist and are legally allowed to exist. Somebody wearing HAMAS “gear” and shouting real loud isn‘t “terrorism”.
”Freedom of speech”, is messy sometimes.

I don't remember where I heard this, but I like it: "Freedom is scary. Deal with it." Sometimes I need to be reminded of that fact.
 
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I don't remember where I heard this, but I like it: "Freedom is scary. Deal with it." Sometimes I need to be reminded of that fact.
What is the difference between left leaning students blocking access to Jewish Students at Universities today and

Left leaning students blocking access to black students at Universities in the 60's?
 
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What is the difference between left leaning students blocking access to Jewish Students at Universities today and

Left leaning students blocking access to black students at Universities in the 60's?


I am not sure.

It's probably about the same difference between right-wing Christian Nationalists of today and the ignorant, violent, hate-filled fascists of Europe in he 1920s through 1940s.
 
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Hate crimes are against the law.
Hate crimes were already explained.
What is the difference between left leaning students blocking access to Jewish Students at Universities today and

Left leaning students blocking access to black students at Universities in the 60's?
Ahhhh again.
It's the political label that is the MOST important attribute of a person...NOT their character.
 
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Joe should have sent in federal troops long ago. As to Stanford, Hamas is a terrorist organization, and those identifying as Hamas should be immediately seized.
Someone didn't like the green headband I guess.

Well, if htere's one reasonable response for not liking a greenhead band, it's to insist on punishment from a university for........making you feel scared of a green headband? I'm not sure I get it.
 
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Wearing anything that supports that terrorist organization is tantamount to supporting the murder of "the Jews" before October 7th and on October 7th and it is entirely reasonable for a Jewish student to be afraid of someone so brazen as to wear support for Hamas in public. Choosing to support Hamas is both a proof of character and politics. One can support Palestine and not Hamas (so I have been told....), but choosing to support Hamas is support for terror and aligns one with that ideology, to pretend otherwise is naïve.

Hamas Charter:
The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Hamas Charter, Article 7).
 
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Wearing anything that supports that terrorist organization is tantamount to supporting the murder of "the Jews" before October 7th and on October 7th and it is entirely reasonable for a Jewish student to be afraid of someone so brazen as to wear support for Hamas in public. Choosing to support Hamas is both a proof of character and politics. One can support Palestine and not Hamas (so I have been told....), but choosing to support Hamas is support for terror and aligns one with that ideology, to pretend otherwise is naïve.

Hamas Charter:
The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Hamas Charter, Article 7).
What one chooses to wear upon their own body is “speech”.
 
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Hate crimes were already explained.

Ahhhh again.
It's the political label that is the MOST important attribute of a person...NOT their character.
I was directly addressing their character - a racist is a racist and that is a character flaw - even if you self identify as Democratic. As in BOTH scenarios -

Particular note: Why didn't you answer the question?
 
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If you look like a terrorist - support the terroristic movement - shout terrorist slogans - you just might be a terrorist.

They should have the same reaction from the public and media as the KKK coming hooded and chanting to an LGBTQ event.
 
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"Intimidation" can be a criminal act, in which case it would not be lawful. But if we're talking about a lawful protest, then the fact that some people "feel intimidated" is not an adequate reason to deem the protest unlawful.

Separate from the legal aspects, these schools no doubt have Codes of Conduct and generally support wicked things like DEI. So if some of the protestors' conduct is sufficiently harassing to a particular chunk of the diverse and inclusive student body, there might be cause for administrative action from the schools.
 
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What are you talking about?
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to relive it.

Here is the Democratic Governor blocking the entrance to the University

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Here is the freedom of access when the National Guard stepped in, guaranteeing their rights


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Here are the self identifying leftist blocking the entrance for Jewish students:

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The only thing missing is the national guard to guarantee their rights.
 
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No. No you weren't. You IDENTIFIED them as "left leaners"...not as "racists".
Well, what do you call a person who discriminates based on race or religion?
 
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No. No you weren't. You IDENTIFIED them as "left leaners"...not as "racists".
Well, aren't they? Every time I turn around I hear white this white that and I don't care for it. Why judge me for the color of my skin? I'm not racist but with that rhetoric, a lot of Negros probably believe it.
 
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Here are the self identifying leftist blocking the entrance for Jewish students:

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The protestors at UCLA were gatekeeping the entrance to the encampment in Dickson Plaza to avoid conflict with counterprotestors (such as ultimately happened on the night of April 30th, when it was attacked). Eli Tsives was not prevented from going into any building. He had to alter his route to walk around the encampment.
 
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