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Young Earth Vs. Old Earth

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by kw5kw, Nov 14, 2006.

As Christians we believe in Creation, but do you believe in:

  1. Young Earth Creation

  2. Old Earth Creation

  3. I'm not a Christian, therefore I believe in evolution.

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  1. kw5kw

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    There are those who take the story of creation very literal and make it an event that lasted six twenty-four hour days plus one twenty-four hour day for rest, and this happened just a tad over six thousand years ago.

    There are those who take the story of creation as allagory and make it a true event of actual creation but that it took a much longer span time. And, that the story of six days was given to the Hebrews, by God thru Moses, to enforce His Law for rest on the Sabbath.

    There are mysteries of the world that God has not ever divulged. Is this one of them?

    What say ye?

     
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  2. eladoni

    eladoni And the Brain.

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    I will first deal with the allegory vs. literal, and then the young earth/old earth controversy.

    I do not believe that genesis is an allegory for these reasons:

    The context as it is used within the new testament shows that adam was one man, not mankind:

    Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned—

    Also, in exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

    The hebrew word used in exodus 20:11 and in the creation narrative for "day" is the same word, (hebrew: "yom", yod, vav, mem) and refers to a 24 hour period. If you were to say that it was "periods" or some other length of time then a 24 hour period, you would not use "yom".

    It really comes down to faith. Do you believe what the bible says God did, he actually did. The only reason an allegory is necessary, is to try to reconcile the bible with what the evolutionists say about earth, and want to compromise. Infact, that is what all departure from the word of God intends to do, comprmise or ignore what the bible says to justify a different belief than what the bible teaches.

    This brings us to young earth/old earth.

    I admit, I do not have enough information gathered to offer a comprehensive opinion, but I do believe that the geneology's that the bible states are correct from faith.

    Evidence does strongly support a flood about 4000 years ago. This massive amount of water could cause the terrain features that we see today by erosion that at today's flow of water/wheathering would take millions of years to form. You see, if you have all that water from the flood, it is going to change the earth's surface. It is like a like water spigot dripping on a rock. It is going to wear it away, but very slowly. you see a small depression, and calculate how long that water was running by the current flow at that time. What people may not know, that was that they water was running full blast for a year before that. What would have taken the drip 20 years to do could have been done in 1 year with the water full blast.

    In short, science cannot prove or disprove a young/old earth age due to the fact that you cannot get correct data without knowing the wheather conditions through all of earth's life span.
    In my humble opinion, the earth is probably around 6000 years old.
    I base this off of my faith in the Bible and nothing else.

    The evidence that the bible is true can be found in the prophesies written down by men who claimed inspiration by God and that came true. Scientifically, it is a reasonable belief, but science purely will never have enough data to raise young earth/old earth theories to a law.
     
  3. KJVisTruth

    KJVisTruth HisInstructionsAreOurs,Ou rObstructionsAreHis

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    Genesis was real clear, on young earth creation and thats good enough for me. I do not think this is really a mystery.
     
  4. Tinker Grey

    Tinker Grey Wanderer Supporter

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    kw5kw,

    Your poll seems to deny that Christians can believe that evolution is how God did it.

    Was this intentional?

    Thanks,
    Tinker
     
  5. Tonks

    Tonks No longer here Supporter

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    100 blessings says it was.
     
  6. Zeena

    Zeena ..called to BE a Saint

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    And God said "Let there be Light"
    And it was so..
     
  7. Risen Tree

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    Loaded poll. Some Christians accept (the word is "accept," not "believe") evolution.

    Anyway, the closest option for me was OEC.
     
  8. a_ntv

    a_ntv Ens Liturgicum

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    Ummm I DO believe in evolution and I AM Christian....

    Is this 'Old Earth Creation' ?
     
  9. eladoni

    eladoni And the Brain.

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    It is impossible to accept creation, and evolution as the way God made the earth. They are mutually opposed to each other.

    Evolution relies on death by survival of the fittest to get to humans, that would mean that there was death before the fall of man, which the bible says is not the case. Therefore the bible and evolution cannot coexist, and evolution, as we know it, cannot be the way God created the world according to genesis. Belief in evolution would require you deny your whole christian faith to be constant in your position. Death before adam means death before sin. Death before sin means that death is not a consiquence of sin, therefore, Christ died for no purpose, and death did not enter through adam.
     
  10. Zeena

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    Praise God for His marvelous Light!!!
     
  11. kw5kw

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    Yes!
     
  12. a_ntv

    a_ntv Ens Liturgicum

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    Not at all. God have created also the evolution: He created the rules of evolution and His grace is giving the strenght to the wolrd to exist.

    Before Adam there was no the man....

    Before Adam there were only animals (including some monkeys): they died as today any animal dies: that is not a problem at all for any theology.
     
  13. kw5kw

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    NO
     
  14. reccanboy

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    Doesn't 1 John 5:16 make it quite clear that all sin does not lead to death?

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life for those who sin not leading to death."[/FONT]
     
  15. Mikecpking

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    The bible is 100% true and the the geological record shows clearly an old earth. It is not a question of 'which view is right', the answer is that Genesis speaks about 'why' creation was made, and science on the 'how'.

    There is no conflict for me. I would be happy to show YECs some geological sites which I have done field work in which show that the earth is truely old and cannot be explained by a single major flood event....
     
  16. pgp_protector

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    If there was no death before sin, how did Adam digest food ? Didn't the cells have to die ?
     
  17. Zeena

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    1 Corinthians 6:13
    Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
     
  18. Zeena

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    No Deficating In Heaven! :lol:!!!
     
  19. NikolaTesla

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    Actually the earth is neither 6,000 years old nor 4.2 billion. It is roughly 13,000 years old.
     
  20. stumpjumper

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