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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by BCsenior, Mar 5, 2019.

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  1. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Do we need to abide (remain) in Christ in order to be saved?
     
  2. BNR32FAN

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    Actually we are called to judge members of the church according to 1 Corinthians but we are forbidden to say who is or isn’t going to Hell.
     
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    If you leave Christ were you ever in Christ?
     
  4. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    How can you leave somewhere you were never at? You really need to read John 15:1-10.

    “"I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.”
    ‭‭JOHN‬ ‭15:1-10‬ ‭NASB‬‬

    The Father cuts off branches who are “in Christ” that do not bear fruit.
     
  5. LoveGodsWord

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    Indeed but judging rightouess judgement is judgement accoring to God's Word. Judging your neighbore without cause we are warned against *ROMANS 2:1-8
     
  6. LoveGodsWord

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    Yep you can be *HEBREWS 6:4-8
     
  7. Danthemailman

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    That’s correct. We are saved by grace through faith, not works. Not by faith + obeying the 10 commandments, which we have ALL failed to perfectly obey 100% of the time.
     
  8. BNR32FAN

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    Paul is talking about being a hypocrite. He’s speaking about judging others while committing the same sin yourself.
     
  9. LoveGodsWord

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    OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8.

    Now we have the above out of the way did you wish to address the questions asked of you?

    How can you separate God's LAW from the cross when it is the law that leads us there?
    How can you separate faith and works when works is the fruit of faith?
    How can you separate love from Law when God's LAW is how love is expressed as a fruit of faith?

    Look forward to your reply.
     
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    There are many people who "play" church.

    Are you another who claims they can keep the commandments?
     
  12. -57

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    I've read it numerous times. So What?
     
  13. BNR32FAN

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    But we must abide in Christ correct? As I quoted in 1 John 3 no one who abides in Christ practices sin and John 15 anyone who abides in Christ WILL bear much fruit. A believer who practices sin is not abiding in Christ and is a son of disobedience and a person who does not bear fruit is not abiding in Christ and will be cast away to wither then cast in the fire to be burned.
     
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    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Who was Jesus speaking to in John 15? Was there anyone present who was “playing church”? Notice He says the word “you” about 15 times in this message. Who is the “you” He was referring to?
     
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    So, you can be snatched from the hand of the Father or Jesus? What a weak salvation you present.
     
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    Are you telling us you never sin?
     
  17. LoveGodsWord

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    Indeed. It is also about judging others as sinners when we are also *see also MATTHEW 7:1-5; JAMES 4:11-12; ROMANS 14:12-13 as only God knows the heart.
     
  18. LoveGodsWord

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    Not really...

    1 JOHN 2:1-4
    [1], My little children, these things write I to you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
    [2], And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
    [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    Hope this helps
     
  19. Danthemailman

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    Believers abide in Christ and do not practice sin (1 John 4:13; 1 John 3:9)
     
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