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I can only go by what God’s word says

Rom 10: 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

God’s Word is the compass back to reconciliation, why it’s says it’s the light to our path Psa 119:105 We are all very fortunate to have the scriptures to be our guide. :) The Holy Spirit guides us to what the scriptures says John 14:26.
The hear by the word of God refers to the then a word the living word.

Remember the Pharisees had scripture abd could read and hear Jesus speak but they did not have his word abiding in them and could not hear his word, even though they heard him speak in the natural and read scripture.

He that hath ears to hear let him hear is referring to spiritual ears
 
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The hear by the word of God refers to the then a word the living word.

Remember the Pharisees had scripture abd could read and hear Jesus speak but they did not have his word abiding in them and could not hear his word, even though they heard him speak in the natural and read scripture.

He that hath ears to hear let him hear is referring to spiritual ears
Not sure why you keep bringing up the Pharisees as if they were following the scriptures. Jesus called them hypocrites, not because they were living by every Word, because they were following their own set of rules over God's Word and His commandments which Jesus condemned. You can read about it in Mark 7 and Mat 15. The noble on the other hand searched the scripture daily to make sure they were following it, unlike the Pharisees Acts 17:11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

The Greek word in Romans 10:17 is the same word Jesus used in Mat 4:4
Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
Matthew 4:4 N-DNS
GRK: ἐπὶ παντὶ ῥήματι ἐκπορευομένῳ διὰ
NAS: BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS
KJV: by every word that proceedeth out of
INT: by every word coming out of


The Spirit leads us to what God's Word says, if we have not harden our hearts to Him and His Truth Heb 3:7-8

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Thanks for the chat and God bless.
 
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Not sure why you keep bringing up the Pharisees as if they were following the scriptures. Jesus called them hypocrites, not because they were living by every Word, because they were following their own set of rules over God's Word and His commandments which Jesus condemned. You can read about it in Mark 7 and Mat 15. The noble on the other hand searched the scripture daily to make sure they were following it, unlike the Pharisees Acts 17:11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

The Greek word in Romans 10:17 is the same word Jesus used in Mat 4:4
Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
Matthew 4:4 N-DNS
GRK: ἐπὶ παντὶ ῥήματι ἐκπορευομένῳ διὰ
NAS: BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS
KJV: by every word that proceedeth out of
INT: by every word coming out of


The Spirit leads us to what God's Word says, if we have not harden our hearts to Him and His Truth Heb 3:7-8

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Thanks for the chat and God bless.
This is somewhat why I use the Pharisees. Today I have found many like this sadly who claim to go by scripture alone yet they do not hear Gods word in thier heart or have his word abiding in them.

John 5: 38. And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”
 
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This is somewhat why I use the Pharisees. Today I have found many like this sadly who claim to go by scripture alone yet they do not hear Gods word in thier heart or have his word abiding in them.

John 5: 38. And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”
Jesus never condemned anyone for following the scriptures, you are making an argument Jesus never made. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for following their traditions over obeying God's commandments. Jesus used interchangeably the Word of God with the commandments of God. Jesus said when we keep our rules overing obeying God and His commandments it is worshipping in vain and our hearts far from Him. You can read about it yourself in Mark 15 and Mark 7. Obedience and love is not a feeling, it is dedication and submission. A call to action. James 1:22 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Rev 22:14

Your proof test is not really helping your case regarding God's Word, because the scriptures are what testifies about Jesus. The Holy Spirit brings us to remember everything God said (through His Word) John 14:26. God's Spirit and God's Word work in harmony, they are not at odds.
 
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Jesus never condemned anyone for following the scriptures, you are making an argument Jesus never made.
Your building a straw man here against something I never said.

Jesus was exposing the Pharisees for thinking they had eternal life in the scriptures and making themselves teachers of the law and yet all along they did not recognize the living Word of God in front of them or have his word abiding into them. They could not understand his speech (even though they heard him speak) because they did not hear his word inwardly.

And today many are liked this also

“ 1 Timothy 1: 7. Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.”

And I was showing that many in the past did not have scripture yet and could still hear and be children of God born again by the word of God , the seed Christ sown in thier heart. Hebrews 11 and many more verses.

Yes, all scripture is profitable. But no scripture is understood unless people have thevSpirot to reveal them first.

Abraham had no scripture yet had the word the seed , Christ in him

Galatians 3: 16. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

the true Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world John 1:9 KJV
Jesus condemned the Pharisees for following their traditions over obeying God's commandments.
Jesus said

John 3: 18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”

I share this , but I don’t know if younweill understand this great mystery of Christ.
 
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Your building a straw man here against something I never said.

Jesus was exposing the Pharisees for thinking they had eternal life in the scriptures and making themselves teachers of the law and yet all along they did not recognize the living Word of God in front of them or have his word abiding into them. They could not understand his speech (even though they heard him speak) because they did not hear his word inwardly.
Can you quote the scripture Text, because Jesus never condemned anyone for following the scriptures. Do you understand the Pharisees were not following God's law? They were following their own law in lieu of God's law this is what Jesus condemned. Not for following the scriptures. I keep referencing Mat 15 and Mark 7. I highly suggest you read these chapters.

I’ll even leave it here for your reference….

Mat 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother,“Whatever profit you might have received from me isa gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father[a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”


Jesus did not condemn anyone for obeying God’s commandments. He condemned them for obeying their own laws in lieu of God’s law. Jesus tells us not to follow their same path of disobedience Mat 5:19-20
“ 1 Timothy 1: 7. Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.”
May I pull in the whole context…….Paul is not teaching that we should not teach from the scriptures, thats not at all what he is saying….

1 Tim 1:3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia—remain in Ephesus that you may [a]charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith. 5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from [b]sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

Paul is condemning those who do not follow the commandments and have strayed from the law but want to be teachers of the law. This is exactly what Jesus condemned if you would read Mat 15 and Mark 7.

How many do the same. Do not keep the commandments of God but want to be teachers of His Word. No wonder why Jesus warned so many false teachers coming in His name.

It’s one of the ways we can test someone’s teachings….

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
Yes, all scripture is profitable. But no scripture is understood unless people have thevSpirot to reveal them first.
Not according to the scripture…..faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Rom 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
The Holy Spirit helps us understand God’s Word- they work in harmony

No one receives the Holy Spirit if they are being disobedient to God. Acts 5:32 The Holy Spirit is given to help us obey the commandments. It’s why its conditional

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another[e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Where do we know God’s commandments? From God’s Word. God personally wrote them on stone Exo 20 and then placed them in our hearts Heb 8:10. When we go away from them our hearts are far from Jesus Mat 15:8

Abraham had no scripture yet had the word the seed , Christ in him

Galatians 3: 16. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
This verse does not say Abraham did not have scripture. Also, we are in a different place than Abraham - we have the privilege of having God’s Word that we are told it is to be the light to our path Psa 119:105. If one prefers to take another path, we have free will, but there are warnings God gives to us like Isa 8:20 because God loves us and wants us to take the narrow path back to reconciliation which His WOrd is our guide and the Holy Spirit leads us to obey His Word.
the true Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world John 1:9 KJV

Jesus said

John 3: 18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”

I share this , but I don’t know if younweill understand this great mystery of Christ.
This is a very powerful passage. John makes the clear distinction that believing in Jesus is related to our obedience to Him. Those who choose to do evil (sin) does not come to the light because their deeds are evil, but we are called to come to the truth (light) so our deeds can be exposed. This is what the Ten Commandments does- it shows us our sin just like a mirror. James 1:22-24 Rom 3:20 When we bury our sins (stay in darkness) we don't confess or forsake them and therefore God can't give us His mercy and grace and give us the power to help overcome. Proverbs 28:13 John 14:15-18 Those who seek God want to come to the Truth so Jesus can help us overcome our sins. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21

Anyway I don’t believe we understand the scriptures in the same way. I love God’s Word, it’s God’s love letter to His children, it’s the manual back to reconciliation. While we can’t understand it on our own we need the Holy Spirit to guide us, but the Holy Spirit is in harmony with God’s Word, not against. If we go outside of God’s Word, there is no light Isa 8:20 and I guess why some like to stay in darkness and why they choose not to have God’s Word as their guide when scripture tells us it should be. Psa 119:105

Take care. I wish you well in seeking Truth to God’s Word. I’ll leave it as agree to disagree
 
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Can you quote the scripture Text, because Jesus never condemned anyone for following the scriptures.
I wasn’t saying that Jesus was condemning anyone for “following” scriptures. The Pharisees (as many today) think they have eternal life in the scriptures , they think they know the way of life but they did not hear his word or have his word in their heart even thought they read the scriptures and heard him physically speak.

Consider this again, they read scripture but did not hear the word of God or hear Jesus word. Or have his word abiding in them.

John 5: 39. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.”

The scriptures are testifying of Jesus but they did not hear his word or the voice of the a Father inwardly so they did not hear the word.

Only those who have heard the voice of the Father inwardly and been taught by him can come unto Jesus.

John 6: 44. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

And yes, could have the Soirit if the Father speaking in them before the death of Christ (but not without that event in time).

Matthew 10: 20. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.”
Do you understand the Pharisees were not following God's law?
No man can keep the law in the flesh. The Pharisees read scripture commented on it thought they kept the law but all along many were of the devil and not of God. They did not hear the word of God even though they read scripture and read it aloud and heard Jesus speak in the natural. To hear the word of God you must have spiritual ears. As Abraham had without scripture.

And we read nowhere of scripture being written for Abraham or by him. To say it was or imply that is not according to truth. Many had no scripture and yet heard Gods word inwardly such as Abel, Noah, Abraham etc
They were following their own law in lieu of God's law this is what Jesus condemned.
They added to the law thier traditions but they did claim to follow even the most strict aspects of the law. You are somewhat mistaken here. Even Paul said he kept the law blameless and strictly before conversion. Although everyone outside of Christ broke the law and was already condemned unless they came to God in humility and faith.

But here is evidence that the religious people and Pharisees tried to keep the law and thought they did.

Luke 11: 42. But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”

Luke 18: 9. And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10. Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.”

Matthew 23: 23. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”

And Paul before conversion also thought he kept the law blameless but didn't

Philippians 3: 6. Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9. And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:”
Not for following the scriptures.
Only in Christ are we free and the can understand the scriptures. We follow the Spirit the letter kills the Spirit gives life. Then we use the scriptures aright not as a way of attaining righteousness by following an outward code or law to attain righteousness. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death.

2 Corinthians 3: 6. Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.@
I keep referencing Mat 15 and Mark 7. I highly suggest you read these chapters.

I’ll even leave it here for your reference….

Mat 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother,“Whatever profit you might have received from me isa gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father[a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
Yes the Pharisees added their own traditions but they also thought they kept the law and read scripture.

Like sone today who do similar and think they have eternal life by simply reading scripture and trying to follow the righteousness of the law.

The Spirit gives life and we are to walk in the Spirit in all things. Then the scriptures are seen and understood in a wondrous light and are profitable for doctrine correction etc.
Jesus did not condemn anyone for obeying God’s commandments.
No one could obey Gods commandments unless they were in the Spirit and love. For love fulfills the law.

John 7: 19. Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

And the law has a purpose then when we come to Christ they were no longer under the law. The law was a schoolmaster but then in Christ we are no longer under it.

Romans 3: 20. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”

Galatians 5: 18. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.”

He condemned them for obeying their own laws in lieu of God’s law. Jesus tells us not to follow their same path of disobedience Mat 5:19-20
They were condemned already for not believing in him. They were children of the devil.
May I pull in the whole context…….Paul is not teaching that we should not teach from the scriptures, thats not at all what he is saying….
I never said that Paul said we should not teach from scripture or use scripture all scripture is profitable.

Even the whole Mosaic law is done away for believers in its use to show sin (though we may still draw truth and lesson from it), it is abolished , done away a ministration of death and condemnation . I speak of the whole law especially the Ten Commandments written in stone. That would include the Sabbath .

Consider carefully this section

2 Corinthians 3: 7. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8. How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9. For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 12. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13. And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14. But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.”
 
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I wasn’t saying that Jesus was condemning anyone for “following” scriptures. The Pharisees (as many today) think they have eternal life in the scriptures , they think they know the way of life but they did not hear his word or have his word in their heart even thought they read the scriptures and heard him physically speak.
They weren't following the scriptures as already shown to you. Mat 15 Mark 7 They followed some of the scriptures, but have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.” Mat 23:23

What is judgement? What will everyone be judged by? James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 tells us. They had no mercy- they crucified Jesus not because Jesus wasn't following God's law, because Jesus was not following the laws of the Pharisees, their own man-made laws that they kept over the commandments of God Exo 20:6 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Jesus condemned them doing so keeping their laws over God's. Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 just like we do when we claim we don't have to keep God's commandments and replace it with our own version of righteousness, instead of trusting God Psa 119:172 How does one have faith in Jesus but not faith in His teachings to do them. This is what Jesus was condemning. Not that tithing is bad but doing it without faith means nothing and not to omit the weightier matters. We are not saved by listening to some of God's Word- by faith we are live by them all Mat 4:4
Consider this again, they read scripture but did not hear the word of God or hear Jesus word. Or have his word abiding in them.

John 5: 39. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.”

The scriptures are testifying of Jesus but they did not hear his word or the voice of the a Father inwardly so they did not hear the word.

Only those who have heard the voice of the Father inwardly and been taught by him can come unto Jesus.

John 6: 44. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

And yes, could have the Soirit if the Father speaking in them before the death of Christ (but not without that event in time).

Matthew 10: 20. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.”

No man can keep the law in the flesh. The Pharisees read scripture commented on it thought they kept the law but all along many were of the devil and not of God. They did not hear the word of God even though they read scripture and read it aloud and heard Jesus speak in the natural. To hear the word of God you must have spiritual ears. As Abraham had without scripture.

And we read nowhere of scripture being written for Abraham or by him. To say it was or imply that is not according to truth. Many had no scripture and yet heard Gods word inwardly such as Abel, Noah, Abraham etc

They added to the law thier traditions but they did claim to follow even the most strict aspects of the law. You are somewhat mistaken here. Even Paul said he kept the law blameless and strictly before conversion. Although everyone outside of Christ broke the law and was already condemned unless they came to God in humility and faith.

But here is evidence that the religious people and Pharisees tried to keep the law and thought they did.

Luke 11: 42. But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”

Luke 18: 9. And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10. Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.”

Matthew 23: 23. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”

And Paul before conversion also thought he kept the law blameless but didn't

Philippians 3: 6. Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9. And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:”

Only in Christ are we free and the can understand the scriptures. We follow the Spirit the letter kills the Spirit gives life. Then we use the scriptures aright not as a way of attaining righteousness by following an outward code or law to attain righteousness. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death.

2 Corinthians 3: 6. Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.@

Yes the Pharisees added their own traditions but they also thought they kept the law and read scripture.

Like sone today who do similar and think they have eternal life by simply reading scripture and trying to follow the righteousness of the law.

The Spirit gives life and we are to walk in the Spirit in all things. Then the scriptures are seen and understood in a wondrous light and are profitable for doctrine correction etc.

No one could obey Gods commandments unless they were in the Spirit and love. For love fulfills the law.

John 7: 19. Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

And the law has a purpose then when we come to Christ they were no longer under the law. The law was a schoolmaster but then in Christ we are no longer under it.

Romans 3: 20. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”

Galatians 5: 18. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.”


They were condemned already for not believing in him. They were children of the devil.

I never said that Paul said we should not teach from scripture or use scripture all scripture is profitable.

Even the whole Mosaic law is done away for believers in its use to show sin (though we may still draw truth and lesson from it), it is abolished , done away a ministration of death and condemnation . I speak of the whole law especially the Ten Commandments written in stone. That would include the Sabbath .

Consider carefully this section

2 Corinthians 3: 7. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8. How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9. For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 12. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13. And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14. But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.”
No wonder why we have this warning 2 Peter 3:16 and warning for those who keep not the commandments but want to be teachers- just like the Pharisees. Its a dangerous place to be if we are to believe in Jesus and His teachings. Did Jesus teach the Ten Commandments ended and we can now vain His name, worship other gods, break His holy Sabbath day, covet, steal or break the least of these, no He taught and lived the law John 15:10 for our example to follow 1 John 2:6. He condemned the Pharisees for doing this, saying their hearts are far from Him and their worship was in vain and why Jesus warned not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 as it affects our status in heaven- least being lost Mat 5:20 Those who keep His commandments are blessed and can enter through the gates Rev 22:14 but outside (judgement) are the lawless (commandment breakers) Rev 22:15 just as scriptures teach Mat 5:18-30 James 2:10-12 Mat 7:23 1 John 2:3-6. We are not saved by keeping the law, we are saved by Jesus through faith but those who have Jesus live differently than those who don't Rev 14:12 John 14:15-18. They believe in His teachings and do them instead of being just hearers James 1:22

Believe what you want, but I would consider believing and living the teachings of Jesus. Many misunderstand Paul and pit his teachings against Jesus, but Paul was a servant of Christ Rom 1:1 and a servant is not greater than his master John 13:16- hence why he and the apostles kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44 decades after the cross, just as Jesus did Luke 4:16 because Christ's people do not just hear His Words, they live by them. Mat 4:4

Christ righteousness never changes Psa 119:142 so I would consider Christs Words to live by, instead of out of context Pauls. Only God can reverse His blessing, not man Num 23:20 and there is no scriptures in all of the Word of God saying we can break God's Ten Commandments- or the Sabbath. This is a teaching from another spirit that has deceived the whole world. Who teaches we can be saved in our sins when Jesus came to save us from sin Mat 1:21 and those who continue in sin there remains no more sacrifice Heb 10:26-30. Sin is breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 any one of the Ten Commandments James 2:10-12 Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30

Listen to Christ Words- He will only lead us on the narrow path to righteousness and reconciliation. This is what Christ in His own Words says if we keep His Sabbath that He said is made for everyone. Those who want to join themselves to Christ, to love His name and serve Him and want to do what is righteous instead of depending on our own righteousness instead of God's Psa 119:172. No wonder why ours is like filthy rags. Isaiah 64:6. Trust God and seek His righteousness.

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”


6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants

Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant


Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Just like many of the Jews, who Jesus called His people crucified Him, what do we do when we do not obey Him through love and faith?

Eze 22:26 Her priests have [a]violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

Isa 58:13

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

Then
you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”
 
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They weren't following the scriptures as already shown to you. Mat 15 Mark 7 They followed some of the scriptures,
So, as we see in scriptures abd as I said they thought they were following scripture. Wherever sone or all is not the pint you said they weren’t and did not define that. Even here you say they weren’t abd they were following sone. So this is your contradiction teaching.

Obviously the list Pharisees did not fulfill the intent of the law or have life. So all they did was in the flesh and no man can be justified by the law anyway as scripture shows.

All believers are in the law of the Soirit of life in Christ Jesus and the walk we have is in the Spirit. Yes, the spirit has given scripture to be profitable unto us abd the gospel is according by o the scriptures 1 Cor 15:2-4 abd notice in the gospel nothing else is added to the saving gospel, no Mosaic law, no sabbaths, no trying to keep the Ten Commandments as a way of righteousness for justification. No water baptism or foot was king of tithing if the OT, etc
but have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.” Mat 23:23

What is judgement? What will everyone be judged by? James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 tells us. They had no mercy- they crucified Jesus not because Jesus wasn't following God's law, because Jesus was not following the laws of the Pharisees, their own man-made laws that they kept over the commandments of God Exo 20:6 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Jesus condemned them doing so keeping their laws over God's.
Jesus did expose that they were adding thier traditions to cause errors but the reason they were condemned is because they believed not and their hearts were hardened. As scripture shows.
Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 just like we do when we claim we don't have to keep God's commandments and replace it with our own version of righteousness,
I do not replace anything with “my version” of righteousness. Jesus Christ is the righteousness of Gid and he alone could fulfill all things.

This is my belief “not my version” of righteousness .this is something you should read carefully.

Romans 10: 3. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)…10. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”
instead of trusting God Psa 119:172 How does one have faith in Jesus but not faith in His teachings to do them.
I never said we do not “do what Jesus said”. And, the law is not of faith, I through the law am dead to the law.

we are saved by grace through faith not of works or our own effort to keep the law. By the law is the knowledge of sin

Philippians 4: 13. I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.”

Jesus would say things like this, he would quote Moses and then say “but I say unto you”. Jesus commands in the New Testamebt not Moses commands, there is a difference. Jesus speaks a deeper spiritual intention in his words for all.

Matthew 5: 21. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22. But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”

And we read,

John 1: 17. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”

And consider these verses,

Galatians 3: 12. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 11. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 14. That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”

And if men could keep all the law and break none they could be justified but none could all have sinned only Jesus could fulfill all.

And the law is not made for a righteous man. So do you consider yourself righteous?

1 Timothy 1: 9. Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,”

Believers are made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus and walk in the Spirt.
This is what Jesus was condemning. Not that tithing is bad but doing it without faith means nothing and not to omit the weightier matters. We are not saved by listening to some of God's Word- by faith we are live by them all Mat 4:4
Jesus showed that they were legalistic straining at minute points if the law to try and justify themselves but they missed the spiritual meaning and weightier matters. And Tithing is only for the Jews of the OT under the law not for believers today.
No wonder why we have this warning 2 Peter 3:16 and warning for those who keep not the commandments but want to be teachers- just like the Pharisees. Its a dangerous place to be if we are to believe in Jesus and His teachings. Did Jesus teach the Ten Commandments ended and we can now vain His name, worship other gods, break His holy Sabbath day, covet, steal or break the least of these, no He taught and lived the law John 15:10 for our example to follow 1 John 2:6. He condemned the Pharisees for doing this, saying their hearts are far from Him and their worship was in vain and why Jesus warned not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 as it affects our status in heaven- least being lost Mat 5:20
Jesus was made under the law and the law was still imposed on the Jews they were under the bondage of the law until Christ accomplished all and made free all.

But we still in the love of God that is poured in our hearts by grace we edvteted unto through faith walk in the will and commands of Jesus. But we are not under the law of Moses. Only if we sun and walk I. The flesh again will the outward law convict us again . The law does not make you right it shows your wrong when you don’t keep it.
 
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They weren't following the scriptures as already shown to you. Mat 15 Mark 7 They followed some of the scriptures, but have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.” Mat 23:23

What is judgement? What will everyone be judged by? James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 tells us. They had no mercy- they crucified Jesus not because Jesus wasn't following God's law, because Jesus was not following the laws of the Pharisees, their own man-made laws that they kept over the commandments of God Exo 20:6 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Jesus condemned them doing so keeping their laws over God's. Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 just like we do when we claim we don't have to keep God's commandments and replace it with our own version of righteousness, instead of trusting God Psa 119:172 How does one have faith in Jesus but not faith in His teachings to do them. This is what Jesus was condemning. Not that tithing is bad but doing it without faith means nothing and not to omit the weightier matters. We are not saved by listening to some of God's Word- by faith we are live by them all Mat 4:4

No wonder why we have this warning 2 Peter 3:16 and warning for those who keep not the commandments but want to be teachers- just like the Pharisees. Its a dangerous place to be if we are to believe in Jesus and His teachings. Did Jesus teach the Ten Commandments ended and we can now vain His name, worship other gods, break His holy Sabbath day, covet, steal or break the least of these, no He taught and lived the law John 15:10 for our example to follow 1 John 2:6. He condemned the Pharisees for doing this, saying their hearts are far from Him and their worship was in vain and why Jesus warned not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 as it affects our status in heaven- least being lost Mat 5:20 Those who keep His commandments are blessed and can enter through the gates Rev 22:14 but outside (judgement) are the lawless (commandment breakers) Rev 22:15 just as scriptures teach Mat 5:18-30 James 2:10-12 Mat 7:23 1 John 2:3-6. We are not saved by keeping the law, we are saved by Jesus through faith but those who have Jesus live differently than those who don't Rev 14:12 John 14:15-18. They believe in His teachings and do them instead of being just hearers James 1:22
Doing Jesus will as God works in believers to make us perfect in every good work through Jesus Christ (Hebrews 13:20,21KJV) is far different than trying to attain righteousness by keeping outward ordinances or in the flesh .
Believe what you want, but I would consider believing and living the teachings of Jesus. Many misunderstand Paul and pit his teachings against Jesus,
I never do this. And Jesus was made under the law. Many misunderstand Paul and want to keep trying to be under the law read Galatians 3 over and over again. Many believers in aPaul’s day were still struggling with the law and the temple and sacrifices (Acts 25, and Acts 21 etc) and Paul tried to show them the grace abs freedom Christ brought . The book of a Hebrews goes at length to show they are no longer under the law or sacrifices, sabbaths, tithing, etc.
but Paul was a servant of Christ Rom 1:1 and a servant is not greater than his master John 13:16- hence why he and the apostles kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44
No, the many thousands of Jewish believers were still struggling to come out of the temple system and the Old Vovenabt that was fading away and ready to vanish and they were in a time of reformation (Hebrews 9) and transition. The many believing Jewish people , thousands of them in Acts 21 were still going to the temple and trying to keep the law of Moses and the customs and still animal sacrificing even though these things were done away. They also would have tried to keep the sabbath as part of the OT law, you greatly are mistaken here.
decades after the cross, just as Jesus did Luke 4:16 because Christ's people do not just hear His Words, they live by them. Mat 4:4
Read Acts 21 about this and the the entire book of Hebrews and Galatians

Galatians 3: 2. This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4. Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6. Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
Christ righteousness never changes Psa 119:142 so I would consider Christs Words to live by, instead of out of context Pauls. Only God can reverse His blessing, not man Num 23:20 and there is no scriptures in all of the Word of God saying we can break God's Ten Commandments- or the Sabbath.
The law does it’s purpose when exposing sin and leading men to Christ by faith then we are no longer under the schoolmaster.

And as I showed in2 Cor 3 clearly Paul says the law written in stones (Ten Commandments including the sabbath) are done away abolished to thee believer as a way of righteousness he says the law is a ministration of death , read it again in prayer
This is a teaching from another spirit that has deceived the whole world.
No the teaching I show is from the scripture clearly.

And I do not teach we are saved in our sin for when we are in Christ he cleansers us from all unrighteousness through faith , and walking in the Spirit is our path
 
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Jesus would say things like this, he would quote Moses and then say “but I say unto you”. Jesus commands in the New Testamebt not Moses commands, there is a difference. Jesus speaks a deeper spiritual intention in his words for all.

Matthew 5: 21. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22. But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”
When Jesus taught not to have anger in the heart, was He teaching we can commit literal murder (the letter) as long as we don't have anger in the heart? Is this your interpretation of the teachings of our Master? Or was He teaching if He helps change our thoughts from the inside out and our thoughts of anger becomes thoughts of love and compassion to our neighbor, then thou shalt not murder (the letter) would automatically be kept. This is what I believe He taught hence why He said not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 and if one is living by the spirit, the letter would automatically be kept. As also shown in Rom 8:4-8 Keeping the spirit of the law is greater than the letter, not lessor. If the letter is not kept, then for certain the spirit of the law is not. Those walking in the flesh (sin) cannot please God. Rom 8:7-8
abd notice in the gospel nothing else is added to the saving gospel, no Mosaic law, no sabbaths, no trying to keep the Ten Commandments as a way of righteousness for justification. No water baptism or foot was king of tithing if the OT, etc
We are saved by grace through faith. Eph 2:8 It's God's free gift to give that sadly many choose not to accept because they do not have faith in Jesus to believe in His every Word and to live by them Mat 4:4 which means believing the teaching of Jesus who taught us to keep the Ten Commandments saying if we break or teach others to break the least of these one would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30. God's faithful don't keep the commandments to be saved they are kept because one is saved because though Jesus and His righteousness all of God's commandments are kept through faith and love. 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Rom 3:31 Rev 14:12

And the law is not made for a righteous man. So do you consider yourself righteous?

1 Timothy 1: 9. Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,”
No I do not consider myself righteous. Someone who is righteous doesn't need a Savior and I very much need a Savior. Scriptures tells us that no one is righteous Rom 3:10 which is why we are to seek God and His righteousness, not our own.

God deems all of His commandments as righteous Psa 119:172 including His Sabbath Isa 56:1-6 which Jesus kept as our example to follow. 1 John 2:6

I can see why those who are seeking their own righteousness would not subject themselves to God's law. Paul tells us these are the lost Rom 8:7-8

I'm sure many who thought they were righteous and didn't need Christ's righteousness will say just as Jesus predicted

Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

Only for Jesus to say to them on that Great Day depart from Me, those who practice lawlessness Mat 7:23

So obviously either Jesus is mistaken and didn't mean what He says, that we can break the least of the commandments and we don't have to keep God's commandments in lieu of our own man-made rules and we can enter into the Kingdom of heaven not doing His commandments but as sinners never being changed by Christ. My faith is in Jesus, that He is not mistaken, but are those who take Paul's teaching out of context just as predicted in scripture

2 Peter 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

Because I believe Jesus saying depart from Me those who practice lawlessness is the path to destruction because Jesus says this over and over in scriptures, but do we have faith to hear Him and live by His Word?

This is what God's saints do (His saved) because they have been changed by Jesus and have His righteousness and followed His example.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

So we need the same faith of Jesus. Was Jesus too righteous to keep His own law or keep His own Sabbath. No. He was faithful and kept all of the commandments, taught them and told us to as well. John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Luke 4:16 Mat 2:27 Isa 56:1-6 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19

And as I showed in2 Cor 3 clearly Paul says the law written in stones (Ten Commandments including the sabbath) are done away abolished to thee believer as a way of righteousness he says the law is a ministration of death , read it again in prayer
I see why we have the warning in scripture for Paul's writings. The ministration of death is sin Rom Romans 6:23 Not the commandments which are holy, good and righteous Rom 7:12 All the Ten Commandments does is show us our sin Rom 3:20 Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4 so we are not depending on our righteous way of living but on God's Psa 119:172 which is everlasting Psa 119:142

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
But we are not under the law of Moses.
The Ten Commandments is not the law of Moses, the law of Moses was written by Moses placed outside the ark of the Covenant.

The Ten Commandments is the law of God- He calls them "My" (God) commandments Exo 20:6 and "My Covenant" Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 and they were personally written and spoken by God alone placed inside the ark Exo 40:20 under God's mercy seat. I would not want to remove any law that is under God's mercy seat because any sin that we cover- we will not prosper Pro 28:13 There is greater Authority than God, which is who I serve. Jesus taught and lived by them and one of the last scriptures before the Revelation of Jesus Christ which correlates with Mat 7:23 and 1 John 2:3-6 as the law Jesus is referring to.


Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside (Judgement) are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or breaking any of them James 2:10-12).

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

I'm going to sign off because I don't believe either of us is going to change our positions anytime soon. I will keep you in my prayers and wish you well in seeking Truth to God's Word.

This is God's Truth- we need the whole Truth to set us free.

Jesus is the Truth John 14:6
His Word is the Truth John 17:17
All of His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151

Not everyone wants to come to the Truth because they prefer darkness John 3:19-21 but those who seek Gods Truth come to the light and are set free. Narrow is the way. Mat 7:13-14
 
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No I do not consider myself righteous.
Well, according to scripture all believers are made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus it is also called the righteousness of faith. As we tead

2 Corinthians 5: 21. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”

1 John 3: 7. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.”

And the law is not made for a righteous man this would mean for those who are made the righteousness of God through faith.

You misunderstand that verse in Timothy, where it says the law was not made for a righteous man . Obviously the next part says it was made for sinners etc. He makes a difference between the righteous there and the sinners or else that righteousness spoken of would be sin also (self righteousness) but the writer is not speaking of this.
 
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Well, according to scripture all believers are made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus it is also called the righteousness of faith. As we tead

2 Corinthians 5: 21. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”
Exactly, we need Christ righteousness, ours is as filthy rags. Jesus is the only one who knew no sin because He had no unrighteousness. If we have the right relationship with Him, which means hearing His voice, through His teachings such as Mat 15:3-14, Mark 7:7-13, Mat 5:19-30 etc we would not just hear His Words we would do them James 1:22, just as how Jesus lived as our example to follow 1 John 2:6
1 John 3: 7. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.”
You highlighted the end result, but forgot to highlight how one gets there.

he that doeth righteousness

Same thing Jesus taught

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
And the law is not made for a righteous man this would mean for those who are made the righteousness of God through faith.
Yes, those who deem themselves righteous does not subject themselves to God's law Rom 8:7-8 which as shown through the Words of Jesus is not going to work out so well Mat 7:23

We are not justified by the law, we are justified by faith. Those with faith do not make void the law but establish it Rom 3:31 because they hear His voice and follow Him (through His teachings) and He knows them 1 John 2:3

You misunderstand that verse in Timothy, where it says the law was not made for a righteous man . Obviously the next part says it was made for sinners etc. He makes a difference between the righteous there and the sinners or else that righteousness spoken of would be sin also (self righteousness) but the writer is not speaking of this.
The law is made for the unrighteous and sinners and scripture says everyone is unrighteous and has sinned, which is why the law is made for everyone, because we need to depend on God's righteousness Psa 119:172 which is everlasting Psa 119:142 , and not depend on our own which is what we do when we reject God's law. Those who don't need God's law don't need grace and those who don't need grace don't need Jesus. So I very much need God's law because I need His righteousness because I have zero on my own, which is why I need a Savior. I know if I have the right relationship with Him which means believing His Word and doing it, He will impute His righteousness to me and if I have Christ in me, I would not be sinning because Christ never sinned. If I see sin ,which is breaking God's law its best to go directly to Him and confess and pray for His , mercy, grace and sanctification. Because we are to not only confess our sins but need to forsake them Pro 28:13 and we can only do that though the power of Jesus Christ where we can overcome sin just as He did. But if we reject His law, well that's not the path. Rom 8:7-8 Mat 5:19 Mat 7:21 Rev 22:14-15
 
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Exactly, we need Christ righteousness
But remember you said you are not righteous .when The scripture says the law is not made for a righteous man but for sinners. The righteousness spoken of there is in Christ righteousness where we are now considered the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

But you said you were not righteous. Do you see the confusion and trouble here?

So we are not under the law and it is not made for those who are in Christ righteousness. It is for sinners for by the law is the knowledge of sin. And yes the Ten Commandments were also part of the law abd I believe written and put with the other laws.

But all believers are not without law to God we walk in the law of the Spirit in Christ Jesus. We are not subject to carnal ordinances in the faith as the OT saints were. They were under a kind of bondage.

Also the law is not of faith. As scripture shows and the law made nothing perfect and it is called a ministration of death and condemnation. And it is said to be done away and abolished in 2 Cor. 3 as I showed you. It also clearly, clearly (to those who have eyes to see ) says that the sabbath (part of the law written in stone) was done away.

But sadly as Paul showed then when reading the Old Testament many do not see this the blindness was in the heart.
, ours is as filthy rags. Jesus is the only one who knew no sin because He had no unrighteousness.
That’s right so only he could keep the law and he condemned sin in the flesh that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
If we have the right relationship with Him, which means hearing His voice, through His teachings such as Mat 15:3-14, Mark 7:7-13, Mat 5:19-30 etc we would not just hear His Words we would do them James 1:22, just as how Jesus lived as our example to follow 1 John 2:6
Again all true believers walk in the Spirit and we are aware that the letter kills but the Spirit gives life.
You highlighted the end result, but forgot to highlight how one gets there.
I highlighted it to show that believers are righteous and you said you were not righteous.

Also we only get there by grace through faith abdf as we abide in Christ walking in the Spirit.

It is Gid which worketh in us both to will and to do and to make us perfect unto EVERY good work. These works are not the works of the Old a covenant law of Moses or circumcision or sacrifice of animals or sabbaths but spiritual works in the kingdom.

As we read in scripture,

Galatians 5: 18. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20. Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21. Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23. Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.”

Romans 14: 17. For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.”
he that doeth righteousness
I can do all things through Christ abd ,

Hebrews 13: 20. Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21. Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
The law is made for the unrighteous and sinners and scripture says everyone is unrighteous and has sinned, which is why the law is made for everyone, because we need to depend on God's righteousness Psa 119:172 which is everlasting Psa 119:142 , and not depend on our own which is what we do when we reject God's law. Those who don't need God's law don't need grace and those who don't need grace don't need Jesus. So I very much need God's law because I need His righteousness because I have zero on my own, which is why I need a Savior. I know if I have the right relationship with Him which means believing His Word and doing it, He will impute His righteousness to me and if I have Christ in me, I would not be sinning because Christ never sinned. If I see sin ,which is breaking God's law its best to go directly to Him and confess and pray for His , mercy, grace and sanctification. Because we are to not only confess our sins but need to forsake them Pro 28:13 and we can only do that though the power of Jesus Christ where we can overcome sin just as He did. But if we reject His law, well that's not the path. Rom 8:7-8 Mat 5:19 Mat 7:21 Rev 22:14-15
There is a difference between the law if the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and the law of sin and death (Romans 8)

And we read that the law is ended for the righteous (the mosaic law specifically and the old covenant), abd there is a proper use of it now which is to show sun and yes, there are many lessons and things to see from it and learn. But sone use it wrongly and try to twist and bring men under the bong are again acting like those who do not “do” the ordinances abd outward laws of the ot are wrong and not in grace. But the grace of God is not the same as now adding to grace the works of the law. Read Galatians chapter 1-3

1 Timothy 1: 5. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6. From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7. Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9. Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10. For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.”

Romans 10: 3. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7. Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8. But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;”
 
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But remember you said you are not righteous .when The scripture says the law is not made for a righteous man but for sinners. The righteousness spoken if there is in Christ righteousness where we are now considered the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

But you said you were not righteous. Do you see the confusion and trouble here?

So we are not under the law and it is not made for those who are in Christ righteousness. It is for sinners for by the law is the knowledge of sin. And yes the Ten Commandments were also part of the law abd I believe written and put with the other laws.

But all believers are not without law to God we walk in the law of the Spirit in Christ Jesus. We are not subject to carnal ordinances in the faith as the OT saints were. They were under a kind of bondage.

Also the law is not of faith. As scripture shows and the law made nothing perfect and it is called a ministration of death and condemnation. Abd it is said to be done away and abolished in 2 Cor. 3 as I showed you. It also clearly, clearly (to those who have eyes to see ) says that the sabbath (part of the law written in stone) was done away.

But sadly as Paul showed then when reading the Old Testament many do not see this the blindness was in the heart.

That’s right so only he could keep the law and he condemned sin in the flesh that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.

Again all true believers walk in the Spirit and we are aware that the letter kills but the Spirit gives life.

I highlighted it to show that believers are righteous and you said you were not righteous.

Also we only get there by grace through faith abdf as we abide in Christ walking in the Spirit.

It is Hod which worketh in us both to will and to do and to make us perfect unto EVERY good work. These works are not the works of the Old a covenant law of Moses or circumcision or sacrifice of animals or sabbaths but spiritual works in the kingdom.

As we read in scripture,

Galatians 5: 18. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20. Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21. Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23. Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.”

Romans 14: 17. For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.”

I can do all things through Christ abd ,

Hebrews 13: 20. Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21. Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

There is a difference between the law if the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and the law of sin and death (Romans 8)

And we read that the law is ended for the righteous (the mosaic law specifically and the old covenant), abd there is a proper use of it now which is to show sun and yes, there are many lessons and things to see from it and learn. But sone use it wrongly and try to twist and bring men under the bong are again acting like those who do not “do” the ordinances abd outward laws of the ot are wrong and not in grace. But the grace of God is not the same as now adding to grace the works of the law. Read Galatians chapter 1-3

1 Timothy 1: 5. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6. From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7. Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9. Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10. For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.”

Romans 10: 3. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7. Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8. But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;”
Well I can see why there is so much confusion on the law and why we have the warning of Paul when trying to make a case of lawlessness which is not what Paul taught 1 Cor 7:19 and definitely not what Jesus taught- far from it. Sin is lawlessness 1 John 3:4 and Paul is not teaching people its okay to sin, because that would lead one to the path of destruction, just as the scriptures predicted those who twist his words out of context 2 Peter 3:6

When Paul uses the term "under the law" it means under its condemnation, the wages of sin is death. Rom 6:23. The condemnation has not changed, Jesus just gave us another path to follow instead, but sadly many choose the bondage of sin instead of being free in Christ.

I find it sad so many people believe that if Christ lives in us we are now okay to worship other gods, bow to false images, vain His holy name, break His holy Sabbath day, murder, steal, covet or break the least of the commandments, when Jesus was so clear we can't without consequences (condemnation) Mat 5:19-20 Mat 7:23 Like living with His Spirit and Righteousness this is how Christ leads one to live. It's just a doctrine of another spirit we were warned about in the garden that we can disobey God and live. The very first lie in the Graden that the devil keeps using successfully.

Jesus wants us changed from the inside out, change thoughts of anger to compassion which means no more murder, remove lusts of the flesh, which would be no more adultery. When one is living with the Spirit, God's Ten Commandments would automatically be kept. This is what it means to keep the spirit of the law- it is greater than the letter and if we see ourselves breaking the letter and sinning 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 and not bringing that sin to the feet of Jesus to confess and forsake Pro 28:13, this is what we have to look forward to.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Mat 7: 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

There's another way which is what Paul is trying to teach, but as scripture tells us he is hard to understand so we must dig deeper and reconcile his writings and then reconciling them with Jesus because he was a servant of Christ, and a servant is never greater than their master. Christ is my Master- does He teach lawlessness, or does He teach that if we love Him we will keep His commandments and in doing so He will give us the Spirit of Truth and without the Spirit of the Spirit of Truth one is really lost. John 14:15-18 The Spirit resides in those who obey Him Acts 5:32 which is why the Holy Spirit pleads with us to hear His voice and come out of our rebellion to God Heb 3:7-8 which is sin and that separates us from God. Isa 59:2 When we have Christ in us we have His righteousness, and we no longer need a tutor (the law), because it is automatically being kept in Christ. One does not have Christ in them is we are perpetually breaking God's law and sinning; this is called living in the flesh and that makes one an enmity to Christ and can't please Him Rom 8:7-8

The law is a tutor to bring us to Christ until faith Gal 3:24 because the law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 sadly many people miss this step, they think they can just be in Christ without the tutor (keeping the law) but one is only fooling themselves. The law is our tutor to bring us to Christ util faith. What happens when faith comes? Does that mean we can now worship other gods or break the least of these commandments? Oh dear no! Faith does not void the law it establishes it. Rom 3:31 So now that we have the tutor, the law to bring us to Christ because it is perfect for converting the soul until faith and once, we have faith it established the law and once in Christ what does He do? Through our love to Him, He enables us to keep the law through His Spirit John 14:15-18 Just as Jesus kept John 15:10 our example 1 John 2:6

And because of our faith and love, which results in obedience and leads to righteousness Rom 6:16 we become one of His saints. Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

I would recommend looking at another translation of 1 Tim 1:5. One that reconciles with the rest of scripture if we don't understand what it means.

1 Tim 1:5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.


Guess we will have to agree to disagree. All gets sorted out soon enough. Take care.
 
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Well I can see why there is so much confusion on the law and why we have the warning of Paul when trying to make a case of lawlessness which is not what Paul taught 1 Cor 7:19 and definitely not what Jesus taught- far from it. Sin is lawlessness 1 John 3:4 and Paul is not teaching people its okay to sin, because that would lead one to the path of destruction, just as the scriptures predicted those who twist his words out of context 2 Peter 3:6

When Paul uses the term "under the law" it means under its condemnation, the wages of sin is death. Rom 6:23. The condemnation has not changed, Jesus just gave us another path to follow instead, but sadly many choose the bondage of sin instead of being free in Christ.

I find it sad so many people believe that if Christ lives in us we are now okay to worship other gods, bow to false images, vain His holy name, break His holy Sabbath day, murder, steal, covet or break the least of the commandments, when Jesus was so clear we can't without consequences (condemnation) Mat 5:19-20 Mat 7:23 Like living with His Spirit and Righteousness this is how Christ leads one to live. It's just a doctrine of another spirit we were warned about in the garden that we can disobey God and live. The very first lie in the Graden that the devil keeps using successfully.

Jesus wants us changed from the inside out, change thoughts of anger to compassion which means no more murder, remove lusts of the flesh, which would be no more adultery. When one is living with the Spirit, God's Ten Commandments would automatically be kept. This is what it means to keep the spirit of the law- it is greater than the letter and if we see ourselves breaking the letter and sinning 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 and not bringing that sin to the feet of Jesus to confess and forsake Pro 28:13, this is what we have to look forward to.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Mat 7: 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

There's another way which is what Paul is trying to teach, but as scripture tells us he is hard to understand so we must dig deeper and reconcile his writings and then reconciling them with Jesus because he was a servant of Christ, and a servant is never greater than their master. Christ is my Master- does He teach lawlessness, or does He teach that if we love Him we will keep His commandments and in doing so He will give us the Spirit of Truth and without the Spirit of the Spirit of Truth one is really lost. John 14:15-18 The Spirit resides in those who obey Him Acts 5:32 which is why the Holy Spirit pleads with us to hear His voice and come out of our rebellion to God Heb 3:7-8 which is sin and that separates us from God. Isa 59:2 When we have Christ in us we have His righteousness, and we no longer need a tutor (the law), because it is automatically being kept in Christ. One does not have Christ in them is we are perpetually breaking God's law and sinning; this is called living in the flesh and that makes one an enmity to Christ and can't please Him Rom 8:7-8

The law is a tutor to bring us to Christ until faith Gal 3:24 because the law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 sadly many people miss this step, they think they can just be in Christ without the tutor (keeping the law) but one is only fooling themselves. The law is our tutor to bring us to Christ util faith. What happens when faith comes? Does that mean we can now worship other gods or break the least of these commandments? Oh dear no! Faith does not void the law it establishes it. Rom 3:31 So now that we have the tutor, the law to bring us to Christ because it is perfect for converting the soul until faith and once, we have faith it established the law and once in Christ what does He do? Through our love to Him, He enables us to keep the law through His Spirit John 14:15-18 Just as Jesus kept John 15:10 our example 1 John 2:6

And because of our faith and love, which results in obedience and leads to righteousness Rom 6:16 we become one of His saints. Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

I would recommend looking at another translation of 1 Tim 1:5. One that reconciles with the rest of scripture if we don't understand what it means.

1 Tim 1:5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.


Guess we will have to agree to disagree. All gets sorted out soon enough. Take care.
It seems you totally misunderstand me and create a kind of straw man argument against what I share.

I never said believer should sin or have sone excuse to sin. I believe a believer can fall away from salvation and be damned if they die in an evil heart of unbelief (Hebrews 3:12 etc.

I do not say any should have no law. I showed already that we are not without law to God. True believers walk in the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

I think you misunderstand the old and new covenant and the differences.

The law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ while in unbelief. This law here refers to the Jews and the Mosaic law. But the Gentiles have the wirk of the law written in their heart also and this is working in all men. But when they are broken by the law or work of the law this is the first thing the light of Christ will do as He shines in them.
 
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It seems you totally misunderstand me and create a kind of straw man argument against what I share.

I never said believer should sin or have sone excuse to sin. I believe a believer can fall away from salvation and be damned if they die in an evil heart of unbelief (Hebrews 3:12 etc.
Unbelief and disobedience are interchangeable Heb 4:3 Heb 4:6 John 3:16-21
I do not say any should have no law. I showed already that we are not without law to God. True believers walk in the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

I think you misunderstand the old and new covenant and the differences.

The law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ while in unbelief. This law here refers to the Jews and the Mosaic law. But the Gentiles have the wirk of the law written in their heart also and this is working in all men. But when they are broken by the law or work of the law this is the first thing the light of Christ will do as He shines in them.
Perhaps I am not the one who misunderstands the New Covenant because God did not alter His Words, just as He promised He wouldn't Psa 89:34 and instead of deleting His law- He wrote His law on our hearts and minds Heb 8:10 and why New Covenant is based on better promises Heb 8:6, not better laws because you can't make something perfect more perfect Psa 19:7. So now instead of God's law written on stone, He writes them on our hearts and enables us to keep them if we don't rebel Rom 8:7-8. Its why Jesus taught when we keep our own laws in lieu of the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments are hearts are far from Him Mat 15:3-14 and why He tells us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments again quoting from the Ten Commandments and in doing so one would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30 because breaking one of the Ten is like breaking them all James 2:10-12 so obviously the Ten Commandments didn't go anywhere in the NC just as God promised and Jesus taught Mat 5:17-30 and lived John 15:10 because God does not break His Promises. It's a matter of faith if we believe and trust His teachings to live by them Mat 4:4
 
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When Paul uses the term "under the law" it means under its condemnation, the wages of sin is death. Rom 6:23.
Not quite. When Paul warned the believers in Galatians 3,5 about going back to the law or being under the law that law was circumcision making them a debtor to the whole law.

You greatly error here. I feel like so much of Paul’s warnings in this matter are for you it would take soo long to quote all the verses to correct you but here’s a few . But I don’t know if you cash seed it the veil can be in the heart as we read in 2 Cor. 3

You seem to avoid the 2 Corinthians 3 sections.

Galatians 3: 2. This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4. Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?”

Galatians 3: 10. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:”

Galatians 3: 19. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.”

Galatians 5: 3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”

Being under the law and under grace are different not one and the same.

Romans 6: 14. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.”
Unbelief and disobedience are interchangeable Heb 4:3 Heb 4:6 John 3:19-21

Perhaps I am not the one who misunderstands the New Covenant because God did not alter His Words, just as He promised He wouldn't Psa 89:34 and instead of deleting His law- He wrote His law on our hearts and minds Heb 8:10 and why New Covenant is based on better promises Heb 8:6, not better laws because you can't make something perfect more perfect Psa 19:7. So now instead of God's law written on stone, He writes them on our hearts and enables us to keep them if we don't rebel Rom 8:7-8. Its why Jesus taught when we keep our own laws in lieu of the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments are hearts are far from Him Mat 15:3-14 and why He tells us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments again quoting from the Ten Commandments and in doing so one would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30 because breaking one of the Ten is like breaking them all James 2:10-12 so obviously the Ten Commandments didn't go anywhere in the NC just as God promised and Jesus taught Mat 5:17-30 because God does not break His Promises. It's a matter of faith if we believe and trust His teachings to live by them Mat 4:4
the law has a purpose abd when Jesus was in earth he was made u see the law and the old covenant was still in effect.

But we read after he accomplished his work and rise again

Hebrews 8: 13. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”

Even when the writer wrote this the old covenant was still waxing old ready to vanish away but it lingered for a time as we see in Acts. Abs the time of reformation took time. God was being gracious for there were many things they could not bear yet

To tell them ahead of time that the temple would be no more that the law and priesthood would be changed that no more sacrifices no more sabbaths under the law no more dietary laws or customs or days etc were needed would have been too much to bear at that time but the Spirit would guide them into all truth.

We read of this transition in Hebrews 9

Hebrews 9: 8. The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9. Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10. Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.”

There were many shadows aand types in the OT

The Sabbath was also a shadow not the reality

We ask so read here where the believers in Jesus were still struggling with the law and even doing animal sacrifices sabbaths tithing having priesthood etc in error but God was graciously seeking to bring them to the fullness of truth.

Acts 21: 17. And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18. And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. 19. And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. 20. And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21. And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22. What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23. Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24. Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. 25. As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. 26. Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purifcation, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.”
 
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Unbelief and disobedience are interchangeable Heb 4:3 Heb 4:6 John 3:16-21

Perhaps I am not the one who misunderstands the New Covenant because God did not alter His Words, just as He promised He wouldn't Psa 89:34 and instead of deleting His law- He wrote His law on our hearts and minds Heb 8:10 and why New Covenant is based on better promises Heb 8:6, not better laws because you can't make something perfect more perfect Psa 19:7. So now instead of God's law written on stone, He writes them on our hearts and enables us to keep them if we don't rebel Rom 8:7-8. Its why Jesus taught when we keep our own laws in lieu of the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments are hearts are far from Him Mat 15:3-14 and why He tells us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments again quoting from the Ten Commandments and in doing so one would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30 because breaking one of the Ten is like breaking them all James 2:10-12 so obviously the Ten Commandments didn't go anywhere in the NC just as God promised and Jesus taught Mat 5:17-30 and lived John 15:10 because God does not break His Promises. It's a matter of faith if we believe and trust His teachings to live by them Mat 4:4
Read Galatians about ten times in prayer. They started in the Spirit by faith and received the Soirit and then they sought to add the works of the law to thier faith to be perfect and this was wrong. They may have said, like sone say that now that they have the Spirit they can keep them law and ordinances rightly.

Great error there. Paul said to them Christ should profit them nothing if so
 
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Unbelief and disobedience are interchangeable Heb 4:3 Heb 4:6 John 3:16-21

Perhaps I am not the one who misunderstands the New Covenant because God did not alter His Words, just as He promised He wouldn't Psa 89:34 and instead of deleting His law- He wrote His law on our hearts and minds Heb 8:10 and why New Covenant is based on better promises Heb 8:6, not better laws because you can't make something perfect more perfect Psa 19:7. So now instead of God's law written on stone, He writes them on our hearts and enables us to keep them if we don't rebel Rom 8:7-8. Its why Jesus taught when we keep our own laws in lieu of the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments are hearts are far from Him Mat 15:3-14 and why He tells us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments again quoting from the Ten Commandments and in doing so one would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30 because breaking one of the Ten is like breaking them all James 2:10-12 so obviously the Ten Commandments didn't go anywhere in the NC just as God promised and Jesus taught Mat 5:17-30 and lived John 15:10 because God does not break His Promises. It's a matter of faith if we believe and trust His teachings to live by them Mat 4:4
Yes God does write the law in our heart this is spiritual. We are not following an outward law or carnal ordinances or showdowns and types such as circumcision, sabbath , animal sacrifices, Levite priesthood, tithing, rituals etc
 
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