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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by BCsenior, Mar 5, 2019.

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  1. ace of hearts

    ace of hearts Well-Known Member

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    OK, I can agree with these. What I'm really asking is for things that may be outside of these lists such as what legalistic people tend to promote as sin. I just think there's much more to the issue than any of the lists you referenced.
     
  2. BCsenior

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    Sure, I wuz just tryin' to give Scripture.
     
  3. Neogaia777

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    Maybe those who continue in those things till the day they die, never maybe were His, ect...

    But it is up until the day you die, even deathbed confessions and repentance... Not saying we should be taking any kind of advantage of that, by any means, but, I have to believe it (especially Salvation) is a work of God and not ourselves, as to whether we ever are, or ever really were ever truly saved or not, which will produce the fruit in it's due season (repentance or obedience) if you ever really truly His, before you die sometime...

    But, "beware" lest we should judge one another or each other in this; for even this, is not so clear cut, there are way very much more and way many more "factors" that need to be considered and weighed in, in any truly just judgment...

    The most advanced computer we have, can't even handle all the calculations needed in any true, or truly just judgment, not even in one individual life, it's that complicated and complex...

    You saying you can...?

    God Bless!
     
  4. ace of hearts

    ace of hearts Well-Known Member

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    No problem for me with your Scripture. I'm just looking for more discussion. The thread isn't my presentation.
     
  5. FreeGrace2

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    :oldthumbsup:
     
  6. FreeGrace2

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    Scripture indicates that "whoever believes HAS (present possession) eternal life. John 5:24, 6:47

    Therefore, the gift of eternal life is given in a moment of time. We don't get the gift in small doses or chunks. We get all of it at once. That is the moment I speak of.

    That moment occurs when a person believes that Jesus is the Son of God, and has died for them, and gives them eternal life.

    This is called saving faith. It requires 2 aspects to be saving:
    1. requires an object. For saving faith, the object is Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
    2. requires a goal or purpose. For saving faith, the goal or purpose of faith in Christ is one's eternal salvation.

    And, yes, I'm aware of the repercussions of this. Do those who believe that their salvation can be lost really having saving faith in the first place?

    Scripture says that once given eternal life, the recipient shall never perish. John 10:28

    In order to believe that salvation can be lost, one must disagree with a lot of Scripture.
     
  7. BCsenior

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    I'm not judging anyone ...
    All I have ever been doing is warning
    ... via THE NT WARNING VERSES!

    BACs either take these verses into account
    or they choose to ignore and/or reject them!
    It's their choice!

    The way to RECONCILE them with the other verses:
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    IMO, this resolves the conflict amongst all the NT verses
    concerning eternal security, i.e. OSAS ...vs… NO OSAS:
    True saving belief = enduring faith-trust-obedience
    Those who “follow” Jesus “faithfully” are the BACs who
    love Him enough to be “obedient” to His commandments!

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  8. ace of hearts

    ace of hearts Well-Known Member

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    Only as long as they don't turn on Jesus for the world like Demas did.
     
  9. FreeGrace2

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    There's a 3rd choice here. Understand what they are actually warning about. Which you've been warned about.

    Actually, the only way to reconcile seemingly contrary verses is to take the most clear verses first, the ones that plainly state a position, and then figure out what the other less clear verses really mean.

    For example, Jesus taught that the gift of eternal life is possesses by believers (Jn 3:6, 5:24, 6:47). We know this is WHEN they believe because there are no verses that say otherwise.

    Then, Jesus taught that those possessing eternal life shall never perish (John 10:28).

    These 4 verses state these facts in plain, unambiguous and straightforward language.

    Given this fact, loss of salvation is simply impossible.

    The proof is in the pudding. Just check out any of the verses cited or quoted by BCSenior, and you will find that NONE of his verses says in direct, plain language that salvation can be lost. Such a meaning must be forced into the text, or a lot of presumptions must be made.
     
  10. FreeGrace2

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    Is this a condition for recipients of eternal life to meet in order to never perish?
     
  11. Aldebaran

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    Verses have also been presented to you from the NT, and you've been ignoring them. Again: Have you ever read 1 Cor 3:11-15? It doesn't really jive with what you're saying. Neither does John 3:14. Why haven't you addressed those when they've been shown to you?
     
  12. BCsenior

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    I've always been saying that there are some
    so-called eternal security (OSAS) verses in the NT.
    And ...
    I've always been saying that BACs had better
    RECONCILE them with the other dozens of verses
    that oppose them.

    Because it's by accepting ALL verses
    and by reconciling all of them ...
    that one is able to understand the Truth.

    See, pastors are responsible for doing this
    and then teaching the Truth to the sheep,
    but they have many reasons/excuses for failing!

    But, since you (the sheep) are all to lazy to do this
    ... y'all are stuck with sticking to your favorite verses,
    which Satan has deceived you with.

    So, how can I help y'all now? ... How?
     
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  13. Aldebaran

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    Actually, I have attempted to reconcile them. Granted, there are verses that say salvation can be lost, while others seem to say it can't. How do you personally reconcile the 2 that I showed you with the ones you've been quoting?
    BTW, when you say "BAC", it means Born Again Christian. It just so happened to be Jesus Himself who said that we must be born again.
     
  14. BCsenior

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    In general, the reconciliation is shown below.

    With the understanding that I have a page full
    of verses which proves each of the following:
    -- the necessity of ENDURING in the faith
    -- the necessity of OBEDIENCE
    -- the necessity of PRACTICING RIGHTEOUSNESS

    Might you be the first in the history of the world
    who actually desires to see such pages of delight?

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    IMO, this resolves the conflict amongst all the NT verses
    concerning eternal security, i.e. OSAS ...vs… NO OSAS:
    True saving belief = enduring faith-trust-obedience
    Those who “follow” Jesus “faithfully” are the BACs who
    love Him enough to be “obedient” to His commandments!

    ------------------------------------------------------------
     
  15. Aldebaran

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    That's not reconciling the verses I gave you.
    Again: 1 Cor 3:11-15 and John 3:14. I'll wait to see how you address them.
     
  16. BCsenior

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    I'm not running down rabbit holes chasing peoples'
    favorite verses ... until they stop ignoring
    and rejecting the verses in my OPs,
    and start addressing dem foist.
    Kapische?
     
  17. Aldebaran

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    I haven't rejected anything. I'm just asking you how the verses I've presented you with jive with your assertion that we have to prove we love God in order to be saved.
     
  18. ace of hearts

    ace of hearts Well-Known Member

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    Don' follow you here.
     
  19. BCsenior

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    Okay, this passage is referring to rewards.

    These BACs have NOT been disqualified as in:
    -- falling away from the faith
    -- being estranged from Christ
    -- falling from grace
    -- not allowed to enter the kingdom of God
    -- not allowed to enter the New Jerusalem
    -- not blotted out of the Book of Life, and etc.
    Do you recognize these NT verses of disqualification?

    These BACs have NOT been disqualified
    and are therefore eligible for gaining rewards.
     
  20. FreeGrace2

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    The truth is that NO verse opposes any other verse.

    Unfortunately, this poster won't accept the very plain truth of John 10:28. That recipients of eternal life shall never perish.
     
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