AND THE WORD OF THEIR TESTIMONY

jonojim1337 said:

So in Revelation we not only have the requirement for blood to overcome the devil, but also "the word of their testimony".

And in the gospels we have water and Spirit, or water and fire, as well as in Moses.

But how does "word of their testimony" become water, or vice versa?

A person will not testify, unless he is convinced, or convicted. Peter denied Christ three times, until he couldn't bear it.

The waters overcame him.

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Hey, for your post, it would be nice to have some verses here, so we may all study them in order to form a good response. Just saying, as a friend.

jonojim1337 said:

This is so basic I shouldn't need verses

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True, but when I post something about the Bible, I try to put verses in my post. @Kokavkrystallos posts verses in his studies, so does @Christsfreeservant

jonojim1337 said:

But I will give you this:

Matthew 26:75

And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

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Yeah, the word for chicken is a cuss word, as it also means a guy part. I remember that verse.

jonojim1337 said:

Some might think that Peter was a chicken for not daring to speak to a little girl. But I think we have to remember that Peter was the one with the most zeal. So God humbled him.

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It is good that God humbled Peter. Humility is a fruit of the Spirit, if I am not mistaken.

Galatians 5:22-23: “The Spirit produces love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, humility and self-control.”

Psalms 105:1-2
Give praise to the Lord, proclaim His name, make known among the nations what He has done.
Sing to Him, sing praise to Him. Tell of His wonderful acts.

Encourage others to the building of faith.

Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings
having our hearts sprinkled from a guilty conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

Water and Testament

jonojim1337 said:

So in Revelation we not only have the requirement for blood to overcome the devil, but also "the word of their testimony".

And in the gospels we have water and Spirit, or water and fire, as well as in Moses.

But how does "word of their testimony" become water, or vice versa?

A person will not testify, unless he is convinced, or convicted. Peter denied Christ three times, until he couldn't bear it.

The waters overcame him.

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We overcome Satan by proclaiming the facts about Christ. It must be spoken and spoken often.

Jesus is Lord is the fact.
Jesus has overcome the Devil is a fact.
The word of our testimony is not to argue with Satan but to proclaim the truthful facts about Christ.

We are crucified with Christ - this is another fact.
That we were buried with Christ and raised with Christ - more facts.
The word of our testimony is beyond theological reasoning with the accuser. But to proclaim the truths as they are.
Facts come first. Feeling and experience often follow the proclamation of the truth of the gospel.

We should tell Satan often that his miserable destiny is the lake of fire forever. This is a FACT.
Christ has totally defeated Satan - FACT of this universe we preach to Satan and his hosts.
We believe. Therefore we SPEAK. We speak and praise our way into the kingdom.

And having the same spirit of faith according to that which is written, “I believed, therefore I spoke,” we also believe, therefore we also speak, (2 Cor. 4:13)

I would like to share a scripture song on Revelation 12:10,11.

Floodwaters are seen in Matthew chapter 7.

Kokavkrystallos said:

How about Ephesians 5:25-26,
"Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,"

Water & Word.

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I like to sing that verse too. Easy to learn. Sing along.

Paul died daily. Did he overcome by the blood and the word of his testimony? He carried death in his body. Was it the shadow of death perhaps? He didn't love his life unto death every day? He walked the valley of the shadow in psalms 23?

jonojim1337 said:

Hold up guys, you're not getting the point.

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jonojim1337 said:

Peter, despite his zeal, was not able to procliam the word or testify.

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We've been feeding off of his boldness in his messages and epistles for some 20 centuries.

jonojim1337 said:

Not until God convicted him. This is the water of life. Water was present during his act of creation, and also when he cleansed the world of sin and sinful natures. While the Word is the truth and true God, when we experience his holiness, even so much as a crumb, we have the opportunity to have our sins forgiven.

When the woman met Jesus at the well, she met only conviction. She will not thirst again.

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How would you make the point you have with somewhat less allegorical references?
Is that possible for you?

I mean with (for the moment) less reference to water or even blood, how could you communicate your point ?