Zionism = a form of racism?

[alexsonofmatthew]

Zionism is fascism

 

[Zeek]

Zionism is fascism

These days 'Zionism' is mainly a word that is used by all those that support the nation of Israel, and their right to live within secure borders.

 

[Zeek]

Hi simon,

The covenant of land given unto Abraham was to his descendants. It was not to the tribes of Judah, only.


So didn't Abraham have two children, Isaaq and Ishmael? So who would be the descendents of Ishmael? are they also entitled to that same lands?

If you read a little further in the biblical account, you will notice that the land covenant was specifically to the Jewish people descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Those descended from Ishmael were also blessed, but their inheritance was not the land of Israel.

 

[A New Dawn]

So didn't Abraham have two children, Isaaq and Ishmael? So who would be the descendents of Ishmael? are they also entitled to that same lands?

In Genesis 21, Abraham had Hagar and Ishmael leave because God told him that it was through Isaac's seed that His promises would flow.

Gen 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

God did make other promises for Ishmael's seed, but they were not the same promises He made for Isaac's seed.

Gen 21:13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.

 

[terryjohn]

I was reading that zionism was purely a nationalistic political movement which religious jews had no time for?

 

[KayJoy]

Hi Creech,

Yes, but you do understand from the Scriptures that the world, as a whole, is the dominion of Satan. When you speak of the various international treaties and organizations and world governments you are speaking of predominantly godless entities. Why would you even think to imagine that they would support anything of God? Now, I don't have any idea where you stand in your relationship with the one true and living God, but to put the treaties of men and governments over the covenants of God wouldn't reflect a very godly nature, to me.

According to the covenant of land that God gave unto Abraham and his descendants the land that belongs to Israel is much greater than what they now have. Israel wants the West Bank and the Gaza strip and these are pieces of their land according to that covenant. When the UN gave Israel its statehood it held out these two pieces of land from their inheritance. That's like the UN giving North Korea the state of Virginia. It would give a nation that we know to be very unfriendly to us a position from which they could strike us within seconds. Not having possession of the West Bank puts Israel in a very, very precarious position with its enemy neighbors. It effectively divides the nation and squeezes the piece of land that joins the two larger parts into just a matter of a few miles. Here's a map for you:

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Moreover, the West Bank land allows Israel some defense against the aggressor nations that surround it because it is higher land.

However, you are grossly mistaken in your claim that Israel has been an aggressor nation. We had 4 jet airplanes hijacked that struck a few buildings in the US and brought about wars in the middle east against those that we believe are responsible for that act. Does that mean that you hold the US as also an aggressor nation? Nations have the right to protect their borders and to take reactive measures against any other nation or people that infringe on their borders. That is all Israel has done.

Maybe you're young and don't remember the days when Palestinians were sending women and men with bombs strapped to their backs or cars loaded down with explosives into their cities nearly every day. Because of Israel's 'aggression' much of that has stopped. Friend, you'll never go wrong if you go with God, but you'll most certainly always go wrong if you side with the godless.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

AMEN!!

 

[KayJoy]

I think, actually, that "Zionism" as a movement isn't anything to do with the true chosen people of God. In my experience, there are people who believe they are from the "lost tribes" ....or that they are part of the tribes that were dispersed, and therefore, deserve to possess the land, or that they are the true Jews.

I say this, because I came out of a church that was ascribing to the "British-Israel" movement.... and it is extremely racist and white supremacist in mindset.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

These days 'Zionism' is mainly a word that is used by all those that support the nation of Israel, and their right to live within secure borders.

I was reading that zionism was purely a nationalistic political movement which religious jews had no time for?

Agree with both of those definitions.

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[Froesler]

If there's something in ''christianity'' I don't agree with are the so called Zionist ''Christians''.

 

[SistrNChrist]

If there's something in ''christianity'' I don't agree with are the so called Zionist ''Christians''.

Why?? I personally do support the rights of the Jewish people to possess the land of Israel, because as other posters here have pointed out, that land was the divine inheritance given to the children of Isaac, not Ishmael's seed.

 

[Froesler]

Why?? I personally do support the rights of the Jewish people to possess the land of Israel, because as other posters here have pointed out, that land was the divine inheritance given to the children of Isaac, not Ishmael's seed.

The Church is the new Israel. God does not see any difference between jews and other non-christians. As jewish people are not christians, I don't understand why do we need to support their cause.

We need to love them as humans, that's it.

 

[A New Dawn]

The Church is the new Israel. God does not see any difference between jews and other non-christians. As jewish people are not christians, I don't understand why do we need to support their cause.

We need to love them as humans, that's it.

God made a covenant with the Jews. The gentiles become children by adoption into that covenant. I don't believe that God breaks his word, and if he did, what makes you think he would keep it with us after breaking it with them?

 

[SistrNChrist]

The Church is the new Israel. God does not see any difference between jews and other non-christians. As jewish people are not christians, I don't understand why do we need to support their cause.

We need to love them as humans, that's it.

That's replacement theology you're using there, and it's not supported biblically that the covenant God made with Israel has now been transferred over to the church. While God did make a separate covenant with the Gentile believers, the covenant He made regarding Israel applies today just like it did when He first made that promise. After all, to suggest God would go back on his word or suddenly decide to break His covenant with Israel is ascribing attributes to Him which He does not possess, and that's a violation of "Do not take the Lord's name in vain."

 

[nick garai]

Why do some people equate Zionism is a form of racism? Why do they wish that Israel exists or at least believe the Jews don't have the right to have a nation of their own? I personally don't agree with this mind you. It is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy and I don't believe that the Arab Palestinians are like the Native Americans, whose land was truly stolen from them.

Some people are the Islamic world showing anti-Semitism. Israel is taking steps to protect herself from Middle Eastern aggressive policies. Hamas will continue to attack Israel if Israel does not ensure there are blockades against Palestine. The Islamic world does not accept the blockade from Israel and accuse Israel of Nazi-like racism. What a load of hooey!

Islam has been preaching the destruction of Israel for a long time now with their mantra "Send all the Jews into the sea!". It is just anti-Semitism the same as what existed just before World War 2. It is the Islamic community wanting the get rid of the Jews because it is ordained in their unholy Quran that all Christians and Jews should be killed in the name of their false god Allah by the command of their false prophet Mohammed. It is nothing new. It is all old news.

 

[laternonjuror]

Why do some people equate Zionism is a form of racism? Why do they wish that Israel exists or at least believe the Jews don't have the right to have a nation of their own? I personally don't agree with this mind you. It is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy and I don't believe that the Arab Palestinians are like the Native Americans, whose land was truly stolen from them.

The problem with the Israelis is that they want Arab Land and are prepared to go to any length to get it!
The original idea was for the Arabs and the Jews to share Palestine, The Arabs being the majority were to share their land in a single but Arab dominated state. The Jewish people first attacked the British Army by terrorist methods then wanted a bigger share of the Cake given out by the UN. Since then they pushed and extended their ,'share,'far beyond reasonable behaviour, or expectation.
Christians should call for a return to the 1965 Borders and a guarantee should be made of security for both sides.

 

[A New Dawn]

The problem with the Israelis is that they want Arab Land and are prepared to go to any length to get it!
The original idea was for the Arabs and the Jews to share Palestine, The Arabs being the majority were to share their land in a single but Arab dominated state. The Jewish people first attacked the British Army by terrorist methods then wanted a bigger share of the Cake given out by the UN. Since then they pushed and extended their ,'share,'far beyond reasonable behaviour, or expectation.

Oh, the mean Jews, who have a miniscule portion of the whole of the middle east. They should be ashamed of wanting anything. FWIW, almost immediately after the State of Israel was granted it's independence, they were attacked by 5 Arab nations. They have been doing nothing but defending themselves every since.

 

[Enahs4Him]

Wow, excellent post. I agree with your points for sure! You seem to be very knowledgeable miamited.

I also believe that Zionism isn't racism. The two aren't even related....whatsoever.

Also, Israel is not being aggressive. They have fought a war for the land they are "settling" and they aren't settling in Syria...

Plus, the land they are settling is considered part of the true Israeli nation state. This is simply the fulfillment of the scripture, that the nation of Israel will return to the face of the earth.

Blessings,

Brandon

Good post Brandon! I agree

 

[laternonjuror]

Oh, the mean Jews, who have a miniscule portion of the whole of the middle east. They should be ashamed of wanting anything. FWIW, almost immediately after the State of Israel was granted it's independence, they were attacked by 5 Arab nations. They have been doing nothing but defending themselves every since.

,'They, the Israelis,?' One of the best things to come out of this terrible situation is the fact that so many liberal, or socialist minded people have spoken up and objected to the monsters and their murderous policies who attacked,,' as you call it, the British Army even before the war against fascism was ended, bombs, shooting, asassinations and all for what was Arab Land. The Arabs have a right to defend themselves and obtain what land the Israeli's stole from them. The Zionists and war mongers amongst the population are in my opinion a disgrace to the,' Book', we all believe in.

 

[A New Dawn]

,'They, the Israelis,?' One of the best things to come out of this terrible situation is the fact that so many liberal, or socialist minded people have spoken up and objected to the monsters and their murderous policies who attacked,,' as you call it, the British Army even before the war against fascism was ended, bombs, shooting, asassinations and all for what was Arab Land. The Arabs have a right to defend themselves and obtain what land the Israeli's stole from them. The Zionists and war mongers amongst the population are in my opinion a disgrace to the,' Book', we all believe in.

Oh, please. It wasn't the Arab's land to have, except for the fact that they stole it from the Israelis sometime in the past. The fact of the matter is, Muslims would have the whole world if they could. They already have most of the middle east. The land that is Israel is nothing to the Muslims, except that they want to destroy the Jews, and everything that the Jews and Christians find holy.

 

[laternonjuror]

Oh, please. It wasn't the Arab's land to have, except for the fact that they stole it from the Israelis sometime in the past. The fact of the matter is, Muslims would have the whole world if they could. They already have most of the middle east. The land that is Israel is nothing to the Muslims, except that they want to destroy the Jews, and everything that the Jews and Christians find holy.

Rubbish, the attack on Israel by the five armies was a fiasco, but it took place about 12 months, after the Israelis took arab land.