You must PROVE you LOVE the LORD to be saved!

[BCsenior]

@BCsenior I keep reading thru this thread, and I am still having a hard time getting where you are coming from. Do you believe you will stand before God, having proven your love for him by the merit of your own deeds? And you will be saved by those deeds of/by your merit?

Perhaps, this will answer your question ...

Many NT verses prove each of these spiritual truths:
Believers stay righteous by practicing righteousness
Believers stay righteous through their obedience
Believers faith must endure until the end of their lives
Believers keep salvation by repenting of their sins
Believers were chosen and called to live holy lives
Believers must love, forgive, not judge or condemn
Believers must be victorious overcomers

One full page of Scripture verses is available
for almost every one of the above topics.

BACs must decide what they are going to believe:
in their NT ...or... in their church's doctrines!

 

[BCsenior]

How do you explain how the thief on the cross was saved? He didn't go through any process, or live to obey any commands.

He was an exceptional case.
But, not so exceptional after all ...
the NT says to REPENT and be saved.
God is looking for the sincerely repentant heart,
which is an acceptable heart attitude before the Lord.
And it's the STRIVING towards righteousness
that counts! ... The thief on the cross had no
opportunity to do this, did he?

 

[BCsenior]

I think BC is on to something. Something very ancient, respected, Scriptural, and True. It's a good direction to go in.

Do you mean that ...
the NT Scriptures I put together are spiritual Truth?
I sure hope so.

All I'm ever trying to do is ...
to point out Scripture verses
that pastors don't teach on
and most BACs here don't believe on!

 

[Aldebaran]

He was an exceptional case.
But, not so exceptional after all ...
the NT says to REPENT and be saved.
God is looking for the sincerely repentant heart,
which is an acceptable heart attitude before the Lord.
And it's the STRIVING towards righteousness
that counts! ... The thief on the cross had no
opportunity to do this, did he?

What he didn't have was the opportunity to build upon the foundation of Christ, who is our salvation.
Read starting at 1 Corinthians 3:12 where Paul talks about how we start with a foundation that we build upon and how those works are either preserved or burned up depending on what they are, while at the same time the person is still saved. (1 Corinthians 3:15--"If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire")

 

[BCsenior]

Read starting at 1 Corinthians 3:12 ...

Start reading at ... any number of NT passages
where it is obvious that salvation is conditional.

BACs can lose their salvation via:
● being deceived
● habitual (unrepentant) sinning
● falling away from the faith
● being estranged from Christ
● falling from grace
● not inheriting the kingdom of God and Christ
● not being allowed into the New Jerusalem
● being blotted out of the Book of Life
● drawing back to perdition, etc.

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IMO, this resolves the conflict amongst all the NT verses
concerning eternal security, i.e. OSAS ...vs… NO OSAS:
True saving belief = enduring faith-trust-obedience
Those who “follow” Jesus “faithfully” are the BACs who
love Him enough to be “obedient” to His commandments!
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[Aldebaran]

Start reading at ... any number of NT passages
where it is obvious that salvation is conditional.

BACs can lose their salvation via:
● being deceived
● habitual (unrepentant) sinning
● falling away from the faith
● being estranged from Christ
● falling from grace
● not inheriting the kingdom of God and Christ
● not being allowed into the New Jerusalem
● being blotted out of the Book of Life
● drawing back to perdition, etc.

Noting that you completely ignored what I said, I'll point out that nearly all of the things you listed are results of rejecting Christ in the first place.

 

[BCsenior]

... nearly all of the things you listed are
results of rejecting Christ in the first place.

Total and absolute nonsense!
You simply refuse to accept MANY NT verses!

 

[Aldebaran]

Total and absolute nonsense!
You simply refuse to accept MANY NT verses!

This was not a list of NT verses:
● being deceived
● habitual (unrepentant) sinning
● falling away from the faith
● being estranged from Christ
● falling from grace
● not inheriting the kingdom of God and Christ
● not being allowed into the New Jerusalem
● being blotted out of the Book of Life
● drawing back to perdition, etc.

 

[BCsenior]

This was not a list of NT verses:
● being deceived
● habitual (unrepentant) sinning
● falling away from the faith
● being estranged from Christ
● falling from grace
● not inheriting the kingdom of God and Christ
● not being allowed into the New Jerusalem
● being blotted out of the Book of Life
● drawing back to perdition, etc.

Your right, it IS a list of what is in the NT.
Guaranteed.
If you'd like, I'll send you one to read.

 

[LostMarbels]

Perhaps, this will answer your question ...

I think a definitive yes or no might be a good starting point since I don't even know from what position you are arguing from.

" Do you believe you will stand before God, having proven your love for him by the merit of your own deeds? And you will be saved by those deeds of/by your merit? "

As an example: For me it is no for both. See? Now there is no question of where I stand or room for error and false judgement.

 

[Neogaia777]

I'm not trying (or setting out to be being, or trying), or to "prove" anything, to anyone... For one, I don't think that "it" or "that", is even possible, when it comes to God... So, I'm not setting out to try and/or prove anything to Him... And I'm most definitely not setting to prove anything, or prove myself, to people... (In fact I might have a problem with something quite the opposite with people sometimes, but that is one of my problems or faults or failings, and/but is a discussion for another time)...

But, if I am out to prove anything, to anyone, it is, and would only be, to myself, and myself only, and alone... And is that vanity or pride? It might be... but I just know that God put that in us, and that, "you'll never come up against a greater adversary than yourself and you own potential, my friend"... There is something in us, that makes us set out to prove things, even and especially, to ourselves, something God put there...

What do you want to prove to yourself...? Is it all vanity or in vain...? or is it all pride or ego...?

Right now, I'm out to prove I can Love, to myself... Not to them, and not to God even, but to myself...

(I'm not out to prove it to God, because I think that is pretty pointless and meaningless, and among other things and reasons, that are not quite the same as with man)... (not as if I am saying, "well, i'll do it all myself and prove to myself that I can (or can't) do it with or without you then, God" or anything like that, just that, in my view of God it is impossible to prove anything to Him)... (Not because I have any, "ANY" kind of hatred, or malice, hidden or otherwise, for God or anything like that at all, or bitterness toward Him or "whatever", and I want that clear)...

God Bless!

 

[BCsenior]

... I don't even know from what position you are arguing from.

Does this little verse give you a little clue?
John 14:15 ...
"If you love Me, obey My commandments."

You can start here to try to figure me out.

 

[LostMarbels]

Does this little verse give you a little clue?
John 14:15 ...
"If you love Me, obey My commandments."

You can start here to try to figure me out.

Are you saved by works? I just want to see a definitive answer so I'm not left implying something not intended. I do not want to imply your meaning. I do not agree with shades of gray. You are leaving your belief system up to my interpretation which is shifty sand at best.

I believe you are implying that one must love God to be saved, and legalistically obey all commandments.

The problem with that outlook, is the first time you failed in any, you failed in all. There is no going back once you have sinned against God. You are now a sinner and in defiance of God. The only means of renewal or redemption is thru repentance and salvation thru Christ. So salvation by works has never made any biblical sense to me. Because by the time you even realise you need Jesus, you have already blew it.

 

[Saint Steven]

Thanks, Gracia ...
the Lord wants people to see all of
these NT Scriptures that I post!
Their pastors don't show them,
so the Lord wants some of us to do it.
Then, the people are really responsible
for what they do with these verses!

Could you be any more presumptive?
I count five or six.

 

[Saint Steven]

Those who prefer their favorite verses
over the verses that I present ...
are in a serious difficulty because they are
ignoring and/or rejecting some NT verses!
They actually need to RECONCILE both
groups of verses ... both need to be believed.

Then we have the situation where ...
people are responsible for what they know!

I.E. all of the verses that I am showing them,
they are responsible for what they do with them!

I didn't know that condemnation was a spiritual gift.
I guess I learned something here. (not)

 

[Saint Steven]

Start reading at ... any number of NT passages
where it is obvious that salvation is conditional.

BACs can lose their salvation via:
● being deceived
● habitual (unrepentant) sinning
● falling away from the faith
● being estranged from Christ
● falling from grace
● not inheriting the kingdom of God and Christ
● not being allowed into the New Jerusalem
● being blotted out of the Book of Life
● drawing back to perdition, etc.

------------------------------------------------------------
IMO, this resolves the conflict amongst all the NT verses
concerning eternal security, i.e. OSAS ...vs… NO OSAS:
True saving belief = enduring faith-trust-obedience
Those who “follow” Jesus “faithfully” are the BACs who
love Him enough to be “obedient” to His commandments!
------------------------------------------------------------

Oh, I see.
Another anti-OSAS thread.

How can you lose what you never had in the first place?

 

[BCsenior]

There is no going back once you have sinned against God. You are now a sinner and in defiance of God. The only means of renewal or redemption is thru repentance and salvation thru Christ.

One "goes back" through sincere repentance!
The Lord God knows that we all sin ...
so He has made a way for us to "go back".
Simple.

 

[BCsenior]

Oh, I see.

No, you don't see!
You refuse to see all of the many dire warnings
in the NT about the possibility of losing salvation.

Da warnings wouldn't be there, if there was no danger.

 

[Aldebaran]

Your right, it IS a list of what is in the NT.
Guaranteed.
If you'd like, I'll send you one to read.

Problem with your statement is that it's the opposite of what I said. Did you do that to purposefully avoid addressing what I actually did say?

 

[Saint Steven]

You refuse to see all of the many dire warnings
in the NT about the possibility of losing salvation.

How can you lose something you never had in the first place?