Zimmerman Passed Lie Detector Test

[NightHawkeye]

This will help you.

 

[kermit]

And what question was he asked on the stand wherein he didn't tell the whole truth?

Obviously, the judge agrees with you which explains him revoking Z's bond.

There was no need to charge him with perjury as revoking the bond was the punishment. His wife was charged wth perjury and a hearing will determine her fate.

 

[stamperben]

You made a statement/question about perjury.

You then stated that the "truth" had come out.


My question was: "What truth?"

That Mach brought perjury into the discussion.
Sorry you missed that.

 

[NightHawkeye]

That Mach brought perjury into the discussion.
Sorry you missed that.

LOL ... so, that was your point about truth?

 

[Alexb]

Really? Let's review exactly what you said

They both lied. The only difference is that she lied to the court and he remained silent to the court. As a couple, they lied. By the recordings, it was clear that GeoZim was telling his wife exactly what to do with the funds they claimed they did not have.

We all know the game here so why continue? She lied to the court and he went back to prison for being involved in the lies. Twist the words any way you wish and you cannot change the fact that the Zimmerman's lied to the courts.

 

[cow451]

In other words, he didn't get charged with perjury because he didn't commit perjury.

They didn't need to charge him since the obvious consequence was a bond revocation.

 

[RedDead1981]

No, that didn't seem to help much at all

Sorry you didn't get it.

 

[RedDead1981]

Holy giant gifs, Batman! Totally didn't mean for it to be that big. Oi.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omission_(criminal_law)

Failure to act upon a duty or responsibility. It is your duty to tell the entire truth while under oath. With holding information while under oath is going against your legal duty and responsibility.

uhh what about that whole not being forced to incriminate oneself thing?

Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

I learned long ago to only answer the questions that are asked and the scope they were asked. Just because the prosecution did not ask a question like "What funds do you have access to and where did it come from?" then they have nothing to stand on. It is incumbent on the prosecution to pull out all the information to support their case. The defendent does not have a duty to shoot himself in the foot.

The defendant doesn't have to answer any questions. He is allowed to "sit there like a potted plant."

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

It is clear that she lied about the money she said they did not have. Another interesting note is claiming that Geo Zim was not arrested when he is in fact, back in jail. Do the police always hold people in prison without arresting them?

A necessary element of perjury is a specific false statement that she knew at the time was false.

What is that statement?

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Kind of like the affidavit against Zimmerman on the 2nd Degree murder charges

Yeah. He profiled a skulking around in the rain, and looking into people's houses as a criminal.

Interestingly enough, the investigator in this case got reassigned to traffic.

LOL.

 

[Touma]

uhh what about that whole not being forced to incriminate oneself thing?

Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BUT, neither one used that right. Therefore, it is assumed that they would have told the whole truth.

 

[MachZer0]

That Mach brought perjury into the discussion.
Sorry you missed that.

I didn't bring perjury into the discussion. that was done here:

Doesn't mean anything. Tricking lie detectors is incredibly easy. A quick Internet search gives you tips:

http://www.wikihow.com/Cheat-a-Polygraph-Test-(Lie-Detector)

Whatsmore, it's very easy for an innocent person to FAIL a polygraph test. It really doesn't test if you're lying so much as it does test you ability to withstand questioning...

The fact that he volunteered without legal council doesn't say much either - if you support him, you'll read it as him being responsive and cooperative (I have no idea WHY you would see it that way though since even if he were doing that, it's just to win points back for the perjury). If you don't support him, you see it as him knowing he could beat it and trying to give himself a leg up.

 

[MachZer0]

They both lied. The only difference is that she lied to the court and he remained silent to the court. As a couple, they lied. By the recordings, it was clear that GeoZim was telling his wife exactly what to do with the funds they claimed they did not have.

I thought you claimed you never said Zimmerman lied?

We all know the game here so why continue? She lied to the court and he went back to prison for being involved in the lies. Twist the words any way you wish and you cannot change the fact that the Zimmerman's lied to the courts.

And now you are reiterating that he lied to the court. Fine. Can you tell us the specific lie he told?

 

[MachZer0]

They didn't need to charge him since the obvious consequence was a bond revocation.

Are you advocating convictions without due process, because that's what it sounds like? Bond revocation is not a penalty for perjury. He will be entitled to another bond hearing and likely be released again.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Are you advocating convictions without due process, because that's what it sounds like? Bond revocation is not a penalty for perjury. He will be entitled to another bond hearing and likely be released again.

The point of bail is not to punish GZ. It's make sure that he shows up for court.

 

[MachZer0]

BUT, neither one used that right. Therefore, it is assumed that they would have told the whole truth.

Specifically, what did each of them say that was a lie?

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Specifically, what did each of them say that was a lie?

It's a case of selective outrage, and someone is interested in persecuting a law abiding citizen because he defended himself against a thug of a certain race after he tried to notify the police because said thug was out in the rain, looking into houses.

Notice how there's no outrage at the prosecutor for omitting facts.

 

[[serious]]

uhh what about that whole not being forced to incriminate oneself thing?

Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not sure how you can incriminate yourself in a bail hearing. Also don't quite buy that 5th amendment would ever be construed to allow one to omit assets at a bail hearing.